OSAS= House Built on Sand

[dcontroversal]

The incorruptible word of God, planted and growing in soil #2 in the Parable of the Sower, withered and was uprooted. So much for thinking 'incorruptible seed' somehow means you will always be saved. You have to hold fast to the word of the gospel to be saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-2).

And you must be dense....the incorruptable SEED WE ARE BORN OF is the SPIRITUAL BIRTH WE JAVE FROM ABOVE IS NOT THE INCORRUPTABLE WORD OF God, BUT By the word of God...no wonder you cannot recognize the biblical path of salvation...you conflate, twist, reject, deny, change, corrupt context, biblical truth, words verb tense and prove that you really have no understanding every time you speak....yeah you really gonna set us straight alright....straight on the fact that you don't know what you are talking about is about it...!

 

[Jewel5712]

Funny he actually believes that when in reality he has built his house on quicksand with the plenteous in number group that believes they know Jesus and have the right to enter based upon his works.....!!

Good works is a manifestation of the committment weve already made in our hearts..if you love someone..you WANT to do what pleases them...you DONT try and do what pleases them in HOPE that theyll love you back..(get the corolation?)

 

[dcontroversal]

You seem to conveniently ignore the fact that Paul said the sinning fellow at Corinth had to be turned over to the destruction of his flesh SO HE COULD BE SAVED. You can't just decide you're going to ignore that essential part of the passage in order to create your own erroneous doctrine, and worse, teach it to others.

Nice embellishment of the word.....more proof of who really leads you....MAY BE....NOT COULD BE....man you are as deceptive as they come! And the context was His spirit...not HE....man....you are gonna pay the price for your deception....

 

[dcontroversal]

Good works is a manifestation of the committment weve already made in our hearts..if you love someone..you WANT to do what pleases them...you DONT try and do what pleases them in HOPE that theyll love you back..(get the corolation?)

Exactly............the result of....not for or in order to have or keep!

 

[Jewel5712]

@Ralph- you havent answered any of my questions to you..

 

[Jewel5712]

Exactly............the result of....not for or in order to have or keep!

YUP..YOU GOT THE COROLATION..YOU GET A CYBER COOKIE! Lol

 

[SpoonJuly]

I am living for Jesus and the kingdom of God. I'm like a wise man who house built his house on the rock.

Well, God is going to get you for all the false teaching you are doing.
Teaching lies and twisting Scripture to prove those lies in not living for God.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

When you don't DO the will of the Father you are like a building built on the sand which will not survive the coming storm of God's Judgment.

do the will of the Father?

john 6
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

We see the loss of the guarantor, the Holy Spirit, in Galatians 3 and 4. The Galatians were making themselves slaves to the law for justification again. Paul warned them that slaves to justification by the old covenant are not heirs along with the sons of the New Covenant of the blessings promised to Abraham's seed. And he says the Holy Spirit is one of those promised blessings. You lose the Holy Spirit when you depart from faith in Christ for justification.

In Galatians 4, Paul reveals that Judaism and the grace we find in Christ Jesus are incompatible. We cannot follow both law and grace. You know there were Jews who followed Paul around (and not just to Galatia). Those who held to the law as being able to deliver from the bondage of sin had come in to the church at Galatia teaching the gentile believers that they must observe days, months, times, years, circumcision, etc. etc.

In Gal 4:23 we see the son who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh and in vs. 24 that this is allegory for the covenant from mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. The law could never overcome the sin to which we are in bondage. The law served its purpose in that it revealed our complete inability to overcome sin and pointed to our Redeemer Who overcame that which the law could never conquer. And our Redeemer helps us to overcome sin.

In Gal 4:23 the son of the freewoman is described as having come by promise (vs 23) and this is allegory for the covenant described as Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all (vs 26).

In Gal 4:30, Paul is urging the Galatian believers (those of the freewoman) to cast out those who came in to zealously affect you, but not well (vs 17) (those of the bondwoman).

And then Paul makes the statement So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free (vs 31).

Paul is telling the Galatian believers to cast out the bondwoman and her son.

Nowhere does Paul state that the arrabōn is taken away.

Is it your claim that the Jews who followed Paul around and subverted the gospel of the grace of God were actually born again believers who had become "ex-believers"?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Of course not.

However they have to repent, which means turn to God and be reconciled to Him.

Though they are lost, God loves them and desires for them to return to Him.

This is clearly show by the joy in heaven when they do repent.

K.

Do you agree with Ralph when he states (red mine):

What you are describing here is not the return to unbelief that solicits God's denial of a person.

It appears to me that Ralph is saying God will deny a person who wants to repent.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

The sheep who wanders away from the Shepherd, and becomes lost, is no longer "just", but is a sinner in need of repentance, just as he was before he belonged to the shepherd.

