GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.
14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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No, any time a man repent He will forgive and save, do not need to wait, but if happen a man accept Jesus a second before he die, he is save.
The Bible say, for God love the world he give His only begotten Son, whosoever believe in Him will be save, no requirement how long before die
The Bible say, for God love the world he give His only begotten Son, whosoever believe in Him will be save, no requirement how long before die
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I believe Base on john 3:16, whosoever believe in Him will save.
Why wait till older?
1. You do not know when you die, how about to late?
2. Believe in Jesus is more comfortable than party. Close to Him is more peaceful than life in sin. If a man believe worldly party is more peaceful than life in Him, that man do not believe in Him. Believe in Him is not only believe that He is God, but believe His teaching is a pleasure.
Apostle Paarl say, the world become trash after seeing His glory.
Any body love garbage? Let me know, I have tons, my city has a problem to tos the garbage.
Why wait till older?
1. You do not know when you die, how about to late?
2. Believe in Jesus is more comfortable than party. Close to Him is more peaceful than life in sin. If a man believe worldly party is more peaceful than life in Him, that man do not believe in Him. Believe in Him is not only believe that He is God, but believe His teaching is a pleasure.
Apostle Paarl say, the world become trash after seeing His glory.
Any body love garbage? Let me know, I have tons, my city has a problem to tos the garbage.
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It is an interesting scripture about the theif on the cross and teaches a lot. The thief knew he was a sinner because he was condemned by the law and sentanced to death.
On the cross he accepted Jesus as his Savior from sin by faith. This is the role of God's LAW. The sinner is condemned to death but faith in Jesus and God's forgiveness of sin brings eternal life.
The theif on the cross is a simple demonstration of the Gospel and the role of the law of God that brings us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.
Blessings to all God's sheep.
On the cross he accepted Jesus as his Savior from sin by faith. This is the role of God's LAW. The sinner is condemned to death but faith in Jesus and God's forgiveness of sin brings eternal life.
The theif on the cross is a simple demonstration of the Gospel and the role of the law of God that brings us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.
Blessings to all God's sheep.
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"It says; Many will come in my name. They will claim, ‘I (Jesus the Christ) am the Messiah!’ They will fool many people."
I'm glad you accept the sentence:
They will claim, ‘I am the Messiah!’
though I think the part in parentheses:
(Jesus the Christ)
is unwarranted in that sentence.
to see why, let's look at these two sentences:
Mom says I am a good reader.
Mom says, 'I am a good reader.'
as you read things, do those two sentences above have the same meaning?
let's resolve that issue, then we can discuss the rest of your post.
I'm glad you accept the sentence:
They will claim, ‘I am the Messiah!’
though I think the part in parentheses:
(Jesus the Christ)
is unwarranted in that sentence.
to see why, let's look at these two sentences:
Mom says I am a good reader.
Mom says, 'I am a good reader.'
as you read things, do those two sentences above have the same meaning?
let's resolve that issue, then we can discuss the rest of your post.
Still not sure how Abraham had Faith without obedience . I don't believe you can "SAY" you trust God, but not trust Him enough to do as He instructs.
It is pretty obvious that had Abraham refused to do as God instructed, he would never had been the example of Faith we are to strive towards.
He would have another Eve.
It is pretty obvious that had Abraham refused to do as God instructed, he would never had been the example of Faith we are to strive towards.
He would have another Eve.
That issue can only be "resolved" via context. Jesus was responding to one of 3 questions that the disciples asked him. To which was he responding? The destruction of the temple? The end of the Jewish age? The sign of his coming?
IMO the context has to be determined by his choice of words in which he tells them personally to be on guard against people claiming to be the anointed one, and the ubiquitous cultural view at that time that the anointed one would deliver Israel from the Romans. Also, this warning is the first thing he said, which correlates with the first question they asked: "When will the temple be destroyed?"
IMO the context has to be determined by his choice of words in which he tells them personally to be on guard against people claiming to be the anointed one, and the ubiquitous cultural view at that time that the anointed one would deliver Israel from the Romans. Also, this warning is the first thing he said, which correlates with the first question they asked: "When will the temple be destroyed?"
I made the case for the meaning of this scriptures, I gave many different translations of the scripture. I posted other verses which support the theme, I asked relevant questions to which you guys didn't acknowledge.
