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No I wouldn't doubt a person's salvation, just their maturity and rootedness in Christ.
Dividing truth from lies is the meat. Some people don't even drink the milk (pure Gospel message of salvation by the finished work of Jesus on the cross and His resurrection and sending of the holy spirit that we may be born again children of God), so they have a hard time growing in Christ.
Dividing truth from lies is the meat. Some people don't even drink the milk (pure Gospel message of salvation by the finished work of Jesus on the cross and His resurrection and sending of the holy spirit that we may be born again children of God), so they have a hard time growing in Christ.
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Maybe there are actually more than two groups here.
I was approximating.
And some definitely deny they could ever walk like Jesus or even aspire to it.
A simple test is can you be 24hrs without sinning. Those that say no, do not
believe Jesus transforms them into His likeness in this world.
A few days ago such a point was discussed.
I was approximating.
And some definitely deny they could ever walk like Jesus or even aspire to it.
A simple test is can you be 24hrs without sinning. Those that say no, do not
believe Jesus transforms them into His likeness in this world.
A few days ago such a point was discussed.
Faith that God has a plan and they may be in the process of being saved for they have hearts yearning for God.
The Law is a taskmaster that leads people to Christ for they will eventually realize the need for a savior after they admit they are sinners who can't save themselves or keep themselves saved.
It is God who saves and God show keeps us and sanctifies us.
The Law is a taskmaster that leads people to Christ for they will eventually realize the need for a savior after they admit they are sinners who can't save themselves or keep themselves saved.
It is God who saves and God show keeps us and sanctifies us.
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Maybe there are actually more than two groups here.
I was approximating.
And some definitely deny they could ever walk like Jesus or even aspire to it.
A simple test is can you be 24hrs without sinning. Those that say no, do not
believe Jesus transforms them into His likeness in this world.
A few days ago such a point was discussed.
I was approximating.
And some definitely deny they could ever walk like Jesus or even aspire to it.
A simple test is can you be 24hrs without sinning. Those that say no, do not
believe Jesus transforms them into His likeness in this world.
A few days ago such a point was discussed.
He shows me missed opportunity to do good and how I allowed fear or pride to keep me from speaking or speaking harshly or rashly.
Sin is defined as falling short of the mark. In our ignorance or through our weakness we can fall short and sin daily.
However we are called to avoid intentional sins that flaunt God's grace so that God may be glorified in our thoughts, speech and actions.
The holy Spirit helps us do this daily and comforts us when we fall short (aka sin).
When we pray upon waking, we should ask God His plans for our day. When we lie down to rest, we should ask God to reveal and review our day. Just as you would with any loving parent.
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Sorry,,,this thread moves to fast.
OK. Thanks.
2 Timothy 2:12-13
12If we endure, we will also reign with Him;
If we deny Him, He also will deny us;
13If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
verse 12 says that if we endure, we will reign with Him.
Now the N.T. is full of verses about enduring till the end...Jesus Himself states this:
Mathew 24:13. Please note verse 10 just before that...Jesus says that many will fall away.
Fall away from what? THE FAITH. Jesus knows that some will fall away and He knows that some will not endure till the end...this is repeated by Paul many times and makes it clear that it can refer to the end times and can also refer to our saved state, since it's our faith that is being discussed.
verse 12 also states that if we deny Him,,,He also will deny us.
Paul is repeating something that Jesus said:
Mathew 10:33
33“But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.
Basically, if we deny Jesus...we are rejecting our salvation,,,we are denying our salvation because He is the path to the Father and to salvation.
verse 13 states that if we are faithless, He remains faithful because He cannot deny HIMSELF.
Looks like we have a contradiction here.
First we're told if we deny Him, He will deny US.
Then we're told that even if we lose our faith,,,He will remain faithful...
So what does this mean?
It means that God will always remain faithful to HIMSELF....
He made a pact with man and it was to give him a way to save himself.
God will alway remain faithful to that pact.
He will always remain faithful to his mercy.
He will always remain faithful to His justice and His love, etc.
God has a nature and He will forever remain faithful to that nature.
Which is bad news for those with no faith...
Because they will be lost since those with sin will not enter into heaven.
Revelation 21:27
The only way God will remain faithful to HIMSELF with those that have no faith, is to refuse them entrance into heaven.
You could check this out on your own.
The bible does NOT contradict itself.
Whenever you think there's a contradiction...the verses need to be studied.
OK. Thanks.
2 Timothy 2:12-13
12If we endure, we will also reign with Him;
If we deny Him, He also will deny us;
13If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
verse 12 says that if we endure, we will reign with Him.
Now the N.T. is full of verses about enduring till the end...Jesus Himself states this:
Mathew 24:13. Please note verse 10 just before that...Jesus says that many will fall away.
