The Bible is the word of God

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Adam4Eve

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Running the risk of being chided from a (self proclaimed) superior "life form/intellect" with CONTROL issues? (of the which, I find much pleasure in "winding it up and watching it GO!" :p)
There are 2 ways, you might could take Ezekiel 40-48. Both of which I believe, simultaneously, at the same time, are true!

The 1rst, would be a detailed "blue print", and "road map" of The New Jerusalem. Which happens at the 2nd advent, or? Well? Here! John describes "the EVENT!"
Revelation
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Ezekiel 40-48, describes precise dimensions and locations of rooms etc. ie blueprint ;)

2nd, would be applying these same details in the "construction and erecting" of "The Temple" of the Holy Spirit of God!
OF the which, is what we mere "HUMANS" :)p), carry around within us. In various stages, and/or phases of construction, repair, expansion, and/or "neglect", and, in some cases? "Abandoned" completely! Yanno? The "Father's House", MANY Mansions, thing!
(mansions=meno, or, "areas of ABIDANCE.") ;)

But? In response to OP?
Yes! SOME of the "written record", is JUST "that!" A "record" of events, lineages, travels, battles, wars, etc. To an empirical mind, or, NIMRODIAN mindset.


To SOME? The written record, defines heavenly/spiritual, and yea, even "biologic" "mysteries!" SHOULD the battles be fought and won, and mysteries be revealed!
Of the which? The BEST "video game", is but a "CHEAP IMITATION!!" And, MUST be taken as such! Or run the risk of getting "sucked IN" the BLACK HOLE!
With reference to your opening point, since when did it become a negative character trait to exercise rational thought and due diligence, and ask questions?

Please, just stop.
 
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Some might say that the history of the Jews could be written by the human mind, without the intervening of the Holy Spirit.

But that does not fly for it would not be in such detail, and that extensive of information that the human mind could put forth unless God intervened, and put it forth in order, and all the details, and without the human mind that can be forgetful, or biased.

Look at Islam without the guidance of God, they say Allah is for us, for everybody that writes of their God will say that God exalts them, and favors them, for they want to appear as if on top of the human species, and great because of their God, and to exalt themselves above other nations, and religions, and to not make them appear vulnerable to the other nations, as some sort of defense against them according to their God that favors them.

But look at Judaism, and the Bible, and when they rejected Christ, for they boldly put forth that their God punished them, and did not favor them at times, causing them to suffer for their rebellious ways, and their enemies got to rule over them, even now, and the Jews today know it.

And Israel as a whole suffered many times throughout history for their rebellious ways, and they were not afraid to tell it to the world despite it could make them look weak, and vulnerable to the other nations.

That surely had to be of a true God, for no other religion, or nation, would dare say that, but would say their God favors them, and they prosper, so you better back off or feel the wrath of their God, and they are for the most part with their God, with only a few that might be rebellious, so those few do not hinder their God from working among them to cause them to prosper, and prosper against their enemies.

So one could say that the history of the Jews was written by the mind without the intervening of God, but that does not make sense.

We know for a certainty that prophesy is of God, no debating that, and God's holy ways, and commandments no debating that, and creation, and the flood, and the tower of Babel, and the Babylonian captivity where the king acknowledged the God of Israel because of Daniel, so they rode on eagle's wings, and referred to as gold, and Medo-Persia with Daniel again, and many other things which I do not want to list but had to come from God.

We could say that the Psalms was the human mind praising God, like David, but it would still would have to be approved of God to be in the Bible, and David got his inspiration from God to praise Him in the first place.

We know Proverbs is certainly of God for it is about His wisdom, and how we should conduct ourselves.

But regardless if one thinks that many of the Bible is of God related to people to write, and some of it from the human mind without God prompting them to write it, it still has to be approved of God for it to be in the Holy Bible.

