YOU ARE A LIAR!!!

[cv5]

In the old days, bipolar and psychological disorders were labelled as demon possession. Today however, we know the difference between demon possession and psychological disorders. The cure for demon possession is casting out through the Name of Yeshua(Jesus), and the cure for psychological disorders come in a prescription you take to your local pharmacy.

My suggestion, NEVER let your prescription run low, Op!!

"the cure for psychological disorders come in a prescription you take to your local pharmacy"

Hardly. More accurately a recipe for permanent and irreversible brain damage and neuron death....

Never....ever.....trust a psychiatrist IMO.

https://breggin.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

 

[Rightlydivided]

How many churches have you actually been in that teach 'watered down grace'? You seem to be painting the picture with a broad brush.

If you are not the type of person I was talking to, then I was not referring to you, I accused myself also....

 

[Rightlydivided]

Something about sister Tina whoever she is. Family squabble perhaps.

Thank you for helping me make my case tourist

 

[bobinfaith]

Hello brothers and sisters;

Years ago I was at a large church meeting and opened up, livid with my own serious concerns about our faith walk, and used about the same exact words as Rightlydivided, and extra verbs. Back in the 90s we didn't have electronic social media, it was live, face to face, but there was a positive end result, that to me is very close to this discussion.

Some in that meeting understood my "opening up" and others did not agree with my disposition. This thread/post is very close to that meeting;

While I was opening up, some in that discussion pointed to Jesus and others quoted scriptures. Though the scriptures fell short with me (I confessed that later), others still kept it Christ centered. This was important.

In this discussion at CC, we are still one body in Christ. But God understands we're also men and women who may not always use Christianese and be quick to quote scriptures, but the Lord knows we speak when we see something that needs to be brought out in the church.

It is what it is, and it may not be to everyone's tone, but its still equally important that some of the posts here pointed to Jesus and others quoted scriptures, keeping Him in the center.

I feel this topic was good to get out in the open, because many of us have been there. The bigger picture was those who wrote in this post gives us some new insight in our faith walk with Jesus, with each other here, our families and church community.

Thank you, Rightlydivided, and brothers and sisters for sharing your posts.

 

[Rightlydivided]

Hello brothers and sisters;

Years ago I was at a large church meeting and opened up, livid with my own serious concerns about our faith walk, and used about the same exact words as Rightlydivided, and extra verbs. Back in the 90s we didn't have electronic social media, it was live, face to face, but there was a positive end result, that to me is very close to this discussion.

Some in that meeting understood my "opening up" and others did not agree with my disposition. This thread/post is very close to that meeting;

While I was opening up, some in that discussion pointed to Jesus and others quoted scriptures. Though the scriptures fell short with me (I confessed that later), others still kept it Christ centered. This was important.

In this discussion at CC, we are still one body in Christ. But God understands we're also men and women who may not always use Christianese and be quick to quote scriptures, but the Lord knows we speak when we see something that needs to be brought out in the church.

It is what it is, and it may not be to everyone's tone, but its still equally important that some of the posts here pointed to Jesus and others quoted scriptures, keeping Him in the center.

I feel this topic was good to get out in the open, because many of us have been there. The bigger picture was those who wrote in this post gives us some new insight in our faith walk with Jesus, with each other here, our families and church community.

Thank you, Rightlydivided, and brothers and sisters for sharing your posts.

Thank you for that bobinfaith!

 

[KALYNA18]

This is what is going on in many churches, all over the country! I’ve watched relationships and families fall apart over works/repentance/fruit/judgement/gossip/treating brothers and sisters as non believers based on a shallow view.....it is why many people are getting the wrong message and not the FINISHED work of the cross

ok. This is or could be happening in many churches, but the bible said, don't be blown away with every decietful doctrine. You sound angry maybe you were another sheep hurt?

 

[KALYNA18]

Yes, I get excited, but it’s not for myself....The finished work of the cross IS being worked out through those that are “emptying their cup” enough to receive it, Churches all over are preaching “watered down grace”.

Some of us learn the hard way. Not everyone that says Lord Lord shall enter the kingdom of God. bv. Then Jesus said, "Depart from me for I never knew you. "
To be a part of the Father, to know him, to be like him, is to have his character. The fruits of the HOly Spirit. Any one could yell at the top of their heads, most of the time, it's the flesh, in action. Satan comes as an angel of light. You shall know them by their fruits. These are bible verses.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

In previous discussions, before this, there was a lot of scripture, referring to doctrine, sometimes it gets heated, and I simply wanted a conversation about issues involving our families etc....without disagreeing on doctrine and starting something that ends with walls of scripture.....I like scripture, but I also like to see how it manifests itself in our normal conversation....that’s all

Scripture will manifest itself in normal conversations as the believer feeds on it. The word of God lives in our hearts, it dwells there, and we teach, encourage, and exhort each other as it flows from our hearts to our lips to our ears. God's Word is the joy and rejoicing of our hearts and we delight in God's Word. I cannot imagine my life without God's Word. My life would be empty. I would be like that broken cistern that cannot hold water spoken of in Jeremiah 2.

