Is Islam Evil?

[kankunkid]

I THINK WHAT CLEANTE SAID IS VERY TRUE, WHEN I FIRST CAME TO MEXICO AND WAS JOB, LESS FAMILYLESS, AND MONEYLESS, AND THE FIRST PLACE I WENT TO A JOB INTERVIEW WAS AT A HOTEL WITH A MUSLIM PERSON AND I TOLD HIM THAT I HAD ALOT OF TATOOS ON MY BODY WHEN I SHOWED HIM THE ONES ON MY BACK IT ( JESUS CHRIST AND THE VIRGIN OF GUADALUPE, AND ANOTHER ONE) ALL THREE COVERING UP AROUND HALF OF MY BACK, AND I MENTIONED IT TO HIM BECAUS ESINCE I WAS GOING TO WORK IN A HOTEL IN THE ENTERTAINMENT DEPARTMENT, BEING IN SWIMMING POOLS I WANTED TO CLARIFY IT BEFORE SO THAT HE WOULDNT SAY I LIED TO HIM, EVEN AFTER SEEING THIS HE HIRED ME, TODAY HE IS A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE AND SO IS HIS FAMILY HE HIORED ME ANOTHER TIME AFTER THAT, AND TODAY I HAVE BEEN UNEMPLOYED 8 MONTHS IF HE COULD HIRE ME AGAIN HE WOULD, BUT ALL THE MEXICANS I INTERVIEW WITH WILL NOT GIVE ME THE TIME OF DAY BECAUS EOF A TATOO, SO I AGREE WITH CLEANTE, PEOPLE MAKE RELIGION EVIL RELIGION DOSENT MAKE PEOPLE EVIL, AND I HAVE LIVING PROOF TO SHOW FOR IT.

 

[Credo_ut_Intelligam]

In all fairness... Can we really judge?

Yes. Don't get yourself all hung up on the word "judge". It's what the philosopher Jamie Whyte calls a "boo word." A word people throw around to stir up emotions rather than rational thought and get everyone to jump on a bandwagon before they have thought about it. For instance, he cites the word "cruelty" as a "boo word" and says "Many of those who earn the disapproval of legislators by beating their children also disapprove of cruelty; they think it cruel to raise children without giving them the discipline of corporal punishment" (Crimes Against Logic 75).

"Judge" and all its variations is one of the biggest "boo words" in Christianity. If you want to shut someone up right away without having a rational discussion, suggest that they might be "judging" and pretend that it makes sense.

I've already distinguished good judging from bad judging in an earlier post. Feel free to interact with it if you want to say what I'm doing is bad judgment.

No, I think we are not meant to condemn, or harrass anyone or anything, as then we are promoting unlovingness, He who is perfect and blameless BEFORE God, Cast the first stone.

So we shouldn't condemn things like slavery, racism, injustice to the poor, or harming the environment?? Is that really what you are saying?

I doubt it. I suspect you just don't think we should condemn the things you don't think are condemnable. I'm sure you're more than happy to condemn things you find condemnable.

(As far as harassing is concerned, that's just another "boo word". Everyone agrees we shouldn't harass, but you're going to need some sort of actual argument if you want to say that such and such a thing constitutes harassment.)

Walk a walk of Love, not of condemnation, unlovingness and cruelty

This sounds like a line taken right out of a politician's speech

 

[Israel]

I would say this on this subject,Jesus said,"I am the way,the truth and the life",He did not say that there are many ways to God the Father,only one,HIM.JEHOVAH,YHWH is God,not allah,budda or any other religion people dream up.Mohammad found his god in a cave where there were alot of false gods.God is not mocked and everyone that follows a false god will be held accountable on that day.The Bible tells us that many will come claiming to be the way but Jesus tells us to be not decieved.I believe in God the Father,God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and that is not judging,it is stating a fact.Jesus said that any other way is theft and one will not enter into heaven,so you make the call,God bless and keep you all in His wonderful grace,AMEN

Yes, He is the way truth and the life, but what does that mean?

All men know the way. All who lived knows that one day they will die.
All men know the truth. The basis of this is inside every man. I didn't have to read any book to know morality or what the ten commandments put into words. Out of love, even if it is shown only towards one's family, these principles are in us all. The life is in every man that came into the world born among women.