But I believe the Bible is all given by God for them to write down, for it is His word and He will have them write what He wants them to write, so even if they know of history to write down, God would still want them to write down how He wants it to be written down, and that way it is not jumbled, some of it forgotten, and not biased, but right on the money, no doubting, that it is the way it really is and nothing else.

Has anybody in history had such a history recorded as in the Bible concerning the Jews, and of the other nations that it tells us about, even telling us about all the kingdoms that will be on earth, and the last kingdom the beast kingdom, which they would not, for with people they change through the years, they forget things, and they would not be that extensive, and in detail, as the recorded history of the Jews that has to be given by God.

Humans do know some things, and can record them, but all the word of God is all what God told them to write down, for it will be surely accurate that way, in better detail, and plainer to understand than if humans wrote what they wanted to write of certain things, and it is the word of God so He is not going to allow humans to put down what they want, but it will be from God.

Paul did write a few things, and did tell us that it is from him as a recommendation, and not from the Lord, but the Lord still allowed him to write it, so it is the same as the Lord telling him what to write, for Paul surely could not include it in the Bible had the Lord not permitted it.

For God is not going to let anybody write anything that is part of the Bible unless He permits it, so if God did let someone say something from their own human mind, then it would be the same as He told them to write that for He permitted it.

But I believe that they were always guided by God in what to write, and it was the way God wanted it to be written down, and many things they knew nothing about that was all from God.

I don't know what to say completely concerning this, but I believe that God told them everything to write down, with the exception of Paul and his recommendations, and perhaps Psalms, but it still had to be approved by God, and God was the inspiration for David and the Psalms.

Like some people say what part of scriptures do people think it was from people alone.
 

posthuman

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I see now, where you were speaking of. T'was my 2nd point. I didn't wish to "impose" myself TOO strongly on the OP. But, since t'was you that asked? I'll elaborate. :)

There are "Temple builders", and there are "City builders." In the Kingdom of God, and the Kingdom of Light. Some do 1. Some do both!
In the end? All will do both! Till then? The ones that do both now? Must endure the "stress and distress", of "works=salvation" Temple only builders. ;)

For your listening pleasure PH? :)
:D

 

Adam4Eve

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Easy look up 2 Timothy 3:16

Notice it says ALL SCRIPTURE

PRoverbs 30:5

Notice....EVERY word of God is PURE

REvelation 22:18-19

Specifically talking about the book of Revelation not to add or take away from any words in, prophecy

john 10:35

Scripture cannot be broken
There is many more, for you to look up just a few...do your homework and study YOUR BIBLE. Blessings to you. You are smart, you can do it.

Wont be answering any more crazy questions from you because....you can find out for yourself when you read the Bible. :)

Hebrews 4:12 look that one up too.
Because of your post I've changed my mind.
The entire Bible is from God.

Just a note to anybody else reading this:
It's best to respond to a question with an answer, most generally, just like the person quoted above did so.

It is not advisable to respond with mocking, jeering or other such nonsense - this makes our faith seem cultish.

Many of you need to start practicing what you preach, and become better teachers.

Hey, it might just so happen that the person asking the question has a point...
 

louis

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#46
Ezekiel 40-48, describes precise dimensions and locations of rooms etc. ie blueprint ;)

Yes, Ezekiel 40-48 does describe precise dimensions and locations of rooms.
If you look at the dimensions they appear to be very small apartments.
These small apartments also appear to contradict the Jerusalem in Revelation with streets of translucent gold, and 1,500 miles square, and in height.
 

NayborBear

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#47
With reference to your opening point, since when did it become a negative character trait to exercise rational thought and due diligence, and ask questions?

Please, just stop.
"If you're going to type in English, please do so in such a way that demonstrates at least a basic grasp of the language, which doesn't require every other word to be in bold either."

Do ye REMEMBER that response that issued from your "Rationally THOUGHTFUL" and "Duly DULL-IGENT" fingertips? In your showing of a "POSITIVE Character Trait?"

"Westboro Baptist Church" thread Post #12.

