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TruthTalk

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Oh Cool maybe I can also direct him to my ceiling fans the need it too lol 😂
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Price of cleaning per fan blade: $1,000.000.00 US Dollars....:)
If you are a friend; add $1,000.000.00..:)
 

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Lo I had to look it up it’s daylight Savings time .
We don’t do it here in Arizona. I totally forgot about it .
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VCO

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no one thinks a dog gives birth to a cat.

the idea is that something like both a dog and like a cat ((i don't even know if these are considered in the same tree)) had children some of which were ever so slightly more catlike and some of which were ever so slightly doglike. after 100,000 iterations of some of the slightly more doglike offspring getting together and some of the slightly more catlike offspring doing the same, the slightly more catlike eventually become a whole lot more catlike and hardly resemble the more doglike branch anymore. a million generations later you can't even tell they came from the same ancestors hundreds of millions of years prior.

one of the reasons the world ridicules us instead of listening is that we tend to speak as if we have no idea what we're talking about.

there are over 300 recognized breeds of dog in the world today. how many breeds of dog did Moses take on the ark? or did he only have some kind of wolf?
That is just a Metaphor, for when EVOLUTIONIST were DESPERATELY searching for the MISSING LINKS Between SPECIES. When I was in High School, in 1965, my Biology Teacher TAUGHT Evolution AS A SCIENTIFIC FACT, despite that NONE OF THE MISSING LINKS HAD BEEN FOUND. She justified it by saying "It is just a Matter of Time before they FIND some of these MISSING LINKS." And NOW according to Ariel82, the once avid supporters of the MISSING LINKS Theory, have changed their views, WITHOUT EVER ADMITTING THEY WERE WRONG, and now CALL hybrid offspring to be THE NEW EVOLUTION. SO NOW THEY HAVE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE, so as to SAVE some Face, because of the complete failure their MISSING LINKS ORIGINAL THEORIES.

If you have never heard of the "NEBRASKA MAN" disaster to the Scientific Community, check our my Post #75,717 on page 3786.
 

Magenta

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one of the reasons the world ridicules us instead of listening is that we tend to speak as if we have no idea what we're talking about.

there are over 300 recognized breeds of dog in the world today. how many breeds of dog did Moses Noah take on the ark? or did he only have some kind of wolf?
One! :)

Now, there are about 340 breeds recognized by the Fédération Cynologique Internationale (FCI), the world governing body of dog breeds, sometimes known as the World Canine Organization. But the standards for breed recognition vary from country to country – the American Kennel Club currently recognizes only 167 breeds. :D
 

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no one thinks a dog gives birth to a cat.

the idea is that something like both a dog and like a cat ((i don't even know if these are considered in the same tree)) had children some of which were ever so slightly more catlike and some of which were ever so slightly doglike. after 100,000 iterations of some of the slightly more doglike offspring getting together and some of the slightly more catlike offspring doing the same, the slightly more catlike eventually become a whole lot more catlike and hardly resemble the more doglike branch anymore. a million generations later you can't even tell they came from the same ancestors hundreds of millions of years prior.

one of the reasons the world ridicules us instead of listening is that we tend to speak as if we have no idea what we're talking about.

there are over 300 recognized breeds of dog in the world today. how many breeds of dog did Moses take on the ark? or did he only have some kind of wolf?

I hate that five minute edit rule.

Forgot to answer your last question.

I suspect, it had to be a pair of GREY WOLVES, as all dogs today have a DNA relation to be from that family.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dogs-99-percent-wolf/


That means MY dog SARAH, was Born with DNA from a Grey Wolf:







Hard to believe, but it is TRUE.
 

VCO

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LOOK AT WHAT I JUST FOUND!

MAKES FOOLISHNESS out of everyone who believes their works should count as part of their SALVATION.


1 Corinthians 1:30-31 (NRSV)
30 He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
31 in order that, as it is written, "Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord."
 

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I hate that five minute edit rule.

Forgot to answer your last question.

I suspect, it had to be a pair of GREY WOLVES, as all dogs today have a DNA relation to be from that family.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dogs-99-percent-wolf/


That means MY dog SARAH, was Born with DNA from a Grey Wolf:







Hard to believe, but it is TRUE.
so, you also believe in evolution.
macro-evolution, at least, in some form.

hard to believe but it's true! :D

it's many of the hypothesis people have made about the origin of 'species' ((or Biblically 'types')) that you disagree with - and i do too btw - and many godless theories of origin, that are commonly, wrongly conflated with 'evolution'

what i actually believe makes sense about dogs is the same as you & purple lady, that NOAH only needed to take one set of pairs of animals not unlike a grey wolf onto the ark, and in that animals DNA every kind of dog that came after it was already encoded, waiting to be expressed at the right time. that God has 'built-in' everything that makes an African elephant into a wooly mammoth, so that it doesn't take 30 million years of random accidental mutations to put it together, it would only takes a trigger, and creatures can adapt over a much shorter number of generations, a number sufficiently small to keep up with a change in environment and prevent extinction - the math is different if life has been designed.
 
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Lo I had to look it up it’s daylight Savings time .
We don’t do it here in Arizona. I totally forgot about it .
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I personally think it is ignorant............split the difference and never change it again........
 
