How do I lose my SALVATION?
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I know exactly what you mean, I have felt the same way about these same verses too, in a sense I still agree with you,(well I guess I would only be agreeing with what God said really
) it's only they have to be squared with the other verses that say "I will lose none the Father has given me", "those that went from us, were never of us", then the many that say "Lord, Lord", that He says He never knew.
Here are a few more
Hebrews 7:25
Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
John 10:29
"My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
I understand this one is really speaking of others being able to "take us" from Him, but I still think it speaks strongly to the point. And Romans 8:38-39 says the same-
For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Ephesians 4:30
Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
But then we also have the parable of the seeds sown on different soils, where all the seeds first truly reborn before they burnt up or where choked out? I honestly don't know, but what I do testify to is the power of God to change men (and women of course, I meant "mankind") and to be honest, like most debate the truth is somewhere in between. I do understand what you mean and have feel He has really just expanded my understanding of these thing more than changed them, but I do believe 100% for certain that once we are reborn, as in spiritually resurrected and reconciled to His Spirit, He will complete the good work He started within us, I believe He consistently tells us this throughout the whole bible, and I trust Him to. However just to be clear, I'm not talking about repeating a prayer and then having a pass to follow the flesh at all, I am talking about a true rebirth in the Spirit. That said I do believe He gives us clear warnings like those you've listed, especially Hebrews 6, but it says those who have "tasted" twice, it also says have "shared" in the Spirit amongst believers, so I'm not positive this speaks of one who has been truly reborn, but that's merely my opinion. Anyway point is I agree while we are still on this earth we should take care to avoid these things, especially as Christians and strive to do what pleases the Father.
I really have enjoyed this conversation, I rarely post much anymore because I honestly hate how much communication we lose with just text, and how much that promotes faceless debate. I want to speak face to face, not even on video chat, face to face, but this exchange has shown me there is still much to share through text as well. I pray you and your family have a GREAT new year, and may God draw you all ever closer every single day.
) it's only they have to be squared with the other verses that say "I will lose none the Father has given me", "those that went from us, were never of us", then the many that say "Lord, Lord", that He says He never knew.Here are a few more
Hebrews 7:25
Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
John 10:29
"My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
I understand this one is really speaking of others being able to "take us" from Him, but I still think it speaks strongly to the point. And Romans 8:38-39 says the same-
For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Ephesians 4:30
Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
But then we also have the parable of the seeds sown on different soils, where all the seeds first truly reborn before they burnt up or where choked out? I honestly don't know, but what I do testify to is the power of God to change men (and women of course, I meant "mankind") and to be honest, like most debate the truth is somewhere in between. I do understand what you mean and have feel He has really just expanded my understanding of these thing more than changed them, but I do believe 100% for certain that once we are reborn, as in spiritually resurrected and reconciled to His Spirit, He will complete the good work He started within us, I believe He consistently tells us this throughout the whole bible, and I trust Him to. However just to be clear, I'm not talking about repeating a prayer and then having a pass to follow the flesh at all, I am talking about a true rebirth in the Spirit. That said I do believe He gives us clear warnings like those you've listed, especially Hebrews 6, but it says those who have "tasted" twice, it also says have "shared" in the Spirit amongst believers, so I'm not positive this speaks of one who has been truly reborn, but that's merely my opinion. Anyway point is I agree while we are still on this earth we should take care to avoid these things, especially as Christians and strive to do what pleases the Father.
I really have enjoyed this conversation, I rarely post much anymore because I honestly hate how much communication we lose with just text, and how much that promotes faceless debate.
I want to speak face to face, not even on video chat, face to face, but this exchange has shown me there is still much to share through text as well. I pray you and your family have a GREAT new year, and may God draw you all ever closer every single day. -
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The kingdom of God is the church that Jesus set up. Once a person by regeneration has been revealed the truth of the doctrine that Jesus taught and have rejected the church and turned away (I have seen this happen with preachers who turn away and preach another doctrine for the love of a bigger salary) and when they do it is impossible for them to repent and come back to the church. They do not lose their eternal salvation, but they do lose their fellowship with God.
Doesnt Jesus say unless they repent he wont have anything to do with them, and if they are not hot or cold but lukewarm he will spit them out of his mouth? In Revelation.
But then Jesus is interceeding all the time, remember how he prayed for his twelve disciples except the son of perdition, who turned out to be Judas. He was lost. You could argue that Judas never truly believed in the first place, so it was really no loss.
But then Jesus is interceeding all the time, remember how he prayed for his twelve disciples except the son of perdition, who turned out to be Judas. He was lost. You could argue that Judas never truly believed in the first place, so it was really no loss.
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I brought up the pharisees as a counter to your argument, and you did not prove me wrong.
Lets use the example peter used, the Sow was cleaned, this is what is meant by escaping the pollution, made clean, but what happns to the Sow? He is a Sow, what do they do, they “wallow in the mire” because this is their nature.
If they were born again and no longer a Sow, they would have not went back to the mud to wallow in it and again become unclean.
Paul was saved because he stopped being a phariee, and repented in faith, he was changed,
Th fact is the pharisee knew the word, they had knowledge, by this knowledge they were not like the gentile.
As for being side tracked, again, soften your attitude, you will not last long with a cocky attitude. Most people will stop listening to you if you keep that up
Lets use the example peter used, the Sow was cleaned, this is what is meant by escaping the pollution, made clean, but what happns to the Sow? He is a Sow, what do they do, they “wallow in the mire” because this is their nature.
If they were born again and no longer a Sow, they would have not went back to the mud to wallow in it and again become unclean.
Paul was saved because he stopped being a phariee, and repented in faith, he was changed,
Th fact is the pharisee knew the word, they had knowledge, by this knowledge they were not like the gentile.
As for being side tracked, again, soften your attitude, you will not last long with a cocky attitude. Most people will stop listening to you if you keep that up
I’m thinking you may be right! I’ve often told folks, “it didn’t take me but 40 years to figure out what little I know about God.” So I guess that should lead to more patience.
Seems in Scripture when one generation figured it out, relied on God and we’re blessed, somehow the next would blow it. Maybe if we don’t seriously model & teach those behind us, we and they are in trouble.
Seems in Scripture when one generation figured it out, relied on God and we’re blessed, somehow the next would blow it. Maybe if we don’t seriously model & teach those behind us, we and they are in trouble.
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