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Yes, there is more to being saved, but I believe that Jesus is the Son of God and our Savior and it is a stand alone statement. I also believe that one must be born-again by the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This too is a stand alone statement.
I have also said that good works is a part of being saved. This is a statement that TT could say is opposite of what the bible says, but he is wrong about that too. But I give him the right to say it about works. But not about Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God and our Savior and that we must be born-again. These statements are not controversial and are certainly not opposite of what the bible says. So is he truthful?
I have also said that good works is a part of being saved. This is a statement that TT could say is opposite of what the bible says, but he is wrong about that too. But I give him the right to say it about works. But not about Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God and our Savior and that we must be born-again. These statements are not controversial and are certainly not opposite of what the bible says. So is he truthful?
As you saw on this forum, Christians are all over the map as to what they beieve about many doctrines. I think I can guarantee that there are no 2 churches that believe 100% of the doctrines of the bible in the same way. That is why there are many thousands of Christian churches.
So what is the one true gospel and who teaches it. Is your church the only true church that teaches the 1 true gospel of Jesus Christ? I bet within your own church you will have division about some of the doctrines taught out of the bible. Your pastor may teach a sermon on the millenium or the rapture and I'm sure you could have some heavy disussion within your ranks that can not be reconciled. But you leave the discussion as brothers in the gospel and remain friends and followers of Christ. That is how divisions are elliminated and oneness is maintained.
So what is the one true gospel and who teaches it. Is your church the only true church that teaches the 1 true gospel of Jesus Christ? I bet within your own church you will have division about some of the doctrines taught out of the bible. Your pastor may teach a sermon on the millenium or the rapture and I'm sure you could have some heavy disussion within your ranks that can not be reconciled. But you leave the discussion as brothers in the gospel and remain friends and followers of Christ. That is how divisions are elliminated and oneness is maintained.
So which do you believe? Sounds like an oxymoron. 
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How much fruit does one have to produce to not be cut off from the vine? Fruit, or works, is a manifestation of one's salvation but the works in themselves do not save, only the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross for sins contritely confessed leading to repentance by the Holy Spirit's guidance makes salvation possible. What's this EL stuff anyway? Salvation is a gift and not something that is earned by works, therefore you cannot lose salvation by lack of works.
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behur, you have 50% of the gospel that is true; "works will not save you.", only Jesus Christ and His death, burial and resurrection can save a human soul. But now you need to go all the way and believe that, "works will not keep you saved." its is the "power of God" that will keep a Christian saved, not your good works.
We are saved, "unto good works" -- not by them. You cannot "Mix" works with grace or grace is no longer grace.
Ephesians2:8-10
8) For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God 9) "not by works", so that no one can boast. 10) For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
We are saved, "unto good works" -- not by them. You cannot "Mix" works with grace or grace is no longer grace.
Ephesians2:8-10
8) For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God 9) "not by works", so that no one can boast. 10) For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
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Go away guy, I meant "figuratively ", about everything you say, not "literally" everything you say", now you are going to prove me wrong, be my guest.
Seriously no wonder you have a problem interpreting scripture correctly.
Definition: figuratively
Something that's said figuratively isn't intended to be taken as the literal truth, but as a symbol of something, or as "emphasis."
Seriously no wonder you have a problem interpreting scripture correctly.
Definition: figuratively
Something that's said figuratively isn't intended to be taken as the literal truth, but as a symbol of something, or as "emphasis."
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So which do you believe? Sounds like an oxymoron.
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