The Bible is the word of God
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I believe most of the KJV to be Gods Word. One major exception, however, is Ezekiel 40-48, which seems to be all about architecture. It's as if a second scribe came along and added the last eight chapters with his fantasy of a utopic city.
The book of Enoch which has been removed from the bible, I also believe to be the Word of God.
The book of Enoch which has been removed from the bible, I also believe to be the Word of God.
Most people on here will say they believe the entire bible is the word of God, but ask them if they have access to it for them to read and study and live by...
It's important to believe God's word is totally inspired, but it's equally important to believe we have access to it today. If God gave us His word to study, read and live by every word, then He must have preserved it for us today. If not, how are we held accountable?
It's important to believe God's word is totally inspired, but it's equally important to believe we have access to it today. If God gave us His word to study, read and live by every word, then He must have preserved it for us today. If not, how are we held accountable?
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The narrative of historic events in the Bible is there for a reason. It shows the work of God's hand as history unfolded. A good example is clear I'm Genesis, God tells Abraham that he will give this land to his descendants, but first they will be oppressed in a land that isn't theirs for 400 hundred years. He will make them a great nation there and then he will judge the nation that oppressed them. Then he casually mentions the ammorites who live there and that their iniquity isn't complete. Then you fast forward and the story of Joseph is told. This gives us a picture of how good deals with the world and uses all that happens. So it's historical narrative with Devine insights.
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My View on the Bible
This book is not the work of one man and or a Shakespearian play.....It was written over a period of 1600 years by some 40 odd authors. It contains the verbiage of Kings, priests, slaves, Roman soldiers, tax collectors, fishermen, thieves, Pharaohs, the rich, the poor, lepers, demon possessed, angels, Satan and every other gambit of human background. It accurately predicts the rise and fall of world kingdoms and even names the leaders of some centuries or more in advance of their coming and exactly what they would do in their reign. It is full of overwhelming proof of divine influence and even speaks to modern flight, modern weapons, nuclear war, genetics, more than 4 dimensions, modern mathematics, medicine, astronomy, and has hundreds of prophetic utterances that have come to pass exactly as they were given without error.
Not only does it contain narrative, but it also contains allegory, metaphor, symbolic, prophecy, parables, poetry, acrostic psalms, prayers, and the words of a donkey while being written in four languages (some Chaldean in Daniel and Aramaic in Matthew) and containing language beyond human comprehension.
ABOVE all....It contains the divine words of the one true God concerning the human condition and the eternal destinies of men based upon said choices in this life I.E. a person's destiny is sealed based upon their acceptance and or rejection of the irrevocable gift of life found in Christ.
What I have said here does not even scratch the surface concerning the validity of the word and the value without price that can be placed upon the pages and pages of wisdom that can be gleaned from the truth found therein.....it is tragic that men devalue it to the mere works of men which states multitudes about their bias, reckless abandon and lack of honest evaluation.
ABOVE all....It contains the divine words of the one true God concerning the human condition and the eternal destinies of men based upon said choices in this life I.E. a person's destiny is sealed based upon their acceptance and or rejection of the irrevocable gift of life found in Christ.
What I have said here does not even scratch the surface concerning the validity of the word and the value without price that can be placed upon the pages and pages of wisdom that can be gleaned from the truth found therein.....it is tragic that men devalue it to the mere works of men which states multitudes about their bias, reckless abandon and lack of honest evaluation.
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Running the risk of being chided from a (self proclaimed) superior "life form/intellect" with CONTROL issues? (of the which, I find much pleasure in "winding it up and watching it GO!" 
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There are 2 ways, you might could take Ezekiel 40-48. Both of which I believe, simultaneously, at the same time, are true!
The 1rst, would be a detailed "blue print", and "road map" of The New Jerusalem. Which happens at the 2nd advent, or? Well? Here! John describes "the EVENT!"
Revelation
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Ezekiel 40-48, describes precise dimensions and locations of rooms etc. ie blueprint
2nd, would be applying these same details in the "construction and erecting" of "The Temple" of the Holy Spirit of God!
OF the which, is what we mere "HUMANS"p), carry around within us. In various stages, and/or phases of construction, repair, expansion, and/or "neglect", and, in some cases? "Abandoned" completely! Yanno? The "Father's House", MANY Mansions, thing! (mansions=meno, or, "areas of ABIDANCE.")
But? In response to OP?
Yes! SOME of the "written record", is JUST "that!" A "record" of events, lineages, travels, battles, wars, etc. To an empirical mind, or, NIMRODIAN mindset.
To SOME? The written record, defines heavenly/spiritual, and yea, even "biologic" "mysteries!" SHOULD the battles be fought and won, and mysteries be revealed!
Of the which? The BEST "video game", is but a "CHEAP IMITATION!!" And, MUST be taken as such! Or run the risk of getting "sucked IN" the BLACK HOLE!
)There are 2 ways, you might could take Ezekiel 40-48. Both of which I believe, simultaneously, at the same time, are true!
The 1rst, would be a detailed "blue print", and "road map" of The New Jerusalem. Which happens at the 2nd advent, or? Well? Here! John describes "the EVENT!"
Revelation
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Ezekiel 40-48, describes precise dimensions and locations of rooms etc. ie blueprint
2nd, would be applying these same details in the "construction and erecting" of "The Temple" of the Holy Spirit of God!
