A BIBLICAL EXAMINATION OF CALVINISM

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PennEd

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I think you think that I am a calvinist? Otherwise, I have no idea what you are asking for. I believe what I believe because I have a "Thus saith the Lord" to back it up. I don't know how much more clear I can be. If you can clarify, that would be great.
Isn't it true that you believe the Gospel because you have faith? And isn't it conversely true that others DON'T believe because they don't have faith?

I mean if I preached to you that you can be saved if you believe that skins of a duck-billed platypus, had to be worn on your head, on Mt Everest, would you believe?

So why do you believe God became a baby, was tortured, died, and rose again, so that those who believe will be saved?
 

Hevosmies

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EXCELLENT OP!

What a complete dismantling and DEVASTATION of calvinism. That ideology is spoiled by philosophy.
So contradictory I wonder how can anyone believe it and believe in the literal interpretation of scripture? Its unbelievable.

@BaptistBibleBeliever Can I use this OP?
 
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Yepppppp...

And oh, the inconsistency: mocking God's electing grace and ways in one sentence, then claiming it in another.

Oh, and by the way, "the door" says on this side that God elects whom he wills. You don't happen to like that and have created your own set of rules,. which deems God as unfair. More Romans 9:20 on display.
You know, its not unusual for a child of God to use a lot of personal pronouns . . . I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Whether you believe I'm elected or not.
 

Hevosmies

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Isn't it true that you believe the Gospel because you have faith? And isn't it conversely true that others DON'T believe because they don't have faith?

I mean if I preached to you that you can be saved if you believe that skins of a duck-billed platypus, had to be worn on your head, on Mt Everest, would you believe?

So why do you believe God became a baby, was tortured, died, and rose again, so that those who believe will be saved?
Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

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PennEd

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Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

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And where exactly does that faith come from? Do you just muster it up on your own strength? Some hear the SAME thing you heard yet think it foolishness.
 
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EXCELLENT OP!

What a complete dismantling and DEVASTATION of calvinism. That ideology is spoiled by philosophy.
So contradictory I wonder how can anyone believe it and believe in the literal interpretation of scripture? Its unbelievable.

@BaptistBibleBeliever Can I use this OP?
Of course . . . I doubt if the ones howling have even read it . . . probably just saw the title and decided they were agin it to the glory of God. He elected them to do that. Sure glad that's over!
 

trofimus

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Uh, yea . . . the Bible is, and it contradicts Calvinism at every instant. Calvin was a sinner in need of a Saviour. I wonder if he ever did get saved.
the problem is, that you actually do not want to read any creed or confession of catechism of calvinism. You just spread around how the Bible contradicts calvinism, without any proof.
 
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And where exactly does that faith come from? Do you just muster it up on your own strength? Some hear the SAME thing you heard yet think it foolishness.
Oh, I get it . . . you are a Calvinist.

Where does faith come from? Same place it always comes from . . . "Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God."

"But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ" (II Thessalonians 2:13-14).

I heard the Gospel, the Holy Spirit convicted me and I responded to that grace.

Please do not reply with, "That's nice, but what do you really believe?"
 

trofimus

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Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

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Yeah, the very NEXT verse says that hearing is not enough:

For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” So faith is from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

But I ask, did they not hear? Indeed: “Their voice has gone out into all the earth...
R 10

Hearing is needed, but is not the only thing needed.
 
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the problem is, that you actually do not want to read any creed or confession of catechism of calvinism. You just spread around how the Bible contradicts calvinism, without any proof.
The Bible is not a good enough proof for you? Really? Seems to me that you are elevating 'Jean' above the Bible right now.
 

trofimus

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The Bible is not a good enough proof for you? Really? Seems to me that you are elevating 'Jean' above the Bible right now.
Again, you lack a basic logic.

If you want use the Bible to debunk calvinism, you need two things:

a) Bible
b) calvinism
 

PennEd

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Oh, I get it . . . you are a Calvinist.

Where does faith come from? Same place it always comes from . . . "Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God."

"But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ" (II Thessalonians 2:13-14).

I heard the Gospel, the Holy Spirit convicted me and I responded to that grace.

Please do not reply with, "That's nice, but what do you really believe?"
Dude. You keep bashing saying that Calvinists are basically heartless people who condemn others to hell, yet it's YOUR posts that are filled with vitriol. I'm just discussing, and although I agree with much of TULIP I consider myself a Christian not a Calvinist.
 
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Dude. You keep bashing saying that Calvinists are basically heartless people who condemn others to hell, yet it's YOUR posts that are filled with vitriol. I'm just discussing, and although I agree with much of TULIP I consider myself a Christian not a Calvinist.
Which part?

Total depravity?
Unconditional election?
Limited Atonement?
Irresistible grace?
Preservation of the Saints? I mentioned in the OP that that was one that I could agree with, but not the 'perseverance of the saints' which is sometimes substituted for the 'P'.
 
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You know, its not unusual for a child of God to use a lot of personal pronouns . . . I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Whether you believe I'm elected or not.
You just denounced election, then claimed it later. Not my problem if you don't believe the plain teachings of Scripture, but then do, "just in case." Better get all your t's crossed and i's dotted -- play both sides of the field, "just in case."

The fact rermain's, you simply do not know what you're talking about and every single misinterpretation, straw man, lie, slander in your OP can be readily dismantled.

Yet another thing is you already "know it all" and thence cannot be taught and shown your egregious errors which would make you bow your knee and literally and actually cause you to be Soli Deo Gloria.

To top all that off you condemn men's souls to hell, who also trust Solus Christus, know the Scriptures, and God way more intimately than you. It is ignorant fundamental baptist nonsense, and I was there in the BBFI for years.
 

PennEd

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Of course . . . I doubt if the ones howling have even read it . . . probably just saw the title and decided they were agin it to the glory of God. He elected them to do that. Sure glad that's over!

So you started this thread with a great big chip on your shoulder. You got up this morning and said "hey, I think I'll stir the pot. There's been a little too much peace on the CC boards."
You appear to have no desire to talk about what people believe.

Well, I'll knock the chip off.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, AND THAT not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.


So right there we are told where our faith comes from. YOU didn't muster the faith up in your mind. The LORD gave you that faith.

Is the LORD in control? I have heard EVERY Christian in EVERY denomination say this. But how many truly believe it?
 
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You know, its not unusual for a child of God to use a lot of personal pronouns . . . I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Whether you believe I'm elected or not.
You talk about yourself.

A lot.

And you talk about others a lot to, and condemn them to hell.

Exactly like the Pharisees in NT times but you cannot see it, just like them as well.