Is Messiah,(The Anointed One) the Father?

[rlm68]

The reason there are similarities is because the gnostics learned the gospel from Christians and then perverted what they were taught into their own writings like the Gospel of Thomas Anyone who thinks otherwise is ignorant. As John said, they went out from us because they were not of us due to their gnostic teachings.

And no one knows when the GoT was written. Anyone who says they know is a liar.

It's not we can define when a particular writing was actually jotted down, it's the parchment paper itself we can define and date rather accurately.

Do you understand the papyrus method?

Take reeds from the river, slice them open and let them dry, then place them side by side just overlapping them with glue applied to keep them together, and then sit something heavy on it until it is completely dried and like a big scroll.

We have been able to date this format since the Egyptians and Moses' writings. Every 500 years or so, an improvement was made and we are able to know when what era this took place. And Thomas' parchment papyrus paper for his scroll dates back to just after Christ had ascended.

So, it's not like they are guessing here. This method is methodical and 100% accurate. We know all civilizations era's based upon the paper they used because back then for over 5,000 years it was this river bed papyrus method!!

So, you can't be screaming LIAR, when the actual papyrus matches a specific method which we can define the specifics to!!

 

[preston39]

You are aware the seed was planted by the hand of God into Mary's womb?
This means Christ HAS NO DNA from Mary, none, nada, 100% God!!

Think of it as in vitro!!

r...,
What does that to do with my point of scriptural teachings? Although I question where you got the basis of your conclusion....scirpture?
Christ was born of a virgin birth from Mary...here on earth...was the point.

 

[preston39]

So you live believing God and Christ are two separate beings?

O...,
Maybe you didn't read the last sentence;

........."Depending on the assignment of duties by G-d......they can be the same."

If you disagree please answer why G-d knows the date of Christs' 2nd advent and Christ does not? (waiting for this one!!)

 

[OstrichSmiling]

Another book seller. These folks just imagine things they can't prove or support in any way.

Casting aspursions on members and calling Scholars names isn't an example of intellectual superiority.
One can make the observation here that you are actually referring to your own posts. Imagining things that you can't prove or support in any way.
You simply call learned men and women names and believe that constitutes intellectual currency that revokes learned peoples acumen.
It does not.
Rather, it is evidence you are outwitted and know no other avenue in attempting, and failing, to hide that fact.
And God knows you'll not simply refrain from being rude in a thread that addresses a subject you know nothing about.
This is a Christian forum.What we glean from your repetitious self- offenses is that you desperately need prayer.

 

[OstrichSmiling]

O...,
Maybe you didn't read the last sentence;

........."Depending on the assignment of duties by G-d......they can be the same."

If I had not read it I would not have responded to it.

 

[rlm68]

r...,
What does that to do with my point of scriptural teachings? Although I question where you got the basis of your conclusion....scirpture?
Christ was born of a virgin birth from Mary...here on earth...was the point.

And Mary was STILL A VIRGIN after His birth!!

Because if God had sex with Mary, He would be a hypocrite to those fallen angels He condemned for having sex with human females that created the Nephilim!!

And God cannot be a Hypocrite!!

So, He created the seed of Christ (which is 100% God's DNA), implanted it into Mary's womb (which is no DNA).

 

[preston39]

And Mary was STILL A VIRGIN after His birth!!

I think I know scripture you are referring...but please show supporting scripture?

Because if God had sex with Mary, He would be a hypocrite to those fallen angels He condemned for having sex with human females that created the Nephilim!!

Who suggested G-d had physical sex with Mary? You shouldn't try to spin a point. It most often doesn't work...very well.

And God cannot be a Hypocrite!! So, He created the seed of Christ (which is 100% God's DNA), implanted it into Mary's womb (which is no DNA).

r...,

Geeesssch!...are you denying, by spinning, that Mary is the mother of Christ?

 

[jaybird88]

Casting aspursions on members and calling Scholars names isn't an example of intellectual superiority.

but sometimes logic, fact and plain reasoning are not an option and its the only card you have to play. another example is to accuse them of being in a cult. such as you make a statement, i ignore the substance of your statement, and ask you if your a Morman or JW. very strategic move, you dodge the question that you know you cant prove wrong, and your gonna get support because you know everyone hates them nasty Mormans and JWs.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

he is wrong because he makes his living writing? never heard that one before.
you say it like he is just out to make a quick buck, what a dumb idea, do you have any idea how long it takes to write books thats non fiction based on years of research. if im out to make quick fast money, writing books would be the last thing i would do. most of these people walked away from good paying work just to go out and struggle their but off doing something they have a passion for.


these folks did years of research, wrote books, and filled them facts to support these views in everyway.

Big money in writing books, especially if you're a professor at a no-name college like the one this fellow was at. The college said he put their name on the map with his book.

 

[OstrichSmiling]

but sometimes logic, fact and plain reasoning are not an option and its the only card you have to play. another example is to accuse them of being in a cult. such as you make a statement, i ignore the substance of your statement, and ask you if your a Morman or JW. very strategic move, you dodge the question that you know you cant prove wrong, and your gonna get support because you know everyone hates them nasty Mormans and JWs.

Keep it coming. If we make public the tactics employed by that which doesn't wish to participate in a reasonable informed respectful Christian discourse , their strategies being exposed may cause them to stop.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

It's not we can define when a particular writing was actually jotted down, it's the parchment paper itself we can define and date rather accurately.