The book then becomes helpful in understanding this basic truth in depth. Is Allah also the God of our Bible? Yes. Does how they worship have an effect on their salvation? No. How one chooses to worship only shows an expression of the one faith in all men. Does a Buddhist believe as well? Yes. Those who are mature in Christ understands that an idol is nothing in the world. The Buddhist simply expresses his faith in what he doesn't understand. His faith is weak, but faith of a mustard seed can STILL move a mountain.


Another aspect we must recognize is that in all of religion, name one that does not have some form of paganism involved with its doctrines? We must be honest with ourselves as well. You mention God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. How is this so if not for error? Those who mention this deny the very plain words of the man they claim to believe. Jesus said that God is a Spirit.

 

[Crazy4GODword]

Again I say the two religions (Christianity and Islam) are brother religions but Jesus did state before that those who believe in Him will have everlasting life and you cannot get that with accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior but brother if it does not match up with the book called the bible and everything that GOD has done in the bible, may not be true but Jesus is LORD and Islam do not want to believe that.

 

[Israel]

Again I say the two religions (Christianity and Islam) are brother religions but Jesus did state before that those who believe in Him will have everlasting life and you cannot get that with accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior but brother if it does not match up with the book called the bible and everything that GOD has done in the bible, may not be true but Jesus is LORD and Islam do not want to believe that.

Romans 7:25

25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Religion is nothing. It is the person that matters!

Confessing Jesus with your mouth is not simply stating "Jesus is Lord." How many Christians do that? You confess Him with your mouth by every word that comes out of your mouth. I no longer see death around me but life!

Exodus 32:31-35


31And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.
32Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.
33And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
34Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them. 35And the LORD plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made.


James 2:8-13


8If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. 13For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.


We, by the law, are all sinners. Am I any better than a murderer or a rapist in God's eyes? So I along with Moses asks God to forgive, or to blot me out as well. A Muslim, with his mind, confesses Jesus as Lord by how he treats his neighbor even when serving the law of sin with his flesh.

 

[estrangedone]

Yes. Don't get yourself all hung up on the word "judge". It's what the philosopher Jamie Whyte calls a "boo word." A word people throw around to stir up emotions rather than rational thought and get everyone to jump on a bandwagon before they have thought about it. For instance, he cites the word "cruelty" as a "boo word" and says "Many of those who earn the disapproval of legislators by beating their children also disapprove of cruelty; they think it cruel to raise children without giving them the discipline of corporal punishment" (Crimes Against Logic 75).

"Judge" and all its variations is one of the biggest "boo words" in Christianity. If you want to shut someone up right away without having a rational discussion, suggest that they might be "judging" and pretend that it makes sense.

I've already distinguished good judging from bad judging in an earlier post. Feel free to interact with it if you want to say what I'm doing is bad judgment.



So we shouldn't condemn things like slavery, racism, injustice to the poor, or harming the environment?? Is that really what you are saying?

I doubt it. I suspect you just don't think we should condemn the things you don't think are condemnable. I'm sure you're more than happy to condemn things you find condemnable.

(As far as harassing is concerned, that's just another "boo word". Everyone agrees we shouldn't harass, but you're going to need some sort of actual argument if you want to say that such and such a thing constitutes harassment.)



This sounds like a line taken right out of a politician's speech

We shouldn't condemn people for what we are guilty for. I don't think you need intelligence to know that Jesus came in love for all people, regardless of their backgrounds... so what about people who have only a background in Islam or people in countries where Islam is the dominant religion?

There are verses that are pro-slavery in the bible, and telling slaves to treat their owners as if the owners were the brothers of the slaves.
Is not the term 'Gentile' a term for a racism seperation?
Injustice to poor? Go out and do something about it!
Harming the environment... Well, thats something you can deal with in your own small living area!

I think it is not good to condemn a religion, and therefore by extention, all the people who know nothing else... Were you not also saved by grace? If so, then aim your intelligence somewhere where it will actually help God's ministry please

And Amen to what Israel has posted



God Bless you all, and thats all from me on this topic

 

[Crazy4GODword]

Romans 7:25

25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Religion is nothing. It is the person that matters!

Confessing Jesus with your mouth is not simply stating "Jesus is Lord." How many Christians do that? You confess Him with your mouth by every word that comes out of your mouth. I no longer see death around me but life!

Exodus 32:31-35


31And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.
32Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.
33And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
34Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them. 35And the LORD plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made.


James 2:8-13


8If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. 13For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.