I hope and pray your heart is filled with God's love and joy and peace and that you share that love of God with all you meet.

 

[Lanolin]

I think many of us quote the Bible without realising we are quoting scriptures and that is when we prophesise.

I think as far as OP goes we all need to examine ourselves whether we are in the faith.

But for those of us in the faith, the word is nigh in our hearts and close to our mouths.

And if we have a bible next to us, as I do when I go on this Bible discussion forum, God shows me that John wrote in his first letter 'who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is the anti-christ, that denieth the Father and the Son'

As far as I know, the people responding here have not denied that Jesus is the Christ. So am not sure who the OP is referring to. There are people in my own family that do not know Jesus as their Lord and Saviour and havent professed Jesus is Lord. And there are some people. I know that think Jesus is just a good man and not the son of God. Which is very sad because they believe a lie and not the truth.

 

[KALYNA18]

DID YOU FORGET WHAT YOU ARE!! Let’s have a discussion without scripture posting...let us see, from each other, what the scripture has done in our hearts....I will start with this:

YOU, are nothing!! You fall SHORT of everything!! YOU are self righteous!! You are vain!! You are envy!! You are judge mental, YOU are stuck on YOURSELF! YOU are worthless!! GOD REPENTENED OF YOU!! YOU ARE NOT WORTH 2 CENTS!! NEVER WILL BE IN THIS WORLD!!YOU ARE PATHETIC!! YOU WONT be able to look your savior in the eye!! You will feel shame!!

But yet, you have all have the answers? You are right, and your opposition is a heretic? Have you heard yourselves?? Yes!! Me too!!!
Paul would have come into these wooden churches with a SLEDGE HAMMER!! The body of Christ is under attack and most of what I see is VOID!!! Of LOVE!! Is that what the body of Christ has become!!! Shame on EVERYONE...I did not fall to my knees and give my life over to my savior to be join THIS falling away!!!WE are all liars!! envious!! adulterers!! Not ONE of us is GOOD, yet you act like the scholars you “QUOTE” have been given MORE than you!! You fall to the feet of what OTHERS have accomplished and leave the forever REVEALING WISDOM of scripture “UP TO YOUR PASTOR WHO CANT WAIT TO BOAST ABOUT HIS SEMINARY SCHOOL DEGREE!! As IF he was given something more than you!! Your pastors are liars with the rest of us!!!All you have is your Bible!! There is no mediator between you and God, but the SON...ARE YOU telling me that you are not aware of the corruption!! that I know!!that you have seen in the churches alll over this country!!?? Do you think that because you have found a pastor, that HIDES his sin better than you, that he is anything LESS than a liar? A thief? A hypocrite!!!!! MAKE EVERY MAN A LIAR!! Get out of your DOCTRINE!!, OPEN your bibles for the first time with eyes like a child!! STOP being lead like SHEEP to the slaughter!! KNOW ALL OF THIS BEFORE you sit down in your local church and get force fed something CONTRARY to what Christ taught!! ALL I SEE IS a bunch of self absorbed MEN, choking on scripture!! MOST of which was interpreted by SOMEONE ELSE!! IF YOU CAN FIND A PASTOR, THAT PREACHES THiS MESSAGE, ILL BE ThE first person in Church Sunday morning!!!

STOP PUSHING YOUR brethren away from Christ, because you heard through the grape vine, that brother Jim was seen at a bar the other night.....he must not be saved!!! Let’s WARN HIM TWICE then outcast him!!! Cause Sister Susan saw his TRUCK, better yet!! When he comes into church next week, we will have the pastor REBUKE him, while the Pastor and other members have a LOG the size of the TITANIC in their eye!!! HYPPOCRITS!! Workers of Iniquity!!! YOU NEVER KNEW HIM!!!YOU NEVER ACCEPTED THE CROSS!!! YOU STILL PREACH CONDEMNATION FROM SIN!! NOONE WILL BE jUDGED FOR SIN!! What does that tell you????IF thIs is YOU, and I know there are MANY!! Shame on you!!!

