Does entering into Jesus' rest mean we're to give up the Sabbath day? Is the 4th commandment part of the moral law of God?

[JesusLives]

Sounds cool and all, but don’t you believe people should not work on the sabbath,,, by the way is that Saturday or Sunday for you?

If you can show me where in the Bible Sunday is referenced as being the Sabbath please post. Yes, a Sabbath keeper.

Are you aware that God's name is in the middle of Sabbath? Abba - Father Sabbath is his signature at the end of Creation week that He is the creator of all things and on the seventh day He rested from all His work blessed and hallowed it.

 

[Grandpa]

Galatians 3:10-12
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

How does a person remove themselves from the curse and yet still keep the sabbath?

Well, they don't. They keep the sabbath on the 7th day because the law says so. Therefore they are working at the law. Therefore they are under the curse.

There is a way out of this curse. It is by the Lord Jesus Christ. He will give you rest from your work at the law and therefore your curse.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Rest is NOT working at the law, as the judaizers and legalists try to twist it. Rest is really rest. God ceased from His Work on the 7th day. He didn't continue to work on day 8 and then rest again on day 14.

Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

 

[Sipsey]

Galatians 3:10-12
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

How does a person remove themselves from the curse and yet still keep the sabbath?

Well, they don't. They keep the sabbath on the 7th day because the law says so. Therefore they are working at the law. Therefore they are under the curse.

There is a way out of this curse. It is by the Lord Jesus Christ. He will give you rest from your work at the law and therefore your curse.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Rest is NOT working at the law, as the judaizers and legalists try to twist it. Rest is really rest. God ceased from His Work on the 7th day. He didn't continue to work on day 8 and then rest again on day 14.

Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

A little levin is all that’s needed to give one the idea that they can accomplish what 663 laws could not.

 

[Ahwatukee]

No mention of the Sabbath in them verses. If Paul had meant the Sabbath He would of mentioned it specifically. He did not. To assert that He did is to add to scripture.

No one said anything about an requirement. The issue is living in sin. If one WILLFULLY lives in sin they are not in Christ and or are grieving the Spirit.

The Sabbath is what Paul was referring to Lightbearer. Below is the context in which Paul was speaking. In the context Paul mentions one man whose faith allows him to eat everything, i.e. things that were previously forbidden to eat according to the law, but are now ok to eat if ones faith allows it. Following that, he states that one man regards one day above another (Sabbaths, feasts, etc.), events that were previously required to be observed under the law. Therefore, just because Paul did not mention the Sabbath by name, the context makes it clear that this is what he was speaking about, legal observances.

As I previously said, anyone can keep the Sabbath on whatever day he wishes. All food is acceptable if it is received with thanks giving. It is when people make it a requirement for salvation that it is a sin. And that because it puts the focus on our own efforts instead of trusting in Christ as the One who provided salvation for us, completely and fully.

Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on his opinions. 2For one man has faith to eat all things, while another, who is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The one who eats everything must not belittle the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

5One man regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who observes a special day does so to the Lord; he who eats does so to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

 

[JesusLives]

Galatians 3:10-12
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

How does a person remove themselves from the curse and yet still keep the sabbath?

Well, they don't. They keep the sabbath on the 7th day because the law says so. Therefore they are working at the law. Therefore they are under the curse.

There is a way out of this curse. It is by the Lord Jesus Christ. He will give you rest from your work at the law and therefore your curse.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Rest is NOT working at the law, as the judaizers and legalists try to twist it. Rest is really rest. God ceased from His Work on the 7th day. He didn't continue to work on day 8 and then rest again on day 14.

Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Are we working at the law when we don't lie, or kill, or take God's name in vain, or honor our mother and father or any of the other 9 commandments?

 

[PS]

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [the law does not save] it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. [Salvation comes through faith, not the law.] (Gal 3:11 KJV)

And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. (Gal 3:12 KJV) [Is bound by the law.] Christ set us free from the law.

Surely, those who preach salvation by works of the law, are insulting Jesus and his saving work. If I was Jesus I would feel like telling them to get lost, which they probably are, due to their rejection of his victory over sin and death

 

[lightbearer]

Exactly! And this is what Hebrews four discloses. Cease from our own works; rest from our physical labors for one full day.

There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbath keeping) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
(Heb 4:9-10 KJV)

How doe we cease from our own works?

As GOD did from HIS. That is the REST we are to enter. HE stopped working on the Seventh Day. So we stop working on the Seventh Day. That is how GOD did from HIS. He did not cease doing HIS own works of righteousness. . He is our righteousness through Faith; through Christ. He is Holy and so are we through the Gospel Rest.

HE STOPPED WORKING ON THE SEVENTH DAY. Plain and simple. So we stop working, and because we now stand in the righteousness of Christ through Faith we honor HIM by doing those things that are pleasing to HIS sight

And how do you rid the scarfices mentioned in the Bible yet honor the sabbath, unless you do place a knife to the throat of a lamb?