And, you want ME to stop? :mad:

Call it a "fault" on my part! As I tend to "RESPOND, in kind!" Not, in kindness! So as to give cause for you to "even THINK", I am yielding to YOUR will! Cuz, Frankly, Johnny? That AIN'T gonna happen!

Reckon I didn't "realize" how detrimental it was to fragile ego's, that the changing from "regular" to BOLD type is, in my striving's in the conveyance of thoughts and emotions, that are, in MY opinion, so oft times LOST, or, simply skipped over in "written text?" The HEART of God, as He has given unction unto me, for His people, and Christ's sheeps! This especially includes the canonized Bible!

Now! You wanna learn? I'm down with that! There's a whole lot of good people in this very forum! You wanna teach? I'd word my questions so as to cause people to not think you are seeking ways in refuting the Bible!
Or?
You wanna keep trying to kill the messenger/s?
Ball's in your court, Johnny! :)

















 

Adam4Eve

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"If you're going to type in English, please do so in such a way that demonstrates at least a basic grasp of the language, which doesn't require every other word to be in bold either."

Do ye REMEMBER that response that issued from your "Rationally THOUGHTFUL" and "Duly DULL-IGENT" fingertips? In your showing of a "POSITIVE Character Trait?"

"Westboro Baptist Church" thread Post #12.

And, you want ME to stop? :mad:

Call it a "fault" on my part! As I tend to "RESPOND, in kind!" Not, in kindness! So as to give cause for you to "even THINK", I am yielding to YOUR will! Cuz, Frankly, Johnny? That AIN'T gonna happen!

Reckon I didn't "realize" how detrimental it was to fragile ego's, that the changing from "regular" to BOLD type is, in my striving's in the conveyance of thoughts and emotions, that are, in MY opinion, so oft times LOST, or, simply skipped over in "written text?" The HEART of God, as He has given unction unto me, for His people, and Christ's sheeps! This especially includes the canonized Bible!

Now! You wanna learn? I'm down with that! There's a whole lot of good people in this very forum! You wanna teach? I'd word my questions so as to cause people to not think you are seeking ways in refuting the Bible!
Or?
You wanna keep trying to kill the messenger/s?
Ball's in your court, Johnny! :)
Get over it.

See post #45 in this thread.
 

NayborBear

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#50
Yes, Ezekiel 40-48 does describe precise dimensions and locations of rooms.
If you look at the dimensions they appear to be very small apartments.
These small apartments also appear to contradict the Jerusalem in Revelation with streets of translucent gold, and 1,500 miles square, and in height.
Apartments/Compartments? Might be on to something here!
Reminds me of a joke I heard when I was a kid.
Ever see an elephants hiding in a tree?
They hide pretty good, don't they? :p
I know! Crazy! Right? ;)

John 14
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Revelation 21:22
And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
 

KelbyofGod

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As many of you will know, I'm vehemently against allowing our relationship with God to be influenced by peripheral human tradition and culture, or learning the Bible through second hand testimony of humans (best to read it yourself).

Just like tithing is for some, one of the other things that I suspect will be close to people's hearts but which has no Biblical basis whatsoever is the idea that the Bible is
'fully and completely the unadulterated word of God'.

I believe the word of God is contained within the Bible but that much of the Bible is a human description of events that took place at some time, or things like that.

Disagree?
Then show me where it says that the ENTIRE Bible is the pure and unadulterated word of God.

If you can't show me, then this idea is merely part of Christian tradition or culture, with no actual Biblical basis.


PS:
I know, I know! By asking this question I "can't possibly be a Christian", right?
Adam4Eve,

I really like your post and the boldness thereof. To take your premise to an even more basic level, How about the following questions we could ask ourselves...

1). Does the word of God within the bible ever state that there will be a "bible"?

2). Am I mistaken to say that the word of God within the bible itself clearly states that truth is also within other books by other prophets (for example, the book of the prophet Iddo) which are not contained in this particular collection?

