thats a lie...
you dont even believe Jesus is God
first of all and
second of all
john 6
27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
i believe what Jesus says
you dont even believe Jesus is God
first of all and
second of all
john 6
27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
i believe what Jesus says
thats a lie... and okay bro then you do believe what Jesus says of salvation.....
you dont even believe Jesus is God<<<< you been listening to slander ehh... i believe Jesus is who He said He is the son of God the Christ. because thats who He is.
and here ya go you said this.
>>>i believe what Jesus says <<< yoi then quote a few verses that support your view, okay i totally agree with every single verse you shared there.... Now.
Jesus said this .
For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
will you now explain to me why that doesnt apply? or will you say okay, Jesus clearly makes a point, that if we do not forgive others, God the Father will not forgive us. <<<
my bet is you will now explain How the cross changed that principle that is repeated How many times
matt 7 " Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."
matthew 18 " Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: 33Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? 34And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses."
this is simply 1 aspect that you will now have to say doesnt apply. because if you accept His word you will have to say, yes there is indeed a condition upon My forgiveness, I now Have to forgive OR ELSE Jesus has clearly said " Your Father in Heaven, will treat you just like this Guy in the parable....and that isnt grace to you guys, because well God forgave the Guy, then the Guy refuses to forgive another and then God reinstates all His original debt and gives Him over to torment. the conditionless Grace doctrine absolutely opposes Jesus word. Because He teaches things Like the above about forgiveness wich im betting you will have to " explain why thats not right when Jesus said it through the Gospel.
hers some more that if you believe what Jesus says, you should consider what Grace actually means away from the gog lens.
And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? 3I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
conditionless is not what Grace actually means, forgiving others is required for forgiveness can you agree to that dreaded " requirement" or does Grace change that and whether we forgive others or not, were saved and forgiven of grace glooorious grace ? do you believe Jesus when He doesnt agree with your assesment ?
such as " the absolute fact that He is the One and Only begotten Son of God. and He actually has Himself A Father, and A God."
from that truth of scripture, you may say what " i do and dont believe" I believe what salvation tells us to believe Heres that which you will explain is " somehow a wrong belief of jesus not being God"
1 john 5 " If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God <<<hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.<< 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."
I think the issue is more people not believing that God the Father sent His Son to be the savior of the World. but Hey what does John Know right...after all hes not paul.......
john 3 : For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. 32And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. 33He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. 34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
the message of salvation, isnt that God came and died, God is immortal, He cannot die. He has One and Only begotten Son, He is the Christ. this is Jesus. the Son of God, the Promised Christ.
think people get offended that Jesus is the Son of God, and they then lower the Son of God, the Christ in thier Mind somehow, when He Is exalted above the Heavens By God the Father. Jesus is the Son of God, and He is who God sent to offer us the Word of truth that calls us Children.
i think if more people would Believe Jesus is the Son of God Like the Bible says it makes more sense.
galatians 4 " But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ."
do you kind of see that its extremely important to believe that Jesus is the Son of the Living God ? the Christ?
john 20:31 " But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
i have good reason to believe that Jesus is the Son of God. the Christ. cant say its very popular belief lol strange How many times its repeated in scripture so clearly though. seems paul is speaking of this regarding Gods Son
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. ( son of man) 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."
i hate to tell ya mcgee, but you also are your father, and mother thier blood and flesh is who you are an extension of them, Jesus is the Son of God, God is His Father. i know many disagree done this many times over, i believe the stuff the Bible explains, Jesus is the Son of the Living God, the Christ whom God sent for salvation, promised from Moses forward in the prophets. the Messiah is Christ. its strange that people think thats herecy hahaha it kind of Highlights How disfunctional we really are as a church the last hundred years