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It is “firm root” not “no root” is bad translation….look it up, as well Jesus in his first rendition makes it clear that it was lack of moisture.
The roots of the new plant strive to reach the lower regions of rich soil in order to draw nutrients and moisture up to the plant leaves. However, once a stone or rocky base blocks the roots from drilling down into the dirt the plant withers in the heat. There isn't enough moisture and the plant soon dies.
The difference is that the seed actually sprouts, because there is some loose soil. The seed swells with moisture as the roots attempt to head downward searching for rich soil and moisture. The plant begins to grow, but finally succumbs to the elements of nature.
If we examine the verse further, it states "but in the time of testing they fall away." Only genuine believers are subject to testing. Only genuine believers possess saving faith to fall away from. Those who never believed possess no faith to test. It is impossible for unsaved person to fall away from something he was never a part of. Because of this, I have to conclude that those who genuinely believe can subsequently fall away.
Jesus is the seed, which is irrevocable and incorruptible.
The roots of the new plant strive to reach the lower regions of rich soil in order to draw nutrients and moisture up to the plant leaves. However, once a stone or rocky base blocks the roots from drilling down into the dirt the plant withers in the heat. There isn't enough moisture and the plant soon dies.
The difference is that the seed actually sprouts, because there is some loose soil. The seed swells with moisture as the roots attempt to head downward searching for rich soil and moisture. The plant begins to grow, but finally succumbs to the elements of nature.
If we examine the verse further, it states "but in the time of testing they fall away." Only genuine believers are subject to testing. Only genuine believers possess saving faith to fall away from. Those who never believed possess no faith to test. It is impossible for unsaved person to fall away from something he was never a part of. Because of this, I have to conclude that those who genuinely believe can subsequently fall away.
Jesus is the seed, which is irrevocable and incorruptible.
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There, I have rebutted your argument, you can try again.
Believers are believers a status conferred by God not a status determined by our behaviour.
There, I have rebutted your argument, you can try again.
Believers are believers a status conferred by God not a status determined by our behaviour.
i understand or think i understand what you have wrote, the parable of the sower is about a child , knowing a father, he wanted to explore the world , he need money to do this, this money led him to think ,what will he spend it on, he found that he could buy beer and sex ,a better home, when his money ran out, he returned to his father, in the hope his father would welcome him back, the other son who stayed by his father, never got to see, the world or other people in the world, then became upset with his father, because he wanted to do the same or because his efforts became nill and void to the father ,because his father gave him a ring and authority back to the other son.
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so people who work for a living, doing a job, trying to feed there families need money to do this, are like father and mother to there children.
yet if there son or daughter came home and said i am homasexual or gay male or female ,went down the pub, when to a hooker, etc they have a rite as a parent to accept there childs choice or reject the childs choice. how dose there choice reject them from a loving heavenly father, choice to love them. if there human parents have rejected them. when you meet the heavenly father, face to face, you can say to him, this is a sin , i read it in the bible, this is a sin.
the young son learned the rejection of humans, when his money ran out,but need money before he went,by looking at his own heavenly or humanly father, but returned alone to his father home. the son that stayed thought he was being reject by the father , some lessons in life are designed to teach you , how you treat an other human. so what do you expect knowing a loving father are they the same as knowing a heavenly father. who to some, believers, think heavenly and worldly fathers or parents , have the same meaning,and have the same authority,are the reason the young son returned home alone. ware was his wife or ware was flock of sheep, if the world was to be his eternal home.
so don t leave your life on the shelf, the same place you let your bible. get out there.