FORGET telling him that he is NO LONgER Under the jurisdiction of SIN....IT IS GONE PEOPLE!! STOP USING REPENTANCE AGAINst your brother!! You HYPOCRITES!!! HOW could you even consider answering for that, you will not even be able LOOK UP at his FACE!! Your humbleness and meekness should be obvious here, and in your life!!

YOU are secure the moment you believe!!!! It is not up to any of YOU to THINK you have anything to do with the INCREASE!!!!!!, wether through treating your brethren as a non believer, or rebuking him because of what sister Tina said.....because sister Tina is quite the political figure...she’s very social and attends every service!!!.....she can judge!!! Right??? IM TAking a BReAK!!

I know how you feel, Jesus said, you brood of vipers, adulteress, and adulteress. Did you ever consider being a Minister.

 

[Deror]

The body of Christ is under attack .... STOP being lead like SHEEP to the slaughter!! KNOW ALL OF THIS BEFORE you sit down in your local church and get force fed something CONTRARY to what Christ taught!! !!

YOU are secure the moment you believe!!!! !

Amen - we are secure the moment we believe on Christ Jesus and His finished Completed work.

Can we pray that people hear The Gospel of Jesus Christ, believe it, are saved, sealed, secured and delivered.

Can we pray that people who are seeking, and also people who say they are a Christian to know for themselves the Truth, having been taught by The Holy Spirit Himself, and not by third, fourth, or fifth hand. It is good to read The Bible for ourselves, and not just get ‘fed’ by teachers, it’s up to me to make sure what I’m being ‘fed’ is pure milk ‘n meat and not had something weird mixed in the teaching. Cos it matters.

Yet can we pray for the Pastors, preachers and teachers who have a hard enough job as it is, especially in the modern times of live-streams, since everyone has a camera and a mic these days.
Can we please pray for Pastors ‘n Preachers to endure like good soldiers, persevere and not grow weary in doing well, in the Truth of the Gospel Light and sound teaching.

If we are members of the same Body, Jesus, then if one is bent out of shape doesn’t it affect us too? I’ve witnessed an awful year. I got sick. Then had a vision of Jesus, being bent out of shape... yet as being us, His members... it was awful but helped me understand His body and others. It was upsetting. Made me realise how I treat others matters, and what I say matters. Also what I’m hearing from others matters too.

If The Body of Christ Jesus Is under attack then do I need to step up my prayer life, and pray sincerely for myself & others to remain in The Faith, in Truth in His Spirit. Even if we are being led as sheep to the slaughter, if we look to the author of our Faith, Jesus, we will be more than conquerors through Him who won the battle for us, it’s won already, Ive just gotta look to Jesus first, before peeps. Then will Jesus show me who is teaching the right thing?

Word + Word = my filter... eyes ‘n ears.. as well as discernment by His Spirit.

I honestly thought you might have spent a lot of time on YouTube after I read the OP, I had to read it a couple of times because I take it in what people say and get affected. My stomach is in knots. Now I’m wondering whether I should leave the tables where they’ve been thrown or tidy up. I can understand the outburst, righteous anger and sheer frustration, even upset, sounds like God when He spoke through Jeremiah, when He was so upset first Love, don’t leave or neglect my first love.

God bless OP, I hope you’re alright. I’m sorry. Sigh.
I need to think about this.

 

[tourist]

Thank you for helping me make my case tourist

Always my pleasure.

 

[tourist]

Alright? No scripture! Everyone knows there's no "SANITY CLAUSE!"

Sanity Clause is the jolly good fellow that passes out the gifts to all of the good little girls and boys at Christmas.

 

[tourist]

YOU are secure the moment you believe!!!!

I will give an amen to that for sure.

 

[tourist]

Hello brothers and sisters;

Years ago I was at a large church meeting and opened up, livid with my own serious concerns about our faith walk, and used about the same exact words as Rightlydivided, and extra verbs. Back in the 90s we didn't have electronic social media, it was live, face to face, but there was a positive end result, that to me is very close to this discussion.

Some in that meeting understood my "opening up" and others did not agree with my disposition. This thread/post is very close to that meeting;

While I was opening up, some in that discussion pointed to Jesus and others quoted scriptures. Though the scriptures fell short with me (I confessed that later), others still kept it Christ centered. This was important.

In this discussion at CC, we are still one body in Christ. But God understands we're also men and women who may not always use Christianese and be quick to quote scriptures, but the Lord knows we speak when we see something that needs to be brought out in the church.

It is what it is, and it may not be to everyone's tone, but its still equally important that some of the posts here pointed to Jesus and others quoted scriptures, keeping Him in the center.