OF the which, is what we mere "HUMANS"
p), carry around within us. In various stages, and/or phases of construction, repair, expansion, and/or "neglect", and, in some cases? "Abandoned" completely! Yanno? The "Father's House", MANY Mansions, thing! (mansions=meno, or, "areas of ABIDANCE.") But? In response to OP?
Yes! SOME of the "written record", is JUST "that!" A "record" of events, lineages, travels, battles, wars, etc. To an empirical mind, or, NIMRODIAN mindset.
To SOME? The written record, defines heavenly/spiritual, and yea, even "biologic" "mysteries!" SHOULD the battles be fought and won, and mysteries be revealed!
Of the which? The BEST "video game", is but a "CHEAP IMITATION!!" And, MUST be taken as such! Or run the risk of getting "sucked IN" the BLACK HOLE!
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in bold: WHERE? PLEASE. WHERE. All the end times verses talk about spears horses and out-dated weaponry. This is the achilles heel of futurism. Revelation 19 which I believe is the second coming, is hard to explain to preterist's since they insist that because it talks about horses, it cant happen today! (Horses gathered and captains on them,etc)
Can someone tell me if you can see CLEARLY in my avatar a CAMEL face?
Can someone tell me if you can see CLEARLY in my avatar a CAMEL face?
Running the risk of being chided from a (self proclaimed) superior "life form/intellect" with CONTROL issues? (of the which, I find much pleasure in "winding it up and watching it GO!" )
There are 2 ways, you might could take Ezekiel 40-48. Both of which I believe, simultaneously, at the same time, are true!
The 1rst, would be a detailed "blue print", and "road map" of The New Jerusalem. Which happens at the 2nd advent, or? Well? Here! John describes "the EVENT!"
Revelation
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Ezekiel 40-48, describes precise dimensions and locations of rooms etc. ie blueprint
)There are 2 ways, you might could take Ezekiel 40-48. Both of which I believe, simultaneously, at the same time, are true!
The 1rst, would be a detailed "blue print", and "road map" of The New Jerusalem. Which happens at the 2nd advent, or? Well? Here! John describes "the EVENT!"
Revelation
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Ezekiel 40-48, describes precise dimensions and locations of rooms etc. ie blueprint
one teensy issue with that interpretation...
Revelation 21:22
And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
in bold: WHERE? PLEASE. WHERE. All the end times verses talk about spears horses and out-dated weaponry. This is the achilles heel of futurism. Revelation 19 which I believe is the second coming, is hard to explain to preterist's since they insist that because it talks about horses, it cant happen today! (Horses gathered and captains on them,etc)
Can someone tell me if you can see CLEARLY in my avatar a CAMEL face?
Can someone tell me if you can see CLEARLY in my avatar a CAMEL face?
Woe to the land beyond Ethiopia which OVERSHADOWS with wings
Everyone found is thrust through with weapons that cause the people found to EXPLODE down INTO fragments and PIECES
Destruction that....NUCLEAR
a. Comes from under the shadow of a cloud
b. With the tempest of a storm
c. Causes the earth to undulate and quake
d. Burns cities with fire
e. Makes them uninhabitable'
f. Is heard around the world
g. NO ONE helps for FEAR of her torment
She mounts HER defenses to the UTMOST HEAVENS
etc.....There are many references that can only be viewed fro a modern perspective....
And I will point out......After a nuclear war....every vehicle not shielded from EMP's will be dead sitting...RUSSIA still to this day has and utilizes horses..................
It is foolish to believe that these things happened in 70 A.D. when it is obvious that many things point to the end of the age....above is but a sampling found scattered through out the O.T. prophecies.....what I have learned is that the nations of antiquity and the prophecies given were woven in with those nations and at that time, but they accurately describe what is coming at the end of the age....JUST like BABYLON.....IS FALLEN, IS FALLEN <----go do a study of the words that were written on the wall that Daniel gives the meaning of......the writing is plural and yet he translates in the singular and changes the word.....BECAUSE one application was to BABYLON B.C. and another application to yet future city identified as BABYLON......<---the same CITY JOHN calls a MYSTERY at the time written in the 1st Century.....and JOHN knew full well of ROME and yet he states...Mystery, BABYLON, that MEGA city where the kings of the earth meet.........MOST skip the comma and deny that it is identified as a CITY 6 times in Revelation.....
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one teensy issue with that interpretation...
Revelation 21:22
And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Revelation 21:22
And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Perhaps I'm missing your point, PH.
But, in verse 3? Sounds like WE are the Temple!
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle (Temple) of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people (Temple), and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Kinda shows the "body of Christ", in a different light, ay?
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Perhaps I'm missing your point, PH.
But, in verse 3? Sounds like WE are the Temple!
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle (Temple) of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people (Temple), and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Kinda shows the "body of Christ", in a different light, ay?
But, in verse 3? Sounds like WE are the Temple!
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle (Temple) of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people (Temple), and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Kinda shows the "body of Christ", in a different light, ay?
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my point was, Ezekiel 40-48 can't be describing a physical temple in the new Jerusalem because there is no temple in the new Jerusalem. it may still be an allegorical picture tho
I see now, where you were speaking of. T'was my 2nd point. I didn't wish to "impose" myself TOO strongly on the OP. But, since t'was you that asked? I'll elaborate.
There are "Temple builders", and there are "City builders." In the Kingdom of God, and the Kingdom of Light. Some do 1. Some do both!
In the end? All will do both! Till then? The ones that do both now? Must endure the "stress and distress", of "works=salvation" Temple only builders.
For your listening pleasure PH?
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