3)a. Doesn't the word of God also list many other ACTUAL prophets?
3)b. If the bible declares them prophets... doesn't that mean, by definition, that they also spoke the word of God? (False prophets excluded because if the bible calls them false prophets, that means they're not actual prophets. :) )
3)c. Are those words (even though from God himself) included in this collection man calls "The Bible"?

4)a. Who appointed the committee that made the selections? (God or man?)
4)b. Did GOD say he appointed that committee, or did some MAN tell us that?
4)c. Do we trust them because they were right...or because it's easier to trust them than to find out for ourselves?

Love in Jesus to all reading this,
Kelby
 

Adam4Eve

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Adam4Eve,

I really like your post and the boldness thereof. To take your premise to an even more basic level, How about the following questions we could ask ourselves...

1). Does the word of God within the bible ever state that there will be a "bible"?

2). Am I mistaken to say that the word of God within the bible itself clearly states that truth is also within other books by other prophets (for example, the book of the prophet Iddo) which are not contained in this particular collection?

3)a. Doesn't the word of God also list many other ACTUAL prophets?
3)b. If the bible declares them prophets... doesn't that mean, by definition, that they also spoke the word of God? (False prophets excluded because if the bible calls them false prophets, that means they're not actual prophets. :) )
3)c. Are those words (even though from God himself) included in this collection man calls "The Bible"?

4)a. Who appointed the committee that made the selections? (God or man?)
4)b. Did GOD say he appointed that committee, or did some MAN tell us that?
4)c. Do we trust them because they were right...or because it's easier to trust them than to find out for ourselves?

Love in Jesus to all reading this,
Kelby
Well this is a good point because there are many gospels not contained within the Bible.
 

Dan_473

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Adam4Eve,

I really like your post and the boldness thereof. To take your premise to an even more basic level, How about the following questions we could ask ourselves...

1). Does the word of God within the bible ever state that there will be a "bible"?

2). Am I mistaken to say that the word of God within the bible itself clearly states that truth is also within other books by other prophets (for example, the book of the prophet Iddo) which are not contained in this particular collection?

3)a. Doesn't the word of God also list many other ACTUAL prophets?
3)b. If the bible declares them prophets... doesn't that mean, by definition, that they also spoke the word of God? (False prophets excluded because if the bible calls them false prophets, that means they're not actual prophets. :) )
3)c. Are those words (even though from God himself) included in this collection man calls "The Bible"?

4)a. Who appointed the committee that made the selections? (God or man?)
4)b. Did GOD say he appointed that committee, or did some MAN tell us that?
4)c. Do we trust them because they were right...or because it's easier to trust them than to find out for ourselves?

Love in Jesus to all reading this,
Kelby
Maybe a similar idea:

The book of Revelation says it was written by someone named John. That it was John the apostle is a human tradition, I believe.
 

Jan7777777

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No, I'm not out of line.
I'm asking a question.
If my question makes you feel uncomfortable, I'm afraid I don't care.
I just want to know what the answer is.

It's not that I don't believe that scriptures are truth, I do.
I'm just unsure whether everything contained in the Bible is the word of God, or whether narrative is given by man.
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ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness..(2 Timothy 3:16)
MAN wrote what God inspired them to write.
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God is not going to let anyone put in his word anything wrong or what he did not say. its our manual on living. why would he allow them to put something in there that is not what he said?
 

KelbyofGod

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ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness..(2 Timothy 3:16)
MAN wrote what God inspired them to write.
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God is not going to let anyone put in his word anything wrong or what he did not say. its our manual on living. why would he allow them to put something in there that is not what he said?
Jan,

If God didn't declare the bible to be his full and unadulterated word, then it might be argued that it is only MAN who makes that claim. That is partly what the OP was suggesting. (being brutally honest about what we want vs. what actually is)

It's scary to think that we are allowed to question something upon which we base our faith...and I don't want to suggest you should not use the bible as a GREAT base for your faith. There's just more to it than a simple all is right vs. all is wrong.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby