Hell!

[marakorpa]

About Hell, I am saying the finite mind, ignorant to matter, and energy wouldn’t be able to comprehend what the reality of an afterlife void of God would be. To give a location and perceivable punishments, the simple mind can grasp there are consequences for not following our Creator in this life.

There are some religions that believe in the reality of the afterlife. Many Indian creeds do not have an infinite god but accept animals as some transitional footstool to an afterlife.

Of course, reincarnation goes through the process without any direction from a supreme being, however, my question for that is: Who did the first incarnate reincarnate to?

 

[Hungry]

There are some religions that believe in the reality of the afterlife. Many Indian creeds do not have an infinite god but accept animals as some transitional footstool to an afterlife.

Of course, reincarnation goes through the process without any direction from a supreme being, however, my question for that is: Who did the first incarnate reincarnate to?

If you ask me, reincarnation would be Hell (figuratively not literally).

My actual take on “Hell” is this: We have an internal soul, fully conscious apart from the body. The body is our transportation here. We are given this to do the work of God, being His hands and feet. It is through this body we experience pleasure and happiness. These are chemical and neurological responses. Without a brain and body, we have no ability to feel anything. At the resurrection and rebuilding of the new earth, those who served God with this vessel, will get a new one, Adam 2.0. Those who served their flesh, will not get a new body. They will never be able to feel anything, I believe that’s what the “unclean spirits” are that possessed people in the Bible were. They are disembodied souls, of an abomination (maybe the Nephalim) trapped in nothingness, hoping to possess a vessel in order to receive sensation once again. When our vessels are in a certain state, our souls are weakened and permit access.

 

[marakorpa]

If you ask me, reincarnation would be Hell (figuratively not literally).

My actual take on “Hell” is this: We have an internal soul, fully conscious apart from the body. The body is our transportation here. We are given this to do the work of God, being His hands and feet. It is through this body we experience pleasure and happiness. These are chemical and neurological responses. Without a brain and body, we have no ability to feel anything. At the resurrection and rebuilding of the new earth, those who served God with this vessel, will get a new one, Adam 2.0. Those who served their flesh, will not get a new body. They will never be able to feel anything, I believe that’s what the “unclean spirits” are that possessed people in the Bible were. They are disembodied souls, of an abomination (maybe the Nephalim) trapped in nothingness, hoping to possess a vessel in order to receive sensation once again. When our vessels are in a certain state, our souls are weakened and permit access.

This is where we differ. I believe that we are a soul, a living soul and when we die we are a dead soul with no feeling, sight, memory or as Solomon explained. If his explanation was not correct and others in the bible God would not have allowed the entry in his Book that is for learning,
2 Timothy 3:16-17 King James Version (KJV)

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

And the Bible also says that 'Interpretation belongs to God'. No matter how good the secular scholars think they are, they often get it wrong, however, if they are sincere and pray to the Heavenly Father through his only begotten son God will show the way. That's what I think.

When God created man there was no need for a soul as man was to live forever on a paradise earth. The angels are not immortal, Jesus was not given immortality until he rose to the Heavenly Realm after his murder by the Jews. ANd because God is a legal God he cannot take immortality form those who have been given the wonderful blessing, but they are not given an immortal soul they are given a spiritual condition, as was the man, Jesus when he entered the Heavens the second time.

Has God Almighty got a soul? This separate existence that is supposed to exist in our bodies.

 

[Deade]

When God created man there was no need for a soul as man was to live forever on a paradise earth. The angels are not immortal, Jesus was not given immortality until he rose to the Heavenly Realm after his murder by the Jews. ANd because God is a legal God he cannot take immortality form those who have been given the wonderful blessing, but they are not given an immortal soul they are given a spiritual condition, as was the man, Jesus when he entered the Heavens the second time.

Has God Almighty got a soul? This separate existence that is supposed to exist in our bodies.

I don't know where you get all this information. You are off on angels not having immortality, they are spirit and immortal until God takes it away from them. Pre-incarnate Jesus had immortality before He came to earth as a man.

Your first sentence about man not having a soul is confusing. Soul is usually attributed to our spirit. Man has a spirit but it is not immortal. When we die our spirit is asleep and somehow preserved by God. Our bodies just break down into the elements that formed it. Most on here will fight you on this, as they think they are already immortal.

I do not believe in an eternal place of torment most call hell. Like you said, before they added to the meanings hades and sheol simply meant the grave. Also, no man has gone or is going to heaven. At least not until after the millennial rule. Heaven (God's abode) is coming to earth. There is already a heavenly realm on the earth full of angels and demons. Romans 6:23 tells us the wages of sin is death. Death is just what it means death. You cease to be. Poof, you are gone. Even those called of God sleep until Christ comes back. We are given immortality at His coming.

1 Cor. 15:23 "But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."

1 Thess. 2:19 "For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?"

1 John 2:28 "And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming."

 

[Sipsey]

Reading these assertions in this thread bring to mind a particular verse.
James 3:1-
Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness.

 

[marakorpa]

I don't know where you get all this information. You are off on angels not having immortality, they are spirit and immortal until God takes it away from them. Pre-incarnate Jesus had immortality before He came to earth as a man.

Your first sentence about man not having a soul is confusing. Soul is usually attributed to our spirit. Man has a spirit but it is not immortal. When we die our spirit is asleep and somehow preserved by God. Our bodies just break down into the elements that formed it. Most on here will fight you on this, as they think they are already immortal.

I do not believe in an eternal place of torment most call hell. Like you said, before they added to the meanings hades and sheol simply meant the grave. Also, no man has gone or is going to heaven. At least not until after the millennial rule. Heaven (God's abode) is coming to earth. There is already a heavenly realm on the earth full of angels and demons. Romans 6:23 tells us the wages of sin is death. Death is just what it means death. You cease to be. Poof, you are gone. Even those called of God sleep until Christ comes back. We are given immortality at His coming.

Where is your scriptural proof on the heavenly realm on earth, full of angels and demons, and Satan, I presume, something like the Hell that ain't?

1 Cor. 15:23 "But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."

1 Thess. 2:19 "For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?"

1 John 2:28 "And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming."

Are you sure that you know the meaning of immortal? Just in case you don't, it means that one cannot die, and as God is a legal God (One who makes decisions legally rather than randomly) He too is bound by the meaning of immortality.

When The Almighty created Jesus, or as he was known, The Word, the Word was mortal. Jesus had to be mortal or he could not have been the perfect Ransom Sacrifice for the sins of the (perfect) Adam. These things are just reason and really common sense.

Of course, if you try to confuse the issue with the trinity Theory, a theory that only came into existence 300 years after the presence of the Christ on earth, then you will get all sorts of illegal arguments cropping up.

 

[marakorpa]

When one looks a the various origins of the concept of immortality it is clearly seen that it was a concept from an early age, and deeply embraced by the practices of paganism. In fact, what did Satan tell Eve and then Eve told Adam? He, Satan, is the creator of the lie, and the first lie was "You will surely not die, You will become like Gods" What more do you want? Mankind has since perpetuated this lie down through the generations.

 

[kaylagrl]

Are you sure that you know the meaning of immortal? Just in case you don't, it means that one cannot die, and as God is a legal God (One who makes decisions legally rather than randomly) He too is bound by the meaning of immortality.

When The Almighty created Jesus, or as he was known, The Word, the Word was mortal. Jesus had to be mortal or he could not have been the perfect Ransom Sacrifice for the sins of the (perfect) Adam. These things are just reason and really common sense.

Of course, if you try to confuse the issue with the trinity Theory, a theory that only came into existence 300 years after the presence of the Christ on earth, then you will get all sorts of illegal arguments cropping up.

Excuse me,when the Almighty "created" Jesus?! Jesus is a created being? Let's start there.

 

[Deade]

marakorpa said: Where is your scriptural proof on the heavenly realm on earth, full of angels and demons, and Satan, I presume, something like the Hell that ain't?

The following talks of heaven, then proceeds to describe events on earth (in the heavenly realm).

Rev. 12:1-4 "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born."

Can there be earthquakes in heaven?

Rev. 11:19 "And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."

 

[bygrace]

Mentions Hell in the KJV, however, what is the definition of Hell, or Hades in the language of the time.

You seem convinced that there is this hell of torment, could you explain it further. Can you get out of Hell once you are there? Tricky Question!!

can you get out of being dead once you are? Not a tricky question, it is an irrelevant one. Hell is real Jesus explained the eternal torment of the place known as hell. It is nothing but pride of some who think they can speak against the very words of our Lord and say what HE said is not true. How one feels about the eternal place of hell or how they cannot see God doing such a thing now past judgment on Gods judgment or now think they can question God and His judgment? Foolishness and arrogance.