The Bible is the word of God

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Adam4Eve

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As many of you will know, I'm vehemently against allowing our relationship with God to be influenced by peripheral human tradition and culture, or learning the Bible through second hand testimony of humans (best to read it yourself).

Just like tithing is for some, one of the other things that I suspect will be close to people's hearts but which has no Biblical basis whatsoever is the idea that the Bible is
'fully and completely the unadulterated word of God'.

I believe the word of God is contained within the Bible but that much of the Bible is a human description of events that took place at some time, or things like that.

Disagree?
Then show me where it says that the ENTIRE Bible is the pure and unadulterated word of God.

If you can't show me, then this idea is merely part of Christian tradition or culture, with no actual Biblical basis.


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I know, I know! By asking this question I "can't possibly be a Christian", right?
 
breno785au

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I can see what you're saying but if we go down this path, can you begin to describe which verse(s) in the Bible are not Truth?
 
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breno785au said:
I can see what you're saying but if we go down this path, can you begin to describe which verse(s) in the Bible are not Truth?
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It has nothing to do with truth and untruth.
It's about God's word versus narrative.
 
Nehemiah6

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Adam4Eve said:
...which has no Biblical basis whatsoever is the idea that the Bible is 'fully and completely the unadulterated word of God
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What makes you think this has no biblical basis? And if you believe that is the case THE BURDEN IS ON YOU to show from Scripture that this has no biblical basis.
Adam4Eve said:
If you can't show me, then this idea is merely part of Christian tradition or culture, with no actual Biblical basis.
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Thus comment is pure arrogance.

What I see coming out of the woodwork is a whole bunch of wacky ideas on Christian forums because people have not been actually studying the Word.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
What makes you think this has no biblical basis? And if you believe that is the case THE BURDEN IS ON YOU to show from Scripture that this has no biblical basis.

Thus comment is pure arrogance.

What I see coming out of the woodwork is a whole bunch of wacky ideas on Christian forums because people have not been actually studying the Word.
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Oh I see, typical move on these forums:
Somebody questions a deeply held belief, but one that has no basis and is thus mere tradition, and then the burden is placed on them to prove that somebody else's belief is untrue.

It's called a burden of proof reversal, and in this context is a move made by somebody because they realise that their belief has no empirical basis at all, so they request that somebody else proves the negative.

I'm not even going to get into this with you - it's logic 101.

If you'd like to answer the question I ask in the OP then please do.

Have a nice day.
 
Lanolin

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Easy look up 2 Timothy 3:16

Notice it says ALL SCRIPTURE

PRoverbs 30:5

Notice....EVERY word of God is PURE

REvelation 22:18-19

Specifically talking about the book of Revelation not to add or take away from any words in, prophecy

john 10:35

Scripture cannot be broken
There is many more, for you to look up just a few...do your homework and study YOUR BIBLE. Blessings to you. You are smart, you can do it.

Wont be answering any more crazy questions from you because....you can find out for yourself when you read the Bible. :)

Hebrews 4:12 look that one up too.
 
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Adam4Eve said:
show me where it says that the ENTIRE Bible is the pure and unadulterated word of God.

If you can't show me, then this idea is merely part of Christian tradition or culture, with no actual Biblical basis.
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for simplicity define
A = the entire Bible is the word of God
B = the idea that the entire Bible is the word of God is a false product of tradition/culture

B is not proven by lack of proof for A - much less because a certain small group of people fail to come up with a proof for A in a limited time period.

but anyway..

all scripture is God-breathed ​
(2 Timothy 3:16) ​

now decide what is 'scripture' and what is not ;)
 
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Adam4Eve said:
It's called a burden of proof reversal
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uh, didn't you do the burden-of-proof-reversal-dance yourself when you made a claim that is obviously outrageous / extraordinary to the audience you're addressing and demanded that they disprove it? :unsure:

((not that i'm complaining))
 
JaumeJ

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The Bible is only imperfect when there is absence of the Key, the Holy Spirit.

With God teaching, one may readily obtain truth from a Betty Crocker Cookbook…...

Scoffers will be ignored.
 
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breno785au said:
Yes it is and you're way out of line. Which scriptures do you not believe is truth?
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No, I'm not out of line.
I'm asking a question.
If my question makes you feel uncomfortable, I'm afraid I don't care.
I just want to know what the answer is.

It's not that I don't believe that scriptures are truth, I do.
I'm just unsure whether everything contained in the Bible is the word of God, or whether narrative is given by man.
 
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JaumeJ said:
The Bible is only imperfect when there is absence of the Key, the Holy Spirit.

With God teaching, one may readily obtain truth from a Betty Crocker Cookbook…...

Scoffers will be ignored.
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You seem sensible, so I'll ask you because you seem to be able to perceive beyond the infantile mirage of cultural assertion shared by so many that have replied to this thread.

Is the Bible in it's entirety the pure unadulterated word of God, or are parts (e.g. narrative or descriptions of events that took place) written purely by man?

Where does it say either way?
If it doesn't say either way, why do people believe either way?
 
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Adam4Eve said:
As many of you will know, I'm vehemently against allowing our relationship with God to be influenced by peripheral human tradition and culture, or learning the Bible through second hand testimony of humans (best to read it yourself).

Just like tithing is for some, one of the other things that I suspect will be close to people's hearts but which has no Biblical basis whatsoever is the idea that the Bible is
'fully and completely the unadulterated word of God'.

I believe the word of God is contained within the Bible but that much of the Bible is a human description of events that took place at some time, or things like that.