I feel this topic was good to get out in the open, because many of us have been there. The bigger picture was those who wrote in this post gives us some new insight in our faith walk with Jesus, with each other here, our families and church community.

Thank you, Rightlydivided, and brothers and sisters for sharing your posts.

There is a lot of wisdom in this post.

 

[tourist]

Some of us learn the hard way. Not everyone that says Lord Lord shall enter the kingdom of God. bv. Then Jesus said, "Depart from me for I never knew you. "
To be a part of the Father, to know him, to be like him, is to have his character. The fruits of the HOly Spirit. Any one could yell at the top of their heads, most of the time, it's the flesh, in action. Satan comes as an angel of light. You shall know them by their fruits. These are bible verses.

I agree with everything you have said. Yes, you will know them by their fruits. I need more fruit of the Holy Spirit in my own life.

 

[Rightlydivided]

ok. This is or could be happening in many churches, but the bible said, don't be blown away with every decietful doctrine. You sound angry maybe you were another sheep hurt?

Hi Kalyna,

Amen - we are secure the moment we believe on Christ Jesus and His finished Completed work.

Can we pray that people hear The Gospel of Jesus Christ, believe it, are saved, sealed, secured and delivered.

Can we pray that people who are seeking, and also people who say they are a Christian to know for themselves the Truth, having been taught by The Holy Spirit Himself, and not by third, fourth, or fifth hand. It is good to read The Bible for ourselves, and not just get ‘fed’ by teachers, it’s up to me to make sure what I’m being ‘fed’ is pure milk ‘n meat and not had something weird mixed in the teaching. Cos it matters.

Yet can we pray for the Pastors, preachers and teachers who have a hard enough job as it is, especially in the modern times of live-streams, since everyone has a camera and a mic these days.
Can we please pray for Pastors ‘n Preachers to endure like good soldiers, persevere and not grow weary in doing well, in the Truth of the Gospel Light and sound teaching.

If we are members of the same Body, Jesus, then if one is bent out of shape doesn’t it affect us too? I’ve witnessed an awful year. I got sick. Then had a vision of Jesus, being bent out of shape... yet as being us, His members... it was awful but helped me understand His body and others. It was upsetting. Made me realise how I treat others matters, and what I say matters. Also what I’m hearing from others matters too.

If The Body of Christ Jesus Is under attack then do I need to step up my prayer life, and pray sincerely for myself & others to remain in The Faith, in Truth in His Spirit. Even if we are being led as sheep to the slaughter, if we look to the author of our Faith, Jesus, we will be more than conquerors through Him who won the battle for us, it’s won already, Ive just gotta look to Jesus first, before peeps. Then will Jesus show me who is teaching the right thing?

Word + Word = my filter... eyes ‘n ears.. as well as discernment by His Spirit.

I honestly thought you might have spent a lot of time on YouTube after I read the OP, I had to read it a couple of times because I take it in what people say and get affected. My stomach is in knots. Now I’m wondering whether I should leave the tables where they’ve been thrown or tidy up. I can understand the outburst, righteous anger and sheer frustration, even upset, sounds like God when He spoke through Jeremiah, when He was so upset first Love, don’t leave or neglect my first love.

God bless OP, I hope you’re alright. I’m sorry. Sigh.
I need to think about this.

Amen Deror!! Thank you for your words !! We look around, in our churches, our families, and we have become immune and desensitized to the LOVE that the Holy Spirit has been offering, I have prayed over this for awhile now, I’ve never been much for feelings, I have always been a little rough around the edges, and without empathy, Jesus Christ changed that in me with his Grace...I came to Christ with nothing but Faith, he has been working in me since the moment I believed, .Thank God a few of my brothers and sisters can read between the lines, thank God I ignored condemnation from others that didn’t believe I was walking in the faith, I held on, I gave my problems over to him, I let him work a change in me, I KNEW! It was impossible myself, it was only GRACE that saved me.

I believed in him, I continued in sin, not understanding what was happening, but I felt him with me, over time he convicted me to let go! It was only when I stopped believing what everyone was telling me, when I STOPPED going to the wrong church, when I stopped listening to those that tried to push me with human wisdom, puffed up in there OWN abilities to save a man, and forgetting it is LOVE, patience, and FAITH alone....It is allowing God the TIME to work his increase in ME, whom has been the WORST of many I have ever known..

