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ben , its not eteranal life thats divided , all who have believed will have eternal life , but our rewards will be divided , some believers will receive great reward for being faithful and for their good works , others will not , but all believers who have trusted Christ Alone for salvation will be in heaven
And it does matter what age we are in , we are currently in the Age of Grace , and we should be jumping up and down for joy , that all that is required is to BELIEVE !!!!!
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I've only heard Mathew, Mark, Luke & john called gospels not epistles, revelations or testimonies from anybody or any where else. Accept for false ones. Not even the good news bible which has a bad rep for being paraphrased calls anything besides the four , gospels. Maybe some do, I've never heard the term used another way. I'm sorry for misunderstanding or overreacting.
There are false gospels I've heard of. The Gospel of Mary, of Jude and of Mary Magdalene etc. That's the type I thought you were referring to. My bad
I only study THE BIBLE from the BIBLE. I know what the word gospel means but in the context in which I have studied it, it only referred to the biography of Jesus while on earth.
I only study THE BIBLE from the BIBLE. I know what the word gospel means but in the context in which I have studied it, it only referred to the biography of Jesus while on earth.
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It’s not about we must do good works in order to become saved or remain saved but that we will do good works if we truly are saved. All genuine believers are fruitful, but not all are equally fruitful. (Matthew 13:23).
Those who fall away completely and permanently demonstrate that they were never truly born again in the first place (1 John 2:19).
Those who fall away completely and permanently demonstrate that they were never truly born again in the first place (1 John 2:19).
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Where on earth do you get a bitter, bitter man ? ? ? I have Joy and Peace that can only come from GOD. I do however resent the tactics of trying to lead others astray. I have studied the tactics of the Psuedo-christian cults in depth. AND now I see you are doing the same thing; no I do not THINK you are one of them, HOWEVER YOU ARE ACTING LIKE IT, and you have been certainly DECEIVED. It is called the BAIT and SWITCH Tactic of presenting your false Gospel. I am actually SORRY for you, because you have been DECEIVED, into believing a false Gospel. I know you do not deliberately Lie, but that is the nature of being Deceived, you have Swallowed a LIE, hook, line and sinker.
WE DO NOT GET SAVED, HE DID IT ALL, AND GAVE IT TO US AS A FREE GIFT. AND HE ASCENDED TO HEAVEN AND HE SAT DOWN. Do you even know what that symbolized as OUR HIGH PRIEST? THERE ARE NO CHAIRS IN THE TEMPLE ON EARTH, because the Priests work was NEVER DONE, while they were on duty. BUT JESUS, OUR HIGH PRIEST, SAT DOWN, SIGNIFYING HIS WORK OF SALVATION WAS TOTALLY DONE.
WE DO NOT GET SAVED, HE DID IT ALL, AND GAVE IT TO US AS A FREE GIFT. AND HE ASCENDED TO HEAVEN AND HE SAT DOWN. Do you even know what that symbolized as OUR HIGH PRIEST? THERE ARE NO CHAIRS IN THE TEMPLE ON EARTH, because the Priests work was NEVER DONE, while they were on duty. BUT JESUS, OUR HIGH PRIEST, SAT DOWN, SIGNIFYING HIS WORK OF SALVATION WAS TOTALLY DONE.
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I have to respectfully disagree, it is CLEARLY stated in Ephesians 2 1-10,
1And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
I mean how in the world can you possibly say it's up to us? It tells me all throughout scripture that man is dead in his sin, it says we are a slave to sin, and it always makes very clear that it is ALL God ALL the time. We can't claim any of the credit, it is not up to us at all lest we boast. I do understand what you mean though, we are in time space, we do make hundreds of choices every day. I think we can all agree that a concept like the sovereignty of God is beyond our grasp of how that works exactly, of course, but just like right here the bible clearly says that by grace through faith and this is NOT of your own doing but a gift of God. See the conflict here?
1And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
I mean how in the world can you possibly say it's up to us? It tells me all throughout scripture that man is dead in his sin, it says we are a slave to sin, and it always makes very clear that it is ALL God ALL the time. We can't claim any of the credit, it is not up to us at all lest we boast. I do understand what you mean though, we are in time space, we do make hundreds of choices every day. I think we can all agree that a concept like the sovereignty of God is beyond our grasp of how that works exactly, of course, but just like right here the bible clearly says that by grace through faith and this is NOT of your own doing but a gift of God. See the conflict here?
I would agree with you that the Father will cut off those who are in Christ if they do not produce good fruit, but I question your understanding of specifically, the kind of fruit one needs to produce for the kingdom of God.
Does if have to do with going to church, giving to the poor, preaching the gospel to the lost, or what?
What fruit constitutes, for the kingdom of God?
Does if have to do with going to church, giving to the poor, preaching the gospel to the lost, or what?
What fruit constitutes, for the kingdom of God?
That's not entirely accurate, saying, if you simply believe Jesus is lord and savior.
According to Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, and John, a corresponding word is required.
You can believe Jesus is you lord and savior all you want, it wont do you any good. If you don't act on that belief, then nothing will happen. You will be just as lost as you were before you believed.
Faith requires a corresponding action to that which you believe in your heart, regardless of what it is.
Salvation is no different than healing, it requires faith, and faith without works is dead or useless.
So to say, "all that is required is to believe", I think is a misstatement, and deceives people into believing they don't have to do anything with said belief.
According to Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, and John, a corresponding word is required.
You can believe Jesus is you lord and savior all you want, it wont do you any good. If you don't act on that belief, then nothing will happen. You will be just as lost as you were before you believed.
Faith requires a corresponding action to that which you believe in your heart, regardless of what it is.
Salvation is no different than healing, it requires faith, and faith without works is dead or useless.
So to say, "all that is required is to believe", I think is a misstatement, and deceives people into believing they don't have to do anything with said belief.