There are real life examples of this truth by the thousands. I haven't even started talking about the pedophiles who have come in Christ's name, teaching Jesus is truly the Christ, but are really there to prey on little boys. Wouldn't this be an example of someone to "Take heed of".
It is absurd to claim that Jesus is only warning about men who claim to be God.
No need to continue this conversation if you can't even acknowledge what has plagued mankind since the serpent used God's Word to deceive Eve.
There are real life examples of this truth by the thousands. I haven't even started talking about the pedophiles who have come in Christ's name, teaching Jesus is truly the Christ, but are really there to prey on little boys. Wouldn't this be an example of someone to "Take heed of".
It is absurd to claim that Jesus is only warning about men who claim to be God.
No need to continue this conversation if you can't even acknowledge what has plagued mankind since the serpent used God's Word to deceive Eve.
That is the Catholic doctrine.
I just don't believe Jesus was warning about people who say "THEY" are God, but those cleaver, subtle deceivers who come in Christ's Name, and who claim He is truly the Christ.
He knew the Jews religion had been exposed, and He also knew corrupters would do to His church what they did to the Jews. So He is warning about the future, not about the Jews who don't believe He is the Christ, but He is warning about those deceivers who will come in His name, and who preach He is truly the Messiah. Not Jews. And reality has proven Him spot on in my opinion. There are real life examples of this by the thousands. People drank KoolAid which killed them following a man who "Came in Christ's Name. and who taught Jesus is the Christ. You would be able to "deceive" a lot more people on this forum if you came in Christ's name, than you could if you came on this forum and tell us you were Jesus, and the new testament was all a lie..
Not only that but what He actually said.
THEY will come in Christ's Name, not saying they are Christ, but saying "I, Jesus, am Christ"
Any way.
I disagree with the Mainstream interpretation, but I know their version protects "many" who come in His name, so I understand why they are so eager keep their doctrine.
I just don't believe Jesus was warning about people who say "THEY" are God, but those cleaver, subtle deceivers who come in Christ's Name, and who claim He is truly the Christ.
He knew the Jews religion had been exposed, and He also knew corrupters would do to His church what they did to the Jews. So He is warning about the future, not about the Jews who don't believe He is the Christ, but He is warning about those deceivers who will come in His name, and who preach He is truly the Messiah. Not Jews. And reality has proven Him spot on in my opinion. There are real life examples of this by the thousands. People drank KoolAid which killed them following a man who "Came in Christ's Name. and who taught Jesus is the Christ. You would be able to "deceive" a lot more people on this forum if you came in Christ's name, than you could if you came on this forum and tell us you were Jesus, and the new testament was all a lie..
Not only that but what He actually said.
THEY will come in Christ's Name, not saying they are Christ, but saying "I, Jesus, am Christ"
Any way.
I disagree with the Mainstream interpretation, but I know their version protects "many" who come in His name, so I understand why they are so eager keep their doctrine.
it's a simple question.
two sentences:
Mom says I am a good reader.
Mom says, 'I am a good reader.'
as you read things, do those two sentences above have the same meaning?
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your refusal to answer leads me to suspect, and I say this with all gentleness, that you have limited reading ability.
that doesn't mean that you aren't deeply spiritual, or that you aren't sincere in seeking after God.
I suspect then, again gently, that many of your teachings are based on a lack of reading ability.
two sentences:
Mom says I am a good reader.
Mom says, 'I am a good reader.'
as you read things, do those two sentences above have the same meaning?
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your refusal to answer leads me to suspect, and I say this with all gentleness, that you have limited reading ability.
that doesn't mean that you aren't deeply spiritual, or that you aren't sincere in seeking after God.
I suspect then, again gently, that many of your teachings are based on a lack of reading ability.
My post explains my reasoning.
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That certainly is a possibly, maybe I am just not capable. I have considered this as well. No doubt I am a nobody.
But maybe Jesus is just right, and maybe it isn't the Jews His people needed to worry about in the future, maybe it is those who "disguise themselves as Apostles of Christ" as Paul also warned. It is suspicious to me how you ignore the other scriptures which mirror what Jesus warned about in Matt. 24. I might gently suggest that it is more important to understand what is being taught than it is to preserve ancient religious tradition, which seems to be your motivation.