I don't believe it's true that the sheep becomes "just as he was before he belonged to the shepherd".

Even though "lost", doesn't the sheep still belong to the Shepherd? If not, then you imply that the Shepherd searches for something which doesn't belong to Him, places him on His shoulders, and carries him back to the fold, which means the Shepherd is stealing something that doesn't belong to Him.

It appears what you're saying is that the born again believer never really belongs to the Shepherd --- he still belonged another even after being born again???

 

[Jewel5712]

I don't believe it's true that the sheep becomes "just as he was before he belonged to the shepherd".

Even though "lost", doesn't the sheep still belong to the Shepherd? If not, then you imply that the Shepherd searches for something which doesn't belong to Him, places him on His shoulders, and carries him back to the fold, which means the Shepherd is stealing something that doesn't belong to Him.

It appears what you're saying is that the born again believer never really belongs to the Shepherd --- he still belonged another even after being born again???

Very good point..AMEN!

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Well, God is going to get you for all the false teaching you are doing.
Teaching lies and twisting Scripture to prove those lies in not living for God.

How do you know this?

 

[justpassinthrough]

K.

Do you agree with Ralph when he states (red mine):





It appears to me that Ralph is saying God will deny a person who wants to repent.

The one who wanders away and becomes lost due to immoral living must repent, and return to God in humility to be restored.


However the one who renounces Christ as Messiah and Lord, departing from Him to serve other gods or religions has put Christ to an open shame, in which after being enlightened by the Spirit and tasted the power of the age to come, can no longer be brought to repentance.


12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end,
Hebrews 3:12-14

The context that Jesus and Paul referred to in this teaching, refers to Jews who were being persecuted by unbelieving Jews to turn these believers back to Judaism.


13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:13


Hebrews 3:12-14 and Luke 8:13 are teaching the exact same thing.


Judaism claims Jesus is a false prophet and denies Him as Christ.


Another example might be Islam.


The most widely known example of this is turning away from Christ to take the mark of the beast and worship him as God.



JPT

 

[seed_time_harvest]

It appears what you're saying is that the born again believer never really belongs to the Shepherd --- he still belonged another even after being born again???

Very good point..AMEN!

Is this what you are saying?

 

[justpassinthrough]

I don't believe it's true that the sheep becomes "just as he was before he belonged to the shepherd".

Even though "lost", doesn't the sheep still belong to the Shepherd?

The next one teaches it another way that may clarify it for you.


8 “Or what woman, having ten silver coins, if she loses one coin, does not light a lamp, sweep the house, and search carefully until she finds it? 9 And when she has found it,she calls her friends and neighbors together, saying, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found the piece which I lost!’10 Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Luke 15:8-10

• if she loses one coin, does not light a lamp, sweep the house, and search carefully until she finds it?

The coin while in her possession belongs to her, but if she loses it, the coin is no longer hers to spend, unless she finds it.

• Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

Likewise, Lucifer is an angel (son of God) that is lost and no longer is allowed to be with God.


JPT

 

[Ralph-]

One brother, I knew, went as far as to say that we are on probation, as it were, until it is seen whose life we loved more...our own or HIS.

I don't know if I'd call it probation but remaining saved until Jesus comes back is definitely conditioned on whether or not we continue in our love for God in a continuing believing. Those who stop believing and go back to the world and don't come back to faith in Jesus when God calls them back will not be saved when Jesus comes back. No 'once saved always saved' doctrine is going to save them on that day when they tell the Lord, "but, Lord, look at how many Bible studies I led teaching others about your salvation" and He will say to them, "away from me, you lawless one that did not do my Father's will".

 

[Ralph-]

Takes 2 to argue..stop the cycle and conceed?

Concede what?

If we put as much effort in getting off our butts and offline n went out to WITNESS like we are commanded to do as we put in arguing HERE...i think there might be more coming to Christ as opposed to here arguing..who has been brought to Christ?

I did not know you can not do both. Why is it impossible to work in the field and building of God on-line too?

 

[Ralph-]

So..are you going out witnessing and brining others to christ? Its a command. .

Yes.

 

[Ralph-]

@Ralph- ...im not all pointing fingers cause as you know..i like to debate as well but arent we really just missing the BIG PICTURE and splitting hairs on what Gods called us to do?

I did not know we were talking about specific tasks that God has called us to do.

Sittimg online debating for hours MIGHT be a way Satan distracts us from the BIGGER PICTURE..witnessing!

Telling people they will not be saved when Jesus comes back if they stop believing is hardly a waste of time and a distraction. If you think that's a waste of time and a distraction then Paul's letter to the Galatians was a waste of his time and a big distraction to what he should have been doing. And if you think he's not telling them they will lose their salvation in that letter then it's even a bigger waste of time. Think about it.