Do you understand the papyrus method?

Take reeds from the river, slice them open and let them dry, then place them side by side just overlapping them with glue applied to keep them together, and then sit something heavy on it until it is completely dried and like a big scroll.

We have been able to date this format since the Egyptians and Moses' writings. Every 500 years or so, an improvement was made and we are able to know when what era this took place. And Thomas' parchment papyrus paper for his scroll dates back to just after Christ had ascended.

So, it's not like they are guessing here. This method is methodical and 100% accurate. We know all civilizations era's based upon the paper they used because back then for over 5,000 years it was this river bed papyrus method!!

So, you can't be screaming LIAR, when the actual papyrus matches a specific method which we can define the specifics to!!

You're grossly misrepresenting what these researchers claim. None except a few maybe, think the GoT was written in the 1st century AD. The honest ones agree that they really can't tell.

 

[jaybird88]

Big money in writing books, especially if you're a professor at a no-name college like the one this fellow was at. The college said he put their name on the map with his book.

big money for a teeny tiny select few at the top. all the rest struggle and most of them are research writers such as the one in question.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

what makes you think they perverted the teachings of Jesus? is it because they didnt conquer and kill everyone like the roman church?
do you have an example of the bad fruits of these Gnostic Christians?
i like tyhe gnostics, the term is thrown around like the boogy man but no one ever asks why. jimmy says the gnostics are bad guys so they must be bad guys lol. if jimmy says the sky is falling are you gonna believe that to?

Because that's what the gnostics did. They took the sayings of Christ and perverted them. Gnosticism is essentially a syncretism of Christianity and platonic dualism.

If you like the gnostics that tells me you have one foot in the kingdom of light and the other in the kingdom of darkness. Maybe both, I don't know. Gnosticism and Christianity are incompatible. Choose this day who you will follow. You can't follow both.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

big money for a teeny tiny select few at the top. all the rest struggle and most of them are research writers such as the one in question.

Meyers sold 1.2 million copies of his Gospel of Judas. That's enough to make someone a millionaire. Plus he was a frequent guest on television documentaries and other programs. It made him famous and rich.

 

[rlm68]

You're grossly misrepresenting what these researchers claim. None except a few maybe, think the GoT was written in the 1st century AD. The honest ones agree that they really can't tell.

And the honest ones did not have access to dating the papyrus method like we do now!!

You know, there is a word I am about to write that definitely is going to make someone like you cringe (SCIENCE)!!

Science is a very useful tool in some dating process. But these SCIENTISTS I am referring to are Christian Scientists.

And when it comes to dating the papyrus method, Scientists are much more qualified than biblical scholars. Scholar are useful in recognizing the writing styles and matching them per era and relating the written meaning to others known manuscripts, but scientists can pinpoint when the paper was used down to within a FEW YEARS, not 100 years, but a few years!!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

do you have an example of the bad fruits of these Gnostic Christians?

Most, if not all, of the letter of 1 John is devoted to refuting the gnostic heresy. So there's your bad fruit. John said they are anti-Christ.

 

[jaybird88]

Because that's what the gnostics did. They took the sayings of Christ and perverted them. Gnosticism is essentially a syncretism of Christianity and platonic dualism.

If you like the gnostics that tells me you have one foot in the kingdom of light and the other in the kingdom of darkness. Maybe both, I don't know. Gnosticism and Christianity are incompatible. Choose this day who you will follow. You can't follow both.

your still not giving an example, platonic duelism is not an example. give me a specific example. preferably bad actions but i will go ahead and tell you there are none, so find me a teaching if you like.
you can argue their theology all you want but the problem is that if their theology was so bad why did it not lead to bad actions. an example of this would be the church inventing a doctrine such as "discovery" and using this to justify slaughtering Native Americans, good theology does not lead to actions such as this. this is how Jesus taught to ID bad teachers.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

you can argue their theology all you want but the problem is that if their theology was so bad why did it not lead to bad actions

Good heavens, go read Against Heresies to see what apostates the gnostics were.

 

[rlm68]

r...,

Geeesssch!...are you denying, by spinning, that Mary is the mother of Christ?

the Bible states the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary...

o·ver·shad·ow
[ˌōvərˈSHadō]

VERB

1. tower above and cast a shadow over.
   
   It means God was not on top of Mary, but that God was above like a casting shadow over Mary. Basically, God did not touch Mary, but like how the Holy Spirit dwell inside us, is how the Holy Spirit planted the seed of God inside Mary's womb.
   She basically was like what we do today with in vitro, a host womb carrying the seed of another couple till it is birthed. And although another woman is carrying the seed, the seed has no biological DNA from the woman carrying the seed till birth.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

And the honest ones did not have access to dating the papyrus method like we do now!!

You know, there is a word I am about to write that definitely is going to make someone like you cringe (SCIENCE)!!

Science is a very useful tool in some dating process. But these SCIENTISTS I am referring to are Christian Scientists.

And when it comes to dating the papyrus method, Scientists are much more qualified than biblical scholars. Scholar are useful in recognizing the writing styles and matching them per era and relating the written meaning to others known manuscripts, but scientists can pinpoint when the paper was used down to within a FEW YEARS, not 100 years, but a few years!!

You're just blowing smoke. You must be getting this stuff off of a gnostic website.