You are free to shop translations until you find one that fits your religious tradition. But my understanding of this scripture is gained through out the study of several translations, the other warnings regarding the same subject, and real life experiences with "MANY" who Come in Christ's name, and who preach Jesus is truly the Christ, but have proven to be deceivers. You are free to ignore the support I post for my beliefs.
If you want to create your doctrine around one comma, in a new age translation, you are free to do so. But my choice to include the Whole Bible, different translations, and real life experiences doesn't equate to "Lack of reading ability" IMO.
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That certainly is a possibly, maybe I am just not capable. I have considered this as well. No doubt I am a nobody.
But maybe Jesus is just right, and maybe it isn't the Jews His people needed to worry about in the future, maybe it is those who "disguise themselves as Apostles of Christ" as Paul also warned. It is suspicious to me how you ignore the other scriptures which mirror what Jesus warned about in Matt. 24. I might gently suggest that it is more important to understand what is being taught than it is to preserve ancient religious tradition, which seems to be your motivation.
You are free to shop translations until you find one that fits your religious tradition. But my understanding of this scripture is gained through out the study of several translations, the other warnings regarding the same subject, and real life experiences with "MANY" who Come in Christ's name, and who preach Jesus is truly the Christ, but have proven to be deceivers. You are free to ignore the support I post for my beliefs.
If you want to create your doctrine around one comma, in a new age translation, you are free to do so. But my choice to include the Whole Bible, different translations, and real life experiences doesn't equate to "Lack of reading ability" IMO.
you are too funny sometimes. you have built an entire religion around the " the Word became flesh " and thinking that the Pharisees are devil worshipers. then you actually have the nerve to say that someone who is asking you a simple question ( that , as usual, you won' answer, your fake religion won't allow it), is doing what you are actually doing.
there is one here who is pushing a false, man-made doctrine. you.
there is your sprit filed response for the day.
there is one here who is pushing a false, man-made doctrine. you.
there is your sprit filed response for the day.
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so what's being taught?
Truly, truly, I tell you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven,
but it is My Father who gives you the true bread from heaven.
(John 6:32)
The Spirit gives life; the flesh profits nothing.
(John 6:63)
so what's being taught?
what does the Scripture say?
(Galatians 4:30)
Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
(Galatians 3:3)
(Galatians 3:3)
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"No doubt I am a nobody."
You are not a nobody. Lack of reading ability is nothing to be embarrassed about, any more than being color blind or left-handed.
"But maybe Jesus is just right..."
it's not a matter of Jesus being right, it's a matter of being able to read his written words.
"...preserve ancient religious tradition, which seems to be your motivation."
no, my motivation is to grow in wisdom and knowledge.
"You are free to ignore the support I post for my beliefs."
I am discussing Matthew 24:5.
in my opinion, you have an absurd interpretation of it. let's deal with that before we move on to other verses.
"If you want to create your doctrine around one comma..."
no. the issue is a comma, and more importantly, quotation marks.
'But my choice to include the Whole Bible, different translations, and real life experiences doesn't equate to "Lack of reading ability" '
you are correct. here's what leads me to suspect that you have a lack of reading ability:
you don't seem to understand the role of the quotation marks in the translations that you posted above.
and you don't seem to understand the role of the quotation marks in the translation that you quoted back to me.
You are not a nobody. Lack of reading ability is nothing to be embarrassed about, any more than being color blind or left-handed.
"But maybe Jesus is just right..."
it's not a matter of Jesus being right, it's a matter of being able to read his written words.
"...preserve ancient religious tradition, which seems to be your motivation."
no, my motivation is to grow in wisdom and knowledge.
"You are free to ignore the support I post for my beliefs."
I am discussing Matthew 24:5.
in my opinion, you have an absurd interpretation of it. let's deal with that before we move on to other verses.
"If you want to create your doctrine around one comma..."
no. the issue is a comma, and more importantly, quotation marks.
'But my choice to include the Whole Bible, different translations, and real life experiences doesn't equate to "Lack of reading ability" '
you are correct. here's what leads me to suspect that you have a lack of reading ability:
you don't seem to understand the role of the quotation marks in the translations that you posted above.
and you don't seem to understand the role of the quotation marks in the translation that you quoted back to me.