Is there a difference between the Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost?
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1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit [pneuma] and soul [psychē] and body [sōma] be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
The word pneuma is used 385 times as follows:
133 – Capital "S" Spirit
153 – lower case "s" spirit
1 – spiritual
2 – ghost
1 – life
1 – wind
1 – spirituality
4 – Holy Spirit
89 – Holy Ghost
385
The word pneuma is used 385 times as follows:
133 – Capital "S" Spirit
153 – lower case "s" spirit
1 – spiritual
2 – ghost
1 – life
1 – wind
1 – spirituality
4 – Holy Spirit
89 – Holy Ghost
385
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I can undstand that the English language is probably one of the last languages to be formed. But I can't help but wonder when things were translated into Greek or what ever, can they be trusted.
does anything with Greek religion have influence, what I mean is I see a lot of folks say the Greek language is the language to go by when understanding bible meanings but the Greek society that language comes from use to believed in multible gods and the like, how much can we trust meanings that come from a language that didn't really support one God long ago. modern times probably isn't a issue I guess but I'm not sure but 2000 yrs ago I don't know did they really have a word or words for Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost sum 2000yrs ago.
does anything with Greek religion have influence, what I mean is I see a lot of folks say the Greek language is the language to go by when understanding bible meanings but the Greek society that language comes from use to believed in multible gods and the like, how much can we trust meanings that come from a language that didn't really support one God long ago. modern times probably isn't a issue I guess but I'm not sure but 2000 yrs ago I don't know did they really have a word or words for Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost sum 2000yrs ago.
The message of the bible, with the exception of we are sinners and need a savior, is contained in the spirit of the words and not in the letter. Ex. The KJV translators translated Pneuma as Holy Spirit 7 times (representing completeness) but its translated Holy Ghost 90 times (representing fruit bearing). This was done purposely to tie those numbers to the words. Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit are the same.
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The old Testament was written in Hebrew and Aramaic a close cousin to Hebrew. The new Testament was written in Judean Koine Greek. The fact that it is Judean means the Greek gods were left out! We have a complete Greek new Testament dated to 400 from Babylon. There are fragments dating earlier. The Bible has way more ancient manuscripts and fragments than any other book written in antiquity. Thousands compared to a hundred or so if that many of other works.
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speaking about the OT I read this about the LXX,, I had no idea this happened way back when Just found it interesting and wonder why it was done.
In the most ancient copies of the Bible which contain the Septuagint version of the Old Testament, the Book of Daniel is not the original Septuagint version, but instead is a copy of Theodotion's translation from the Hebrew, which more closely resembles the Masoretic text. The Septuagint version was discarded in favor of Theodotion's version in the 2nd to 3rd centuries CE. In Greek-speaking areas, this happened near the end of the 2nd century, and in Latin-speaking areas (at least in North Africa), it occurred in the middle of the 3rd century. History does not record the reason for this, and St. Jerome reports, in the preface to the Vulgate version of Daniel, This thing 'just' happened. Several Old Greek texts of the Book of Daniel have been rediscovered recently and work is ongoing in reconstructing the original form of the book.
In the most ancient copies of the Bible which contain the Septuagint version of the Old Testament, the Book of Daniel is not the original Septuagint version, but instead is a copy of Theodotion's translation from the Hebrew, which more closely resembles the Masoretic text. The Septuagint version was discarded in favor of Theodotion's version in the 2nd to 3rd centuries CE. In Greek-speaking areas, this happened near the end of the 2nd century, and in Latin-speaking areas (at least in North Africa), it occurred in the middle of the 3rd century. History does not record the reason for this, and St. Jerome reports, in the preface to the Vulgate version of Daniel, This thing 'just' happened. Several Old Greek texts of the Book of Daniel have been rediscovered recently and work is ongoing in reconstructing the original form of the book.
Well, if you are going to define the Spirit as pneuma [G4154] which in the Greek means; a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; then you are equating God to the wind. In fact the analogy of the Spirit and the wind is used in John 3:8.
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Of course, you can't hear the wind but rather what you hear is the sound of moving air molecules since the wind is the force that produces the motion of the air molecules that formed the firmament. But of course, the wind is produced from the visible light emitted from the celestial body we call the Sun.
So if God is pnuema, seeing that God is a Spirit according to John 4:24, and if the Spirit is pnuema then the Spirit of God is the pnuema of pnuema right?
Faith. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Son of God (Holy Ghost; the Spirit of truth)
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Of course, you can't hear the wind but rather what you hear is the sound of moving air molecules since the wind is the force that produces the motion of the air molecules that formed the firmament. But of course, the wind is produced from the visible light emitted from the celestial body we call the Sun.
So if God is pnuema, seeing that God is a Spirit according to John 4:24, and if the Spirit is pnuema then the Spirit of God is the pnuema of pnuema right?
Faith. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Son of God (Holy Ghost; the Spirit of truth)
That's why the bible says "If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret."
Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic and God should interpret the meaning.
Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic and God should interpret the meaning.
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