We, by the law, are all sinners. Am I any better than a murderer or a rapist in God's eyes? So I along with Moses asks God to forgive, or to blot me out as well. A Muslim, with his mind, confesses Jesus as Lord by how he treats his neighbor even when serving the law of sin with his flesh.

my friend I do not want to argue with this as i was meaning claiming GOD by who He is by saying Jesus is LORD but i know its not all religion, actually it is love and if you do not have GOD's love by His Son you won't be accepted to do unto. GOD bless

did this help or is anyone upset with this?

 

[Israel]

my friend I do not want to argue with this as i was meaning claiming GOD by who He is by saying Jesus is LORD but i know its not all religion, actually it is love and if you do not have GOD's love by His Son you won't be accepted to do unto. GOD bless

did this help or is anyone upset with this?

No argument, friend. My point was that we need not to judge a person on any appearance. It was to show that obeying Jesus from one's heart is more important than literally saying "Jesus is Lord."

 

[Crazy4GODword]

Yes friend, well are you aware of sin of Commission and Omission I think that might be a great new thread..........care to make it

GOD bless

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

Christianity is the only way to heaven if you want to go to heaven there is only one way and who is this way? Jesus Christ any other religion or what ever is a lie and leads to hell okay i found the link to a song i want you to check out there is a preacher in it and he explains this much better then I take a minuet to listen! YouTube - Heaven-Decipha

 

[Israel]

Christianity is the only way to heaven if you want to go to heaven there is only one way and who is this way? Jesus Christ any other religion or what ever is a lie and leads to hell okay i found the link to a song i want you to check out there is a preacher in it and he explains this much better then I take a minuet to listen! YouTube - Heaven-Decipha

Please show me one verse that says that Christianity is the only way to heaven. Jesus stated that the JEWS knew who they worshipped. Without any added regulations applied to the people by the Pharisees, it is in fact the Jew's religion that is most accurate. Does this then mean that Christianity sends you to hell? Heaven forbid! No religion can send you to hell. For us all, whether we live, we live to the Lord; or whether we die, we die to the Lord. For we all live and die to the Lord.

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

you seam a bit confused God is not the author of Confusion how ever about some scripture to back up that the Jesus is the truth the life and the way hmm let me take a look hebrews 13:5-9 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have:for HE hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper and I shall not fear what man shall do unto me. Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation. Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. James 1:26-27 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction and to keep himself unspotted from the world. Ephesians 4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Revelation 22:11-21 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still,and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy , let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. for without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers and murderers, and idolaters and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and bride say, Come, And let him that heareth say, Come, and let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his partout of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things that are written in this book. He which testifieth theses things saith. Surely I come quickly. Amen Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all, Amen 1st cor 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

 

[Israel]

you seam a bit confused God is not the author of Confusion how ever about some scripture to back up that the Jesus is the truth the life and the way hmm let me take a look hebrews 13:5-9 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have:for HE hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper and I shall not fear what man shall do unto me. Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation. Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. James 1:26-27 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction and to keep himself unspotted from the world. Ephesians 4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Revelation 22:11-21 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still,and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy , let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. for without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers and murderers, and idolaters and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and bride say, Come, And let him that heareth say, Come, and let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his partout of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things that are written in this book. He which testifieth theses things saith. Surely I come quickly. Amen Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all, Amen 1st cor 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

I understand the verses posted, but I am not the one who is confused. Jesus is indeed the way, the truth and the life. It is our understanding of this that is lacking. By your view, only Christians confess Jesus as Lord.

Matthew 7:21-23


21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Again, by your view, these are Christians. And many He will say to them that He never knew them.

Acts 16:16-19


16And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
17The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.
18And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour. 19And when her masters saw that the hope of their gains was gone, they caught Paul and Silas, and drew them into the marketplace unto the rulers,

How do you discern this situation? The woman spoke fact as they were indeed, servants of God which showed the way of salvation. What was wrong about what was said? What did Paul cast out of her? And in the day that Jesus speaks about, will she hear Him state to her "depart from me" or this spirit that will say "Lord did I not..."?

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

but all these scriptures aren't saying that Christianity isn't the right way and did you know to be a Christian is to be a follower of Jesus the Christ hence CHRIST-ian in fact one verse you mentioned even says that he is the way of salvation and what is salvation but saving from hell by the power of his sacrificial blood and I will not be shaken that Jesus is the only way to heaven the only truth of word available to mankind and the only Life as in a new life in Christ being reborn and cleansed from sin and I don't care to look els-where for another way because Jesus is the way for me besides that fact No man can come to the Father but by Jesus and except ye be reborn you will by no means enter in the kingdom of Heaven Go your own way or the jewish way but i will choose Jesus as my God alone and the word of God and the will of the Father will i go by and why is it that you are going through the Holy Bible trying to say that Christianity isnt right?