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TruthTalk

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One! :)

Now, there are about 340 breeds recognized by the Fédération Cynologique Internationale (FCI), the world governing body of dog breeds, sometimes known as the World Canine Organization. But the standards for breed recognition vary from country to country – the American Kennel Club currently recognizes only 167 breeds. :D
Thank you Magenta, posthuman, VCO and all who have contributed to this discussion on the correct biblical interpretation of Genesis and the origins of humanity and our four legged best friend, "SARA"......:)

Possibly many like myself are engaged in "learning" about this subject of creationism verses evolution. So thank you and God bless you for your contributions.
 

VCO

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so, you also believe in evolution.
macro-evolution, at least, in some form.


hard to believe but it's true! :D

it's many of the hypothesis people have made about the origin of 'species' ((or Biblically 'types')) that you disagree with - and i do too btw - and many godless theories of origin, that are commonly, wrongly conflated with 'evolution'

what i actually believe makes sense about dogs is the same as you & purple lady, that NOAH only needed to take one set of pairs of animals not unlike a grey wolf onto the ark, and in that animals DNA every kind of dog that came after it was already encoded, waiting to be expressed at the right time. that God has 'built-in' everything that makes an African elephant into a wooly mammoth, so that it doesn't take 30 million years of random accidental mutations to put it together, it would only takes a trigger, and creatures can adapt over a much shorter number of generations, a number sufficiently small to keep up with a change in environment and prevent extinction - the math is different if life has been designed.

NOT IN THE LEAST! But I only count the ORIGINAL THEORY of MISSING LINKS, as the Legitimate Evolutionary Theory. This SO CALLED modern day Evolution, is JUST A COPE OUT, so the Scientists could have some kind of proof, so SCIENTISTS did not have to face the RIDICULE of a NON-EXISTANT MISSING LINK THEORY. THEY JUST RE-NAMED what EVERY FARM BOY and EVERY HORSE RACING STABLE BOY KNOWS as HYBRIDIZATION and it has been called that for at least a couple of centuries.
 

VCO

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Could someone who believes they can lose their salvation (I just lost it at the store a couple days ago...) answer this?

WHY does it say HATH eternal life. PRESENT TENSE? Why does it say that, if we dont even know if we have it until we go to the other side and see where Jesus puts us in?

Btw if I believed like that ^ I would stop being a christian immediately. Because im not going to waste my life here GAMBLING my salvation to see if I did good enough to earn it, only to then not make the cut in the end.

I believe you need to KNOW present tense that you're saved. Right now. Not gamble and wait and see

That is why the BOOK OF 1 JOHN was written:

1 John 2:3 (NRSV)
3 Now by this we may be sure that we know him, if we obey his commandments.

That does not MEAN PERFECTION, the verb OBEY is in the GREEK Present Tense, implying an on going Lifestyle of obeying or keeping HIS commandments. In other words it is saying IF WE KEEP ON STRIVING TO OBEY OR KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS, THEN WE CAN KNOW FOR SURE WE KNOW HIM.

Here is another:

1 John 2:5 (NRSV)
5 but whoever obeys his word, truly in this person the love of God has reached perfection. By this we may be sure that we are in him:

also look for assurance in these verses:

1 John 3:14-19 (NRSV)
14 We know that we have passed from death to life because we love one another. Whoever does not love abides in death.
15 All who hate a brother or sister are murderers, and you know that murderers do not have eternal life abiding in them.
16 We know love by this, that he laid down his life for us—and we ought to lay down our lives for one another.
17 How does God's love abide in anyone who has the world's goods and sees a brother or sister in need and yet refuses help?
18 Little children, let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action.
19 And by this we will know that we are from the truth and will reassure our hearts before him
 

TruthTalk

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That is why the BOOK OF 1 JOHN was written:

1 John 2:3 (NRSV)
3 Now by this we may be sure that we know him, if we obey his commandments.

That does not MEAN PERFECTION, the verb OBEY is in the GREEK Present Tense, implying an on going Lifestyle of obeying or keeping HIS commandments. In other words it is saying IF WE KEEP ON STRIVING TO OBEY OR KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS, THEN WE CAN KNOW FOR SURE WE KNOW HIM.

Here is another:

1 John 2:5 (NRSV)
5 but whoever obeys his word, truly in this person the love of God has reached perfection. By this we may be sure that we are in him:

also look for assurance in these verses:

1 John 3:14-19 (NRSV)
14 We know that we have passed from death to life because we love one another. Whoever does not love abides in death.
15 All who hate a brother or sister are murderers, and you know that murderers do not have eternal life abiding in them.
16 We know love by this, that he laid down his life for us—and we ought to lay down our lives for one another.
17 How does God's love abide in anyone who has the world's goods and sees a brother or sister in need and yet refuses help?
18 Little children, let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action.
19 And by this we will know that we are from the truth and will reassure our hearts before him
Amen! VCO, the bible say's we have the "comfort of the scriptures" Rom15:4, that give true believers assurance of our "Eternal Life." Another verse from the Book of 1st John say's; "These things I have written, so that "you may know", that you have eternal life." Personally I kept these words with me when I was a babe in Christ and the fact still remains with me today; the bible say's that, "you may know", that "you have 'eternal life."

Of course I only get a little excited when I read these wonderful words that, "you may know", that you have, "Eternal Life" and of course the reality of this TRUTH remains with each and every believer TODAY...:)
God bless!

Romans15:4
"For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and "comfort of the scriptures" might have hope.

1John5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.