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so people who work for a living, doing a job, trying to feed there families need money to do this, are like father and mother to there children.
yet if there son or daughter came home and said i am homasexual or gay male or female ,went down the pub, when to a hooker, etc they have a rite as a parent to accept there childs choice or reject the childs choice. how dose there choice reject them from a loving heavenly father, choice to love them. if there human parents have rejected them. when you meet the heavenly father, face to face, you can say to him, this is a sin , i read it in the bible, this is a sin.
the young son learned the rejection of humans, when his money ran out,but need money before he went,by looking at his own heavenly or humanly father, but returned alone to his father home. the son that stayed thought he was being reject by the father , some lessons in life are designed to teach you , how you treat an other human. so what do you expect knowing a loving father are they the same as knowing a heavenly father. who to some, believers, think heavenly and worldly fathers or parents , have the same meaning,and have the same authority,are the reason the young son returned home alone. ware was his wife or ware was flock of sheep, if the world was to be his eternal home.
so don t leave your life on the shelf, the same place you let your bible. get out there.
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Only 1 group bore any fruit, that means only 1 group was saved, so either way, if youhave the other groups saved at one time, they had to of lst it because they did not bear fruit.
Either way if you look at vs 18 - 23, you see it is peoples response to the gospel not about bearing fruit. Bearing fruit is the result of responding correctly to the gospel
Either way if you look at vs 18 - 23, you see it is peoples response to the gospel not about bearing fruit. Bearing fruit is the result of responding correctly to the gospel
Luke 12 New International Version (NIV)
Warnings and Encouragements
4 “I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. 5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him. 6 Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God. 7 Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.
8 “I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God
Warnings and Encouragements
4 “I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. 5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him. 6 Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God. 7 Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.
8 “I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God
Who says "NO ROOT" is a bad translation? Here is a couple dozen different translations. A very few say something a different than NO ROOT, and those few are usually not reliable. But even more, Strongs translates the Greek words as "NO" and "ROOT". And it makes perfect sense because we are the branches he is the Vine. We are the plant HE is the Root. From which we get our water and nourishment to produce fruit.
Have you switched into thinking someone can lose their Salvation?
New International Version
But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root.
New Living Translation
But the plants soon wilted under the hot sun, and since they didn't have deep roots, they died.
English Standard Version
but when the sun rose they were scorched. And since they had no root, they withered away.
Berean Study Bible
But when the sun rose, the seedlings were scorched, and they withered because they had no root.
Berean Literal Bible
And the sun having risen, they were scorched, and through not having root, were dried up.
New American Standard Bible
"But when the sun had risen, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
King James Bible
And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
Christian Standard Bible
But when the sun came up, it was scorched, and since it had no root, it withered away.
Contemporary English Version
But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched and dried up, because they did not have deep roots.
Good News Translation
But when the sun came up, it burned the young plants; and because the roots had not grown deep enough, the plants soon dried up.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
But when the sun came up they were scorched, and since they had no root, they withered.
International Standard Version
But when the sun came up, they were scorched. Since they did not have any roots, they dried up.
NET Bible
But when the sun came up, they were scorched, and because they did not have sufficient root, they withered.
New Heart English Bible
But when the sun had risen, they were scorched. Because they had no root, they withered away.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But when the sun rose, it became hot, and because there were no roots, it dried up.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
But when the sun came up, they were scorched. They withered because their roots weren't deep enough.
New American Standard 1977
“But when the sun had risen, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
Jubilee Bible 2000
and when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
King James 2000 Bible
And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
American King James Version
And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
American Standard Version
and when the sun was risen, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And when the sun was up they were scorched: and because they had not root, they withered away.
Darby Bible Translation
but when the sun rose they were burned up, and because of not having [any] root were dried up;
English Revised Version
and when the sun was risen, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
Webster's Bible Translation
And when the sun had risen, they were scorched; and because they had not root, they withered.
Weymouth New Testament
but when the sun is risen, it is scorched by the heat, and through having no root it withers up.
World English Bible
When the sun had risen, they were scorched. Because they had no root, they withered away.
Young's Literal Translation
and the sun having risen they were scorched, and through not having root, they withered
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32 “Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. 33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. Luke 12
skeleton s don t have a heart.
skeleton s don t have a heart.