.I should not be where I am, I finally know what it means to put my arms around my kids and actually WANT to love them and WANT their love in return! I can put my arms around my wife after 20 YEARS of a TYRANT!!and call her baby!! And actually MEAN IT!!After everyone called her CRAZY!!!for trying!!!EVEN her Church members, to think, MY WIFES CHURCH almost seduced her into giving UP!! When she looks back, she was scared at the level of judgement being thrown around...Again and again

It is unheard of what God has been working in me! And all that needed to happen was GRACE!! GRACE!! GRACE!! I KNOW the multitudes of men JUST like me, that are out there, with seemingly NO chance to get covered in the blood of Christ because SO many churches are FULL of wolves in SHEEPS clothing....My brothers, if your struggling, and you cannot find REST among men who put their own words ahead of the Holy Spirit that GOD has given you....RUN the other way and let GOD do his work he PROMISED you....DO NOT give up, DO NOT get discouraged of MEN, they are NOTHING unless YOU can see the Holy Spirt being represented in them with LOVE!! Anything less, HE IS NOT YOUR BROTHER!!!

The only scripture that makes ANY sense to the LOST is LOVE AND GRACE!! and the biblical definition should RING LOUD in their conduct, if they cannot get LOVE right, I promise you this brothers, they have no right to even speak to you!!Thank you Jesus!!for saving a wretch like ME!!

 

[Deror]

Hi Kalyna,


Amen Deror!! Thank you for your words !! We look around, in our churches, our families, and we have become immune and desensitized to the LOVE that the Holy Spirit has been offering, I have prayed over this for awhile now, I’ve never been much for feelings, I have always been a little rough around the edges, and without empathy, Jesus Christ changed that in me with his Grace...I came to Christ with nothing but Faith, he has been working in me since the moment I believed, .Thank God a few of my brothers and sisters can read between the lines, thank God I ignored condemnation from others that didn’t believe I was walking in the faith, I held on, I gave my problems over to him, I let him work a change in me, I KNEW! It was impossible myself, it was only GRACE that saved me.

I believed in him, I continued in sin, not understanding what was happening, but I felt him with me, over time he convicted me to let go! It was only when I stopped believing what everyone was telling me, when I STOPPED going to the wrong church, when I stopped listening to those that tried to push me with human wisdom, puffed up in there OWN abilities to save a man, and forgetting it is LOVE, patience, and FAITH alone....It is allowing God the TIME to work his increase in ME, whom has been the WORST of many I have ever known..

.I should not be where I am, I finally know what it means to put my arms around my kids and actually WANT to love them and WANT their love in return! I can put my arms around my wife after 20 YEARS of a TYRANT!!and call her baby!! And actually MEAN IT!!After everyone called her CRAZY!!!for trying!!!EVEN her Church members, to think, MY WIFES CHURCH almost seduced her into giving UP!! When she looks back, she was scared at the level of judgement being thrown around...Again and again

It is unheard of what God has been working in me! And all that needed to happen was GRACE!! GRACE!! GRACE!! I KNOW the multitudes of men JUST like me, that are out there, with seemingly NO chance to get covered in the blood of Christ because SO many churches are FULL of wolves in SHEEPS clothing....My brothers, if your struggling, and you cannot find REST among men who put their own words ahead of the Holy Spirit that GOD has given you....RUN the other way and let GOD do his work he PROMISED you....DO NOT give up, DO NOT get discouraged of MEN, they are NOTHING unless YOU can see the Holy Spirt being represented in them with LOVE!! Anything less, HE IS NOT YOUR BROTHER!!!

The only scripture that makes ANY sense to the LOST is LOVE AND GRACE!! and the biblical definition should RING LOUD in their conduct, if they cannot get LOVE right, I promise you this brothers, they have no right to even speak to you!!Thank you Jesus!!for saving a wretch like ME!!

Wow, I can so relate - I’d like to write back, but now I need to get some rest as it’s 1am just gone and I need to let your words settle and take them in.. you speak a lot of truth, even if many might not like it. But I’ll reply after cos I’m sleepy now. God bless you and your precious family, may His Spirit flow in your lives and His Peace be with you. Father draws us, Jesus saves us, ministers to us, grows us up, Amen covers us with His Precious Pure Cleansing Blood, Holy Spirit teaches us, comforts us, corrects us, not to nullify Pastors, ministers or preachers cos they are still much needed, and a gift to seekers and His body, but yeah so many wolves.. took me years to hear the True Gospel message even though I was seeking Jesus.. and even grew up with religion - we need to be wise, yet innocent.. even if it takes a few walks around the block.. goodnight and God Bless. Amen, ThankYou Jesus for saving a wretch like me too! Jesus did it!

 

[oldethennew]

Beware little-ones!!! - so we need to say more???

 

[Rightlydivided]

Beware little-ones!!! - so we need to say more???

Say again?