Disagree?
Then show me where it says that the ENTIRE Bible is the pure and unadulterated word of God.

If you can't show me, then this idea is merely part of Christian tradition or culture, with no actual Biblical basis.


PS:
I know, I know! By asking this question I "can't possibly be a Christian", right?
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Why you ask this question?
In the german protestant universitys they teach that the bible contains the word of God. But they have different measures to deceide what is the word of God. In the way you see the bible, its in the hand of the human to deceide what is the word of God. And this is the opening for every false teaching. And this why we have among a 3rd of german protestant pastors the believe that Jesus birth was not a virgin birth and that his body did not resurected. How many people are led in a wrong way and astray from God, because the people claim the bible contains the word of God, instead to teach the bible is the word of God!
 
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wolfwint said:
Why you ask this question?
In the german protestant universitys they teach that the bible contains the word of God. But they have different measures to deceide what is the word of God. In the way you see the bible, its in the hand of the human to deceide what is the word of God. And this is the opening for every false teaching. And this why we have among a 3rd of german protestant pastors the believe that Jesus birth was not a virgin birth and that his body did not resurected. How many people are led in a wrong way and astray from God, because the people claim the bible contains the word of God, instead to teach the bible is the word of God!
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No, you're trying to tell me what my view is, and you're wrong.

I didn't say it's up to humans to decide which parts of the Bible are written by man, and which by the Holy Spirit.
That's not what I believe thank you.

Please stick to the original question and stop making out I'm saying something I'm not.

I'm not being rude, so please don't take it personally.
I'm just keen to quash any accidental attempt to derail this important topic and turn it into something else.

Have a great day.
 
PennEd

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Adam4Eve said:
As many of you will know, I'm vehemently against allowing our relationship with God to be influenced by peripheral human tradition and culture, or learning the Bible through second hand testimony of humans (best to read it yourself).

Just like tithing is for some, one of the other things that I suspect will be close to people's hearts but which has no Biblical basis whatsoever is the idea that the Bible is
'fully and completely the unadulterated word of God'.

I believe the word of God is contained within the Bible but that much of the Bible is a human description of events that took place at some time, or things like that.

Disagree?
Then show me where it says that the ENTIRE Bible is the pure and unadulterated word of God.

If you can't show me, then this idea is merely part of Christian tradition or culture, with no actual Biblical basis.


PS:
I know, I know! By asking this question I "can't possibly be a Christian", right?
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Here ya go:

2 Timothy 3:16-17 New International Version (NIV)
16 ALL Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a]may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.


Now it may be true that some translations may not get it 100% right, but in it's original languages it IS ALL God's Word.
 
JaumeJ

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Adam4Eve said:
You seem sensible, so I'll ask you because you seem to be able to perceive beyond the infantile mirage of cultural assertion shared by so many that have replied to this thread.

Is the Bible in it's entirety the pure unadulterated word of God, or are parts (e.g. narrative or descriptions of events that took place) written purely by man?

Where does it say either way?
If it doesn't say either way, why do people believe either way?
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How sensible I am, I would not dare say but I have already responded in the post your replied to.

If you want quotes that satisfy believers, try the first chapter of the evangelist, John.

As folks who are convinced by the Holy Spirit it is an inherent knowledge tha our Father has assured we each will ascertain all each needs by the Holy Spirit.


It is not an intellectual endeavor, it is completely spiritual, and no amount of scholarly hanky panky can dent that.
 
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Adam4Eve said:
No, I'm not out of line.
I'm asking a question.
If my question makes you feel uncomfortable, I'm afraid I don't care.
I just want to know what the answer is.

It's not that I don't believe that scriptures are truth, I do.
I'm just unsure whether everything contained in the Bible is the word of God, or whether narrative is given by man.
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Considering many parts of the Bible hadn’t been written yet, the “all Scripture is God breathed” I believe was specifically talking about the Scriptures/scrolls written by the prophets. I’m not saying the New Testament is a work of fiction, I just hate when people say that statement automatically includes it. Interpretation is subject to preconceptions. I think in many cases what the words say aren’t taught correctly. That’s why you have so much division in the church. To emphatically believe what religious establishments have extracted and presented to be the accurate Word of God, is putting trust in corrupt leadership. A brief glimpse into history shows those who ordained the Bible weren’t ones who lived by its precepts.
 
Dino246

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Adam4Eve said:
As many of you will know, I'm vehemently against allowing our relationship with God to be influenced by peripheral human tradition and culture, or learning the Bible through second hand testimony of humans (best to read it yourself).

Just like tithing is for some, one of the other things that I suspect will be close to people's hearts but which has no Biblical basis whatsoever is the idea that the Bible is
'fully and completely the unadulterated word of God'.

I believe the word of God is contained within the Bible but that much of the Bible is a human description of events that took place at some time, or things like that.

Disagree?
Then show me where it says that the ENTIRE Bible is the pure and unadulterated word of God.

If you can't show me, then this idea is merely part of Christian tradition or culture, with no actual Biblical basis.


PS:
I know, I know! By asking this question I "can't possibly be a Christian", right?
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Fallacy: burden of proof reversal. Support your own assertion with evidence first.
 
Dino246

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Adam4Eve said:
Oh I see, typical move on these forums: ...

It's called a burden of proof reversal, and in this context is a move made by somebody because they realise that their belief has no empirical basis at all, so they request that somebody else proves the negative.

I'm not even going to get into this with you - it's logic 101.
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If you understand “logic 101” you will see the silliness of calling a BoPR on others when you began with one yourself.
 
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