Fall away from what? THE FAITH. Jesus knows that some will fall away and He knows that some will not endure till the end...this is repeated by Paul many times and makes it clear that it can refer to the end times and can also refer to our saved state, since it's our faith that is being discussed.
verse 12 also states that if we deny Him,,,He also will deny us.
Paul is repeating something that Jesus said:
Mathew 10:33
33“But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.
Basically, if we deny Jesus...we are rejecting our salvation,,,we are denying our salvation because He is the path to the Father and to salvation.
verse 13 states that if we are faithless, He remains faithful because He cannot deny HIMSELF.
Looks like we have a contradiction here.
First we're told if we deny Him, He will deny US.
Then we're told that even if we lose our faith,,,He will remain faithful...
So what does this mean?
It means that God will always remain faithful to HIMSELF....
He made a pact with man and it was to give him a way to save himself.
God will alway remain faithful to that pact.
He will always remain faithful to his mercy.
He will always remain faithful to His justice and His love, etc.
God has a nature and He will forever remain faithful to that nature.
Which is bad news for those with no faith...
Because they will be lost since those with sin will not enter into heaven.
Revelation 21:27
The only way God will remain faithful to HIMSELF with those that have no faith, is to refuse them entrance into heaven.
You could check this out on your own.
The bible does NOT contradict itself.
Whenever you think there's a contradiction...the verses need to be studied.
We can biblically judge one's belief system.........and there is but one correct message of salvation.........the bible makes it very clear.....and to embellish faith with anything to gain or keep a "losable" salvation equates to a false gospel with no power to save a flea, much less a man........
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God the creator is a God of conditions.
Everything He does is in a context and for a reason.
The enemy will always ridicule and mock His approach and people.
God is concerned with His peoples response to His heart always.
And what matters most is the fact we freely love Him.
3 years He spent so that we might be His friends and know His heart.
So if you think this is without everything in ones life being involved with the King
you have not met Him.
Everything He does is in a context and for a reason.
The enemy will always ridicule and mock His approach and people.
God is concerned with His peoples response to His heart always.
And what matters most is the fact we freely love Him.
3 years He spent so that we might be His friends and know His heart.
So if you think this is without everything in ones life being involved with the King
you have not met Him.
Lets have a simple answer - does God love those who burn in the lake of fire?
No. Because they have passed from life to death, and will never return.
While there is still opportunity to call for forgiveness and mercy, still His love is there.
If this was not so, eternal destruction would not be possible.
No. Because they have passed from life to death, and will never return.
While there is still opportunity to call for forgiveness and mercy, still His love is there.
If this was not so, eternal destruction would not be possible.
I guess since you are scrambling around responding to all of my posts that it is okay to address you
Have you ever uttered the words I was wrong?
You know good and well you have been caught in a contradiction right out of your own mouth with your IRREVOCABLE deceiving false Doctrine
Anybody with one eyeball and half a brain can go back and read what you said over and over
It is impossible to BACKSLIDE AND leave your salvation because the gifts and the call of God is IRREVOCABLE IRREVOCABLE you said
The Bible is plain in Mark 3 that Jesus called Judas and ordained him to be an apostle
BUT NOW ITS ...WAIT A MINUTE .........WAIT A MINUTE THAT IRREVOCABLE STUFF WAS FOR EVERYBODY EXCEPT JUDAS
I thought I read somewhere in the Bible that said "God is Not a respect of people neither regardeth he any man's person"
I guess since you are the dictator you can have it both ways. But as for us common people we see the contradiction
Instead of admitting you were wrong you act like one of the kids that went to the school I used to be principal of.
What are you 16 yrs old telling me..
. do not address me... Because I don't agree with you. That's Child's Play
Have you ever uttered the words I was wrong?
You know good and well you have been caught in a contradiction right out of your own mouth with your IRREVOCABLE deceiving false Doctrine
Anybody with one eyeball and half a brain can go back and read what you said over and over
It is impossible to BACKSLIDE AND leave your salvation because the gifts and the call of God is IRREVOCABLE IRREVOCABLE you said
The Bible is plain in Mark 3 that Jesus called Judas and ordained him to be an apostle
BUT NOW ITS ...WAIT A MINUTE .........WAIT A MINUTE THAT IRREVOCABLE STUFF WAS FOR EVERYBODY EXCEPT JUDAS
I thought I read somewhere in the Bible that said "God is Not a respect of people neither regardeth he any man's person"
I guess since you are the dictator you can have it both ways. But as for us common people we see the contradiction
Instead of admitting you were wrong you act like one of the kids that went to the school I used to be principal of.
What are you 16 yrs old telling me..
. do not address me... Because I don't agree with you. That's Child's Play