That view conflicts with many passages of scripture, such as 1. "we are born dead in our sin" how can a dead man choose? 2. " none seek after God, all have gone astray", then we have the book of life and other passages where Jesus describes the lost seeking but not being able to find because god has deliberatley hidden the truth from them.
Repentance is necessary, and salvation is contingent upon it. You really ought not to call God a failure
By hearing the gospel, and choosing to believe it.
ALL of us fall short.
If God literally did that, then He is duplicitous and cannot be trusted, nor can we trust the Bible.
I know most of the verses Calvinists use to support their doctrine...
If you scroll up, you will see I was asking the other guy if God failed in his opinion. Because he claimed that God tried to save the whole world. We know that God didn't try to save the whole world, because if He did it would make Him a failure. I'm glad I cleared that upRepentance is necessary, and salvation is contingent upon it. You really ought not to call God a failure
I'll post some verses later whichwill leave no doubt about that fact that mankind was born dead in sin. Unless God quickens him, he will remain in his sin and never choose to give his life to God and follow his Son.
Here you are again giving concrete opinions on that which you are apparently ignorant of. Did Jesus die for the sins of the whole world, or not? Scripture says yes. You say no... very clearly.
My Bible says "who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth". That sounds similar to 'He takes no please in the death of the wicked". It sound more like He doesn't enjoy the fact that the wicked will go into a lost eternity, but it doesn't sound like He's going to do anything to stop them either.
I agree, the only thing I would add is that belief is a gift from God. Belief isn't something one attains because he's more clever than the next guy. Since some of the smartest scientists see believers as fools. God gives the gift of faith to the humble and meek and hides is from the proud
No need, Mark. The Bible is clear that all men are born dead in sin. That does not mean he cannot choose to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and become saved.
God quickens people when they believe, not before.
You are combining verses... Heb 12:2 and Eph 2:8-9.
OK, so you're saying Jesus is a failure. Simple as that, He died for the whole world but only a few took up His offer so He was a big let down right!
What can He do? God wants people to believe, but He cannot make people believe. He honors their choice.
You will find "experts" on both sides of the argument. This debate has been raging for centuries.
No, there is a need. It's important that you are confronted with Biblical truth, I don't want to abide in error and neither do you. So lets see what the scriptures say, I will need to spend a few hours researching and then I'll post all of the relevant verses
No it isn't. Salvation by faith is the gift of God. God requires of us about the least thing he could: faith in Jesus Christ.
Cleverness has nothing to do with it.
Faith is not a gift. The gift is salvation, given when people choose to have faith.
Inherent in the voice of the Holy Spirit is the ability to know what you're hearing is the truth about the gospel. From that revelation men either choose to not believe, casting that word behind them, or choose to believe and are justified.
That's right, I don't believe that Jesus died for the whole world. He said Himself that He died for "many", not all.
Here's the scripture regarding being born dead in sin:
1 John 2:
Once again, you are leaving out man's free will.
The natural man does not receive the things of God, for they are foolishness to him. I'm just going of memory here so bare with me, Ill get the big guns out later.
