Calvin is not absolute authority. No idea where you got your facts from.
A BIBLICAL EXAMINATION OF CALVINISM
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You've sidestepped the doctrines of God and Scripture and have established your own rules of how you think God should be, and what is fair.
Uh, yea . . . the Bible is, and it contradicts Calvinism at every instant. Calvin was a sinner in need of a Saviour. I wonder if he ever did get saved.
Isn't it true that you believe the Gospel because you have faith? And isn't it conversely true that others DON'T believe because they don't have faith?
I mean if I preached to you that you can be saved if you believe that skins of a duck-billed platypus, had to be worn on your head, on Mt Everest, would you believe?
So why do you believe God became a baby, was tortured, died, and rose again, so that those who believe will be saved?
EXCELLENT OP!
What a complete dismantling and DEVASTATION of calvinism. That ideology is spoiled by philosophy.
So contradictory I wonder how can anyone believe it and believe in the literal interpretation of scripture? Its unbelievable.
@BaptistBibleBeliever Can I use this OP?
What a complete dismantling and DEVASTATION of calvinism. That ideology is spoiled by philosophy.
So contradictory I wonder how can anyone believe it and believe in the literal interpretation of scripture? Its unbelievable.
@BaptistBibleBeliever Can I use this OP?
You know, its not unusual for a child of God to use a lot of personal pronouns . . . I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Whether you believe I'm elected or not.
And where exactly does that faith come from? Do you just muster it up on your own strength? Some hear the SAME thing you heard yet think it foolishness.
Of course . . . I doubt if the ones howling have even read it . . . probably just saw the title and decided they were agin it to the glory of God. He elected them to do that. Sure glad that's over!
the problem is, that you actually do not want to read any creed or confession of catechism of calvinism. You just spread around how the Bible contradicts calvinism, without any proof.
Oh, I get it . . . you are a Calvinist.
Where does faith come from? Same place it always comes from . . . "Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God."
"But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ" (II Thessalonians 2:13-14).
I heard the Gospel, the Holy Spirit convicted me and I responded to that grace.
Please do not reply with, "That's nice, but what do you really believe?"
Yeah, the very NEXT verse says that hearing is not enough:
For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” So faith is from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.
But I ask, did they not hear? Indeed: “Their voice has gone out into all the earth...
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Hearing is needed, but is not the only thing needed.
The Bible is not a good enough proof for you? Really? Seems to me that you are elevating 'Jean' above the Bible right now.
Again, you lack a basic logic.
If you want use the Bible to debunk calvinism, you need two things:
a) Bible
b) calvinism
Dude. You keep bashing saying that Calvinists are basically heartless people who condemn others to hell, yet it's YOUR posts that are filled with vitriol. I'm just discussing, and although I agree with much of TULIP I consider myself a Christian not a Calvinist.
Which part?
Total depravity?
Unconditional election?
Limited Atonement?
Irresistible grace?
Preservation of the Saints? I mentioned in the OP that that was one that I could agree with, but not the 'perseverance of the saints' which is sometimes substituted for the 'P'.
You just denounced election, then claimed it later. Not my problem if you don't believe the plain teachings of Scripture, but then do, "just in case." Better get all your t's crossed and i's dotted -- play both sides of the field, "just in case."
The fact rermain's, you simply do not know what you're talking about and every single misinterpretation, straw man, lie, slander in your OP can be readily dismantled.
Yet another thing is you already "know it all" and thence cannot be taught and shown your egregious errors which would make you bow your knee and literally and actually cause you to be Soli Deo Gloria.
To top all that off you condemn men's souls to hell, who also trust Solus Christus, know the Scriptures, and God way more intimately than you. It is ignorant fundamental baptist nonsense, and I was there in the BBFI for years.
So you started this thread with a great big chip on your shoulder. You got up this morning and said "hey, I think I'll stir the pot. There's been a little too much peace on the CC boards."
You appear to have no desire to talk about what people believe.
Well, I'll knock the chip off.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, AND THAT not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
So right there we are told where our faith comes from. YOU didn't muster the faith up in your mind. The LORD gave you that faith.
Is the LORD in control? I have heard EVERY Christian in EVERY denomination say this. But how many truly believe it?
You talk about yourself.
A lot.
And you talk about others a lot to, and condemn them to hell.
Exactly like the Pharisees in NT times but you cannot see it, just like them as well.