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well, I do hope you will at least acknowledge that one day every knee will bend and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord...that means of all creation...all means all
you quote a few verses but do not put the references
what you state is not biblical, so unless you wish to state that you have received a new version of the Bible from some spiritual being and lay claim to a new order, understand that no one is already born saved
did you somehow miss the part where Jesus stayed behind in the temple while his parents searched for Him and when they finally went back, very worried, He told them He had to be about His Father's business?
seems you may not believe in the virgin birth either
so, I did a little research
are you the same marakorpa that was banned in another forum for promoting Jehovah's Witnesses?
here is a post by you from that forum
Post 355: Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:40 am
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The thought that there could be only one religion that knows the Truth is very confronting for many people. I admit that others could think that the ones that say they have the truth are arrogant and self centered.
But would you have said that back in the time of Jesus's ministry on earth, didn't Jesus give the only hope for mankind to be saved via one belief, that belief was fully explained in the Bible, and all other beliefs were condemned by Jesus and the apostles, and that condemnation is in the Bible for anyone to read.
One of the things that the Bible says about the truth is that is in unity with itself and the ones practicing this truth are in unity with each other on a loving and understanding way. Does this happen in Christendom? There is 242 different catholic denominations, and even in the local congregations there is some dissent at some of the teachings, in other words, there is little unity, and this applies to most of the religions of the world.
This lack of unity goes even further and is exacerbated by various local rites and pagan rituals being allowed under the umbrella of many so called Christian religions, this is not unity, is it?
Other matters of Christian origin are lost in Christendom and tradition is favored over scripture. Christendom bows to the masses instead of the clergy sticking to Bible principles and not budging because of local pressure as they do these days.
I will now say this: There are about 8 million dedicated JWs in the world, and many more who are studying the Bible with brothers and sisters.
You are not considered a JW until you are going out witnessing and are baptized, it is not like other religions where you are baptized as a baby with a splash of water on the head and then forevermore considered to be of that religion.
The entire world wide organization is unified, and a JW can go from one country to another and they will be up to date on the lessons, talks, ministery schools and all the information will be exactly the same as it is at home, maybe in a different language but still the same.
They are, at lest, Unified.
here is the source
if I should not post a link to this other forum, the mods can remove it. not sure if it is ok or not, but the fact remains, seems we have a JW trying to convince us that Christianity is not correct. the sp mistakes are all markorpa's
actually unless there are a dozen marakorpa's let loose on the net, you have been quite busy...evangelizing as a JW
you quote a few verses but do not put the references
what you state is not biblical, so unless you wish to state that you have received a new version of the Bible from some spiritual being and lay claim to a new order, understand that no one is already born saved
did you somehow miss the part where Jesus stayed behind in the temple while his parents searched for Him and when they finally went back, very worried, He told them He had to be about His Father's business?
seems you may not believe in the virgin birth either
so, I did a little research
are you the same marakorpa that was banned in another forum for promoting Jehovah's Witnesses?
here is a post by you from that forum
Like this post (1): onewithhim
The thought that there could be only one religion that knows the Truth is very confronting for many people. I admit that others could think that the ones that say they have the truth are arrogant and self centered.
But would you have said that back in the time of Jesus's ministry on earth, didn't Jesus give the only hope for mankind to be saved via one belief, that belief was fully explained in the Bible, and all other beliefs were condemned by Jesus and the apostles, and that condemnation is in the Bible for anyone to read.
One of the things that the Bible says about the truth is that is in unity with itself and the ones practicing this truth are in unity with each other on a loving and understanding way. Does this happen in Christendom? There is 242 different catholic denominations, and even in the local congregations there is some dissent at some of the teachings, in other words, there is little unity, and this applies to most of the religions of the world.
This lack of unity goes even further and is exacerbated by various local rites and pagan rituals being allowed under the umbrella of many so called Christian religions, this is not unity, is it?
Other matters of Christian origin are lost in Christendom and tradition is favored over scripture. Christendom bows to the masses instead of the clergy sticking to Bible principles and not budging because of local pressure as they do these days.
I will now say this: There are about 8 million dedicated JWs in the world, and many more who are studying the Bible with brothers and sisters.
You are not considered a JW until you are going out witnessing and are baptized, it is not like other religions where you are baptized as a baby with a splash of water on the head and then forevermore considered to be of that religion.
The entire world wide organization is unified, and a JW can go from one country to another and they will be up to date on the lessons, talks, ministery schools and all the information will be exactly the same as it is at home, maybe in a different language but still the same.
They are, at lest, Unified.
here is the source
if I should not post a link to this other forum, the mods can remove it. not sure if it is ok or not, but the fact remains, seems we have a JW trying to convince us that Christianity is not correct. the sp mistakes are all markorpa's
actually unless there are a dozen marakorpa's let loose on the net, you have been quite busy...evangelizing as a JW
So what do you do when you find something on another forum that sounds like you have made a coo, like a Pilkenton Agent seeking out some damnable criminal. I can envisage you now, giggling in your gruel as you feel that the wonderful you will become famous in the eyes of those that do not know fame. You are a legend in your own eyes. Bravo, but not what you think. I do hope the administrators of this forum realise that I have much to say that will burn the ears of those that think they will be saved to sit on a cloud playing the harp...or maybe they have some grandiose idea of what they will be doing in the heavenly realm where they will be subjective to myriads of angels.
If God wants Hell to give up all the souls in them they will give them up.. They have to be given up on the day of the resurrection for the day of the final judgement.. All people are going to be raised from the dead to face judgement on that day and that includes all the people in hell..
Once i see people using human interpretations espousing Greek and Hebrew knowledge they have got second hand out of some questionable book or supposed Greek or Hebrew ""expert"" then i reject what they are trying to feed me right away.. I do not place my eternal security on some fallible guy who produced a Lexicon..
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I don't think JWs are a denomination. To be a denomination would mean to be part of the christian body. The teachings of JWs is so erroneous and some down right heretical that they are in stark contradiction to the body of Christian believers.
I know you will stake claim to proper theology claiming all others are wrong, but that only underlines my point.
And it's not an hate or judgment or bigotry to say so. It's the truth. If you have a negative reaction to the truth it's because your relationship to the truth.
I know you will stake claim to proper theology claiming all others are wrong, but that only underlines my point.
And it's not an hate or judgment or bigotry to say so. It's the truth. If you have a negative reaction to the truth it's because your relationship to the truth.
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no you cannot envisage me. your response gives you away
God looks on the heart...how is yours doing?
apparently you may think it is wrong to be a JW considering the response you gave
actually God says no one can imagine the wonderful things He has prepared for those who love Him...I play guitar...no harps
you might call those who are not JW goats, but that is not what God calls us...we are His sons and daughters because of the sacrifice of His Son
the Watchtower is a cult
Greetings marakorpa,
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
The consequences for those who die in their sin is eternal separation from God in the lake of fire, because as king David proclaim when he committed adultery against Uriah with Bathsheba and murder, he said to God, "against you alone have I sinned."
God has set the punishment for sinning against a Holy, Righteous and Eternal God. But, as the scripture above proclaims, He also provided a way out of those consequences by having faith in His Son who lived a perfect sinless life as a human being, fulfilling the law and satisfying it completely.
The threat of geenna (lake of fire) is not a tool, but is the consequences for those who continue in sin and reject God's provision for salvation. For those who believe, they are credited with righteousness and are reconciled to God. Christ was held accountable for their sins. For those who do not believe, they will be held accountable for their own sins, because they will have not trusted in Christ for the payment of their sins. As the scripture states:
"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them."
God is indeed a gracious and loving God, but that ends once a person has died in their sins, because they died in their sins and their record is sealed.
Grace, mercy and love are all attributes of God, but so is Holiness and righteousness. Therefore, when people reject God's provision for salvation and die in their sins, they will be judged for every idle word, every evil thought and every act of sin that they ever committed, the consequences of which are eternal separation from God in the lake of fire.
Just as the angels whom God created and who sinned against Him are resigned to the lake of fire for eternity, so also will His creation of mankind who die in their sins suffer the same fate.
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
The consequences for those who die in their sin is eternal separation from God in the lake of fire, because as king David proclaim when he committed adultery against Uriah with Bathsheba and murder, he said to God, "against you alone have I sinned."
God has set the punishment for sinning against a Holy, Righteous and Eternal God. But, as the scripture above proclaims, He also provided a way out of those consequences by having faith in His Son who lived a perfect sinless life as a human being, fulfilling the law and satisfying it completely.
The threat of geenna (lake of fire) is not a tool, but is the consequences for those who continue in sin and reject God's provision for salvation. For those who believe, they are credited with righteousness and are reconciled to God. Christ was held accountable for their sins. For those who do not believe, they will be held accountable for their own sins, because they will have not trusted in Christ for the payment of their sins. As the scripture states:
"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them."
God is indeed a gracious and loving God, but that ends once a person has died in their sins, because they died in their sins and their record is sealed.
Grace, mercy and love are all attributes of God, but so is Holiness and righteousness. Therefore, when people reject God's provision for salvation and die in their sins, they will be judged for every idle word, every evil thought and every act of sin that they ever committed, the consequences of which are eternal separation from God in the lake of fire.
Just as the angels whom God created and who sinned against Him are resigned to the lake of fire for eternity, so also will His creation of mankind who die in their sins suffer the same fate.
Marakorpa said, “In my humble opinion a person accepts what Jesus proclaimed, not accepts Jesus himself.”
I find that to be a telling statement, you also state He was a “created” being. When Jesus asked His disciple Peter who the people thought He was and then asked who the disciple thought He was, Peter answered correctly. Later when asked again by His followers if they could see God, His answer was compelling.
You seem to have an unorthodox view of Jesus, which in turn skews many other doctrines. In John Jesus said, “Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?”
We all will come before Jesus, and our answer to who He is, will determine where our eternal life is lived.
I find that to be a telling statement, you also state He was a “created” being. When Jesus asked His disciple Peter who the people thought He was and then asked who the disciple thought He was, Peter answered correctly. Later when asked again by His followers if they could see God, His answer was compelling.
You seem to have an unorthodox view of Jesus, which in turn skews many other doctrines. In John Jesus said, “Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?”
We all will come before Jesus, and our answer to who He is, will determine where our eternal life is lived.
Yes God is not merciless.
I would say the one (The spirit of lies) who brought the death sentence hell a "living work" of suffering and then the temporal flesh returns to the dust as his temporal corrupted spirit returns to God who gave it for a short period .
Better things accompany salvation. Christian receive rest (Sabbath) from that work if they do not harden their hearts in un-belief (no faith) they will be raised on the last day to receive their new bodies. The others will not se new life. They have no new spirit that could never die and therefore cannot be raised . The smoke will rise for a twinkling of the eye.
I would say the one (The spirit of lies) who brought the death sentence hell a "living work" of suffering and then the temporal flesh returns to the dust as his temporal corrupted spirit returns to God who gave it for a short period .
Better things accompany salvation. Christian receive rest (Sabbath) from that work if they do not harden their hearts in un-belief (no faith) they will be raised on the last day to receive their new bodies. The others will not se new life. They have no new spirit that could never die and therefore cannot be raised . The smoke will rise for a twinkling of the eye.
What is it with people that call themselves Christian, who condemn anything that does not suit their way of thinking. It only shows, to me, that they have no faith in what they believe themselves and can only support their thoughts by dragging other folk's thought down to that level.
Honestly, if this is really a Christian forum, how about a little Christian love and acceptance.
Honestly, if this is really a Christian forum, how about a little Christian love and acceptance.
The 23 minutes or the three day work of faith of living suffering called "Hell"? The dead cannot suffer.They have no means.
Jonah 2 King James Version (KJV) Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly,And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
What can be applied to Jonah must also apply to the Son of man, Jesus . God cannot die. Its all one sign as a wonder. The last.
Jonah 2 King James Version (KJV) Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly,And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
What can be applied to Jonah must also apply to the Son of man, Jesus . God cannot die. Its all one sign as a wonder. The last.
I agree, God, the creator of ALL things cannot die, however, his only begotten son, the first of all creation as the bible tells us, was not immortal until he rose to the heavenly realm after his death as a ransom sacrifice for the sin of Adam. A perfect man sinning and the ransom of a perfect man to redeem the sin of Adam.
Immortal God remains without mother or father beginning of Spirit life or end thereof.
God is not a man as us.
The Son of man Jesus after he shed his temporal corrupted flesh and informs us that even though some did know Him after the flesh which he rejected that from the moment he returned to the previous to the glory as the Son of God. Today we are to know him not anymore. The one time demonstration of the unseen Spirt is all that was promised. Again God is no man as us .Never could be.
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. 2 Corinthians 5:16
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Why glorify the flesh?
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