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

on a Christian site no less

 

[Soldier4Hiim]

I don't believe "Islam" is "evil" because scripture tells us that evil is within the hearts of men.

(Gen 6:5)And GOD saw that the wickedness of man wasgreat in the earth, and thatevery imagination of the thoughts of his heart wasonly evil continually.

(Gen 8:21)And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart isevil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Ishmael, the father of the Arab nations was blessed by God and is a part of God's covenant with his father Abraham because he is his seed.

(Gen 17:7) And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

(Gen 17:20) And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

Now it is understood that this covenant with Ishmael is not the same as the covenant with Issac.

Gen 17:18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!
Gen 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
Gen 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
Gen 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.


So now we have the Israelites, the Ishmaelites and the Edomites all of whom are the seed of Abraham and fall under the original covenant because all of the children of Abraham have been reckoned through Issac.

(Gal 4:22) For it has been written, Abraham had two sons, one out of the slave woman and one out of the free woman.

(Gal 4:23) But, indeed, he of the slave woman has been born according to flesh, and he out of the free woman through the promise,

(Gal 4:24) which things are being allegorized, for these are two covenants, one, indeed, from Mount Sinai bringing forth to slavery (which is Hagar,

(Gal 4:25) for Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, and she slaves with her children),

(Gal 4:26) but the Jerusalem from above is free, who is the mother of us all;

(Gal 4:27) for it has been written, "Be glad, barren one not bearing; break forth and shout, the one not travailing; for more are the children of the desolate rather than she having the husband." Isa. 54:1

(Gal 4:28) But, brothers, we are children of promise according to Isaac.

(Gal 4:29) But then, even as he born according to flesh persecuted the one according to Spirit, so it is also now.

(Gal 4:30) But what says the Scripture? "Cast out the slave woman and her son, for in no way shall the son of the slave woman inherit with the son of the free woman." Gen. 21:10

(Gal 4:31) Then, brothers, we are not children of a slave woman but of the free woman.

Now it seems to me that under the Abrahamic covenant that the Isrealites, the Ishmaelites and the Edomites fall under the same umbrella, so to speak, albeit that their inheritance is not the same.

The question here is by what standard to we determine what is evil in terms of nations? Is Israel evil? If not, why then is Islam evil? Ultimately they both worship the same Godhead. Neither believe in Jesus as the son of God and both view Him as a prophet.

Where is the line drawn here? Either both are evil or neither is.

(Jer 31:33) But this shall be the covenant that I will cut with the house of Israel: After those days, declares Jehovah, I will put My Law in their inward parts, and I will write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

(Jer 31:34) And they shall no longer each man teach his neighbor, and each man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah. For they shall all know Me, from the least of them even to the greatest of them, declares Jehovah. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sins no more.

On the day of judgment men will be judged not as nations or religious systems. Believers in Christ have our Lord as our advocate before God. Non-believers do not and will subsequently be righteously judged individually by their works under the law.

Judgment is mine sayeth the Lord.

Just my point of view.

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

soldier for who? the bible also warns about false prophets and teachers and scorners and scoffers speaking lies and dishing out doctrines of demons i just wont ever say its safe to say that any other religion might be righteous though i dont know the islamic beliefs the quaran is wrong or els it would be Holy Bible and oh boy i cant wait to see what ppl say about the World False Religion coming near the end of time and Jesus' day

 

[Israel]

but all these scriptures aren't saying that Christianity isn't the right way and did you know to be a Christian is to be a follower of Jesus the Christ hence CHRIST-ian in fact one verse you mentioned even says that he is the way of salvation and what is salvation but saving from hell by the power of his sacrificial blood and I will not be shaken that Jesus is the only way to heaven the only truth of word available to mankind and the only Life as in a new life in Christ being reborn and cleansed from sin and I don't care to look els-where for another way because Jesus is the way for me besides that fact No man can come to the Father but by Jesus and except ye be reborn you will by no means enter in the kingdom of Heaven Go your own way or the jewish way but i will choose Jesus as my God alone and the word of God and the will of the Father will i go by and why is it that you are going through the Holy Bible trying to say that Christianity isnt right?

