Not By Works

[followjesus]

thats a lie...

you dont even believe Jesus is God

first of all and




second of all

john 6

27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.



i believe what Jesus says

thats a lie... and okay bro then you do believe what Jesus says of salvation.....

you dont even believe Jesus is God<<<< you been listening to slander ehh... i believe Jesus is who He said He is the son of God the Christ. because thats who He is.

and here ya go you said this.

>>>i believe what Jesus says <<< yoi then quote a few verses that support your view, okay i totally agree with every single verse you shared there.... Now.

Jesus said this .

For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."

will you now explain to me why that doesnt apply? or will you say okay, Jesus clearly makes a point, that if we do not forgive others, God the Father will not forgive us. <<<


my bet is you will now explain How the cross changed that principle that is repeated How many times

matt 7 " Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

matthew 18 " Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: 33Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? 34And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses."


this is simply 1 aspect that you will now have to say doesnt apply. because if you accept His word you will have to say, yes there is indeed a condition upon My forgiveness, I now Have to forgive OR ELSE Jesus has clearly said " Your Father in Heaven, will treat you just like this Guy in the parable....and that isnt grace to you guys, because well God forgave the Guy, then the Guy refuses to forgive another and then God reinstates all His original debt and gives Him over to torment. the conditionless Grace doctrine absolutely opposes Jesus word. Because He teaches things Like the above about forgiveness wich im betting you will have to " explain why thats not right when Jesus said it through the Gospel.


hers some more that if you believe what Jesus says, you should consider what Grace actually means away from the gog lens.

And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? 3I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.


conditionless is not what Grace actually means, forgiving others is required for forgiveness can you agree to that dreaded " requirement" or does Grace change that and whether we forgive others or not, were saved and forgiven of grace glooorious grace ? do you believe Jesus when He doesnt agree with your assesment ?


such as " the absolute fact that He is the One and Only begotten Son of God. and He actually has Himself A Father, and A God."

from that truth of scripture, you may say what " i do and dont believe" I believe what salvation tells us to believe Heres that which you will explain is " somehow a wrong belief of jesus not being God"

1 john 5 " If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God <<<hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.<< 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."


I think the issue is more people not believing that God the Father sent His Son to be the savior of the World. but Hey what does John Know right...after all hes not paul.......

john 3 : For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. 32And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. 33He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. 34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."

the message of salvation, isnt that God came and died, God is immortal, He cannot die. He has One and Only begotten Son, He is the Christ. this is Jesus. the Son of God, the Promised Christ.



think people get offended that Jesus is the Son of God, and they then lower the Son of God, the Christ in thier Mind somehow, when He Is exalted above the Heavens By God the Father. Jesus is the Son of God, and He is who God sent to offer us the Word of truth that calls us Children.


i think if more people would Believe Jesus is the Son of God Like the Bible says it makes more sense.

galatians 4 " But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ."


do you kind of see that its extremely important to believe that Jesus is the Son of the Living God ? the Christ?

john 20:31 " But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.


i have good reason to believe that Jesus is the Son of God. the Christ. cant say its very popular belief lol strange How many times its repeated in scripture so clearly though. seems paul is speaking of this regarding Gods Son

And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. ( son of man) 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."


i hate to tell ya mcgee, but you also are your father, and mother thier blood and flesh is who you are an extension of them, Jesus is the Son of God, God is His Father. i know many disagree done this many times over, i believe the stuff the Bible explains, Jesus is the Son of the Living God, the Christ whom God sent for salvation, promised from Moses forward in the prophets. the Messiah is Christ. its strange that people think thats herecy hahaha it kind of Highlights How disfunctional we really are as a church the last hundred years

 

[followjesus]

1 Corinthians 15:52-58 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.

James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

ZOMBIES have no spirit and is therefore just "WALKING DEAD"
and Faith without works is DEAD just the same.

Romans 13:11-14 And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to WAKE UP FROM YOUR SLUMBER, because OUR SALVATION IS NEARER NOW than when we first believed. The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us PUT ASIDE THE DEEDS OF DARKNESS and put on the armor of light. Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature.

Revelation 3:2-6 WAKE UP! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I HAVE NOT FOUND YOUR DEEDS COMPLETE in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels. HE WHO HAS AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR what the Spirit says to the churches.

Ephesians 5:14 for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: “WAKE UP, O sleeper, RISE FROM THE DEAD, and Christ will shine on you.”

the Judgement seat of Christ" according of course to Jesus

matthew 25

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For ( because) I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: >>>> 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."


it seems Like the King, the Judge to whom we must answer in the end, is saying " what you do will determine salvation in the Kingdom, or the other place where people exist forever. its important to see that it isnt a judgement regarding the law of Moses at all, but its a matter of whether they actually Loved in deed and truth the ones who needed it. thats what the gospel is all about, forgiveness is Love, helping others in Need is Love, giving mercy is Love, not judging others is Love, giving up my plenty to help another in lack is Love.


the King doesnt call His people to Him and go through a list of rules and regulations and sacrificial Laws and feasts observed ect. He is all about " Did you Love each other because I Loved you" salvation is Not according to the Mosaiuc Law But according to Jesus Teachings of the Kingdom. treat each other Like you care about especially the Ones who Need our help the Most when they need what We can help with.


sin is ultimately How we treat each other Jesus