If you had nothing to post in relation to the objective facts posted in regards to Hebrews four then why post anything.
If one is experiencing the Gospel they have been forgiven and are living through Christ. No need for sacrifices for our sin. Now our sacrifices are of praise through Christ.

You posted questions without addressing the facts posted. Prove the post wrong and I will recant.

As to answer you question I hesitate to move past what was already posted. If you don't see that what is the point?

So be it....
Blotting out the handwriting to the ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(Col 2:14-16)
It was a blotting out of the handwriting to the ordinances not the ordinances themselves. And Mind you it was only those to which were against us; them that condemned us in relation to when we sinned. Not those which pointed out what sin was but those to which were against us.

The Handwriting to the ordinances is rather specific. This establishes context for which verse 16 is to be understood.. The meat, drink, holyday, new moons and sabbath days are those which are of the handwriting to the ordinances. Not of the Decalogue which was written on stone by the finger of GOD but that to which handwritten on Parchment in the book of the Law by Moses own hand.

There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbath keeping) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
(Heb 4:9-10 KJV)

How doe we cease from our own works?

As GOD did from HIS. That is the REST we are to enter. HE stopped working on the Seventh Day. So we stop working on the Seventh Day. That is how GOD did from HIS. He did not cease doing HIS own works of righteousness. . He is our righteousness through Faith; through Christ. He is Holy and so are we through the Gospel Rest.

HE STOPPED WORKING ON THE SEVENTH DAY. Plain and simple. So we stop working on the Seventh Day AS HE DID, and because we now stand in the righteousness of Christ through Faith we honor HIM by doing those things that are pleasing to HIS sight. We keep the day holy.

 

[lightbearer]

The Sabbath is what Paul was referring to Lightbearer. .

The Sabbath is not mention. You are being subjective. We must not add what is not there.

 

[gb9]

The Sabbath is not mention. You are being subjective. We must not add what is not there.

good point. since there is no N.T. command to keep the Sabbath, and since gentiles were never under the Law, then Sabbath keeping should not be pushed as a requirement for Christ followers.

as you said, do not add what is not there....

 

[lightbearer]

good point. since there is no N.T. command to keep the Sabbath, and since gentiles were never under the Law, then Sabbath keeping should not be pushed as a requirement for Christ followers.

as you said, do not add what is not there....

It is a form of lying to imply one is saying something when they are not.

There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbath keeping) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
(Heb 4:9-10 KJV)

How doe we cease from our own works?

As GOD did from HIS. That is the REST we are to enter. HE stopped working on the Seventh Day. So we stop working on the Seventh Day. That is how GOD did from HIS. He did not cease doing HIS own works of righteousness. . He is our righteousness through Faith; through Christ. He is Holy and so are we through the Gospel Rest.

HE STOPPED WORKING ON THE SEVENTH DAY. Plain and simple. So we stop working on the Seventh Day AS HE DID, and because we now stand in the righteousness of Christ through Faith we honor HIM by doing those things that are pleasing to HIS sight. We keep the day holy.

 

[LPT]

If you can show me where in the Bible Sunday is referenced as being the Sabbath please post. Yes, a Sabbath keeper.

Are you aware that God's name is in the middle of Sabbath? Abba - Father Sabbath is his signature at the end of Creation week that He is the creator of all things and on the seventh day He rested from all His work blessed and hallowed it.

Ok how about I say it like this instead of you twisting what I said,

What day of the week do you consider the sabbath? that is what I was asking not were it is written, your dodging.

 

[Grandpa]

Are we working at the law when we don't lie, or kill, or take God's name in vain, or honor our mother and father or any of the other 9 commandments?

Yes. Whenever you look to the law and then try to accomplish it you are working at the law.

When a person comes to Christ and receives rest they are dead to the law and its commands.

 

[LPT]

It is a form of lying to imply one is saying something when they are not.

There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbath keeping) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
(Heb 4:9-10 KJV)

How doe we cease from our own works?

As GOD did from HIS. That is the REST we are to enter. HE stopped working on the Seventh Day. So we stop working on the Seventh Day. That is how GOD did from HIS. He did not cease doing HIS own works of righteousness. . He is our righteousness through Faith; through Christ. He is Holy and so are we through the Gospel Rest.

HE STOPPED WORKING ON THE SEVENTH DAY. Plain and simple. So we stop working on the Seventh Day AS HE DID, and because we now stand in the righteousness of Christ through Faith we honor HIM by doing those things that are pleasing to HIS sight. We keep the day holy.

And how do you keep working as God does?

John 5
16 Now because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews began to persecute Him.
17 but Jesus answered them, “To this very day My father is at His work, and I too am working.”

 

[Grandpa]

It is a form of lying to imply one is saying something when they are not..

Then maybe you should stop.

There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbath keeping) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
(Heb 4:9-10 KJV)

How doe we cease from our own works?

As GOD did from HIS. That is the REST we are to enter. HE stopped working on the Seventh Day. So we stop working on the Seventh Day. That is how GOD did from HIS. He did not cease doing HIS own works of righteousness. . He is our righteousness through Faith; through Christ. He is Holy and so are we through the Gospel Rest.

HE STOPPED WORKING ON THE SEVENTH DAY. Plain and simple. So we stop working on the Seventh Day AS HE DID, and because we now stand in the righteousness of Christ through Faith we honor HIM by doing those things that are pleasing to HIS sight. We keep the day holy

Rest is NOT working at the law. Sabbath keeping is working at the law.

Ceasing from work is exactly that. Ceasing does NOT mean continue to work.

The REASON why Christians can cease from their work at the law is BECAUSE their work at the law will NOT make them Righteous before God.

Christians Rest from their work at the law and abide in Christ because CHRIST IS THEIR RIGHTEOUSNESS.


By going back to your work at the law you make a mockery of Christ and what He has done.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Galatians 3:11-12
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.


You are really confused. I wonder if it is by indoctrination or if you did it to yourself. Your work at the law DOES NOT honor God. If it did then there would be no need for the Lord Jesus Christ or Christianity. A prophet could have come instead and said "Continue to work at the law because it honors God and makes Him happy".

 

[mailmandan]

NOWHERE does the New Testament teach that keeping the Sabbath day is binding on Christians under the New Covenant. Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Even when Sabbatarians set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).

These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).

The word "Sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.

The Word of God makes it quite clear that Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested” (Exodus 31:16-17). *Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future Sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the Sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. *Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding Sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day” (Deuteronomy 5:15).

If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?

If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

 

[Grandpa]

NOWHERE does the New Testament teach that keeping the Sabbath day is binding on Christians under the New Covenant. Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Even when Sabbatarians set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).

These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).

The word "Sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.

The Word of God makes it quite clear that Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested” (Exodus 31:16-17). *Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future Sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the Sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. *Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding Sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day” (Deuteronomy 5:15).

If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?

If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

No one who works at ANY portion of the law really keeps it.

Only in their vain imaginations do they think so.

Its what Christians SHOULD have learned when they came to Christ.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Does it "honor" God to continually break the law that you are trying to keep? Or does that make a person lawless (not keeping a law they profess to try and keep)?

Maybe there is a better Way...

 

[PS]

How do we cease from our own works?

How do we cease from our own works? Answer, when we meet with the Father, the same as God in the flesh went to be with the Father, his life work completed.

HE STOPPED WORKING ON THE SEVENTH DAY. Plain and simple. So we stop working on the Seventh Day AS HE DID, and because we now stand in the righteousness of Christ through Faith we honor HIM by doing those things that are pleasing to HIS sight. We keep the day holy.

You said it. Your erroneous teaching would have us returning to work the next day. That is not the seventh day. Verse 16 closes the chapter in the context that is intended. The seventh day is when we stand before the throne of grace, our life work completed.

Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. (Heb 4:16 KJV)

 

[gb9]

It is a form of lying to imply one is saying something when they are not.

There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbath keeping) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
(Heb 4:9-10 KJV)

How doe we cease from our own works?

As GOD did from HIS. That is the REST we are to enter. HE stopped working on the Seventh Day. So we stop working on the Seventh Day. That is how GOD did from HIS. He did not cease doing HIS own works of righteousness. . He is our righteousness through Faith; through Christ. He is Holy and so are we through the Gospel Rest.

HE STOPPED WORKING ON THE SEVENTH DAY. Plain and simple. So we stop working on the Seventh Day AS HE DID, and because we now stand in the righteousness of Christ through Faith we honor HIM by doing those things that are pleasing to HIS sight. We keep the day holy.

let me be as clear as I can-

either Sabbath keeping is required for salvation, or it is an option that one can observe from twilight fri.- twilight sat. if they choose, or rest one day a week, as God did.

so, you guys try to present Sabbath keeping as a " optional requirement ".

newsflash- there is no such thing as a optional requirement .

it has to be one or the other . it can't be both.

 

[Grandpa]

let me be as clear as I can-

either Sabbath keeping is required for salvation, or it is an option that one can observe from twilight fri.- twilight sat. if they choose, or rest one day a week, as God did.

so, you guys try to present Sabbath keeping as a " optional requirement ".

newsflash- there is no such thing as a optional requirement .

it has to be one or the other . it can't be both.

Galatians 3:2-3
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

SDA - Yes, we are so foolish

Judaizers - Yes, we are so foolish

Legalists - Yes, we are so foolish


Is it such a good idea to follow the foolish into their ditch? If you follow the news or politics at all it sure doesn't seem like there are very many who can actually use the brain that God gave them.

 

[gb9]

Galatians 3:2-3
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

SDA - Yes, we are so foolish

Judaizers - Yes, we are so foolish

Legalists - Yes, we are so foolish


Is it such a good idea to follow the foolish into their ditch? If you follow the news or politics at all it sure doesn't seem like there are very many who can actually use the brain that God gave them.

yep, I personally am not going to be involved in anything where I have to turn my brain off to accept.

like them telling us we HAVE to keep the Sabbath, then saying keeping it has nothing to do with salvation through faith in Christ.