Again friend, it is you who is confused. Was not Jesus a sacrifice for the benefit of all mankind? I never denounced Christianity. I'm simply stating that religion is only a form of expression. It is an outward show of faith. I ask what is the difference between a Muslim's religion and a Christian's religion? Most would say that Muslims don't recognize Jesus as God. I then ask is this by the flesh or by the spirit? Jesus said that all manner of sin will be forgiven among men; even those against the Son of man. If then a Muslim does not believe in Jesus according to the flesh, but by the inner man, delights in the law of God, does he not in truth, confess Christ where it matters most? The flesh PROFITS NOTHING my friend so I will never Judge or come to any conclusion based off of what the world may throw at me. I compare spiritual with spiritual. You may approach the alter every Sunday to pray with your pastor. A Muslim may kneel towards the east five times in prayer in his synagogue. The only difference, however is simply the expression of the one faith. It is indeed ONE God (who is a Spirit with no form or similitude) ONE body (though I am me and you are you) ONE Faith (how I choose to express it whether fasting or eating may not be how you choose to) and ONE baptism (all who live are baptised truly in death where we take off the body of sins).

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

ah by the way i dont mean to stir up any major conflict about the place but im just a firm believer and i will speak boldly as i ought to deffend my faith and for the sake of the faith's of my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus if only you will see that The Holy Bible is the way, I pray that Jesus will make himself known to you as he is.

 

[Israel]

I don't believe "Islam" is "evil" because scripture tells us that evil is within the hearts of men.

(Gen 6:5)And GOD saw that the wickedness of man wasgreat in the earth, and thatevery imagination of the thoughts of his heart wasonly evil continually.

(Gen 8:21)And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart isevil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Ishmael, the father of the Arab nations was blessed by God and is a part of God's covenant with his father Abraham because he is his seed.

(Gen 17:7) And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

(Gen 17:20) And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

Now it is understood that this covenant with Ishmael is not the same as the covenant with Issac.

Gen 17:18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!
Gen 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
Gen 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
Gen 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.


So now we have the Israelites, the Ishmaelites and the Edomites all of whom are the seed of Abraham and fall under the original covenant because all of the children of Abraham have been reckoned through Issac.

(Gal 4:22) For it has been written, Abraham had two sons, one out of the slave woman and one out of the free woman.

(Gal 4:23) But, indeed, he of the slave woman has been born according to flesh, and he out of the free woman through the promise,

(Gal 4:24) which things are being allegorized, for these are two covenants, one, indeed, from Mount Sinai bringing forth to slavery (which is Hagar,

(Gal 4:25) for Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, and she slaves with her children),

(Gal 4:26) but the Jerusalem from above is free, who is the mother of us all;

(Gal 4:27) for it has been written, "Be glad, barren one not bearing; break forth and shout, the one not travailing; for more are the children of the desolate rather than she having the husband." Isa. 54:1

(Gal 4:28) But, brothers, we are children of promise according to Isaac.

(Gal 4:29) But then, even as he born according to flesh persecuted the one according to Spirit, so it is also now.

(Gal 4:30) But what says the Scripture? "Cast out the slave woman and her son, for in no way shall the son of the slave woman inherit with the son of the free woman." Gen. 21:10

(Gal 4:31) Then, brothers, we are not children of a slave woman but of the free woman.

Now it seems to me that under the Abrahamic covenant that the Isrealites, the Ishmaelites and the Edomites fall under the same umbrella, so to speak, albeit that their inheritance is not the same.

The question here is by what standard to we determine what is evil in terms of nations? Is Israel evil? If not, why then is Islam evil? Ultimately they both worship the same Godhead. Neither believe in Jesus as the son of God and both view Him as a prophet.

Where is the line drawn here? Either both are evil or neither is.

(Jer 31:33) But this shall be the covenant that I will cut with the house of Israel: After those days, declares Jehovah, I will put My Law in their inward parts, and I will write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

(Jer 31:34) And they shall no longer each man teach his neighbor, and each man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah. For they shall all know Me, from the least of them even to the greatest of them, declares Jehovah. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sins no more.

On the day of judgment men will be judged not as nations or religious systems. Believers in Christ have our Lord as our advocate before God. Non-believers do not and will subsequently be righteously judged individually by their works under the law.

Judgment is mine sayeth the Lord.

Just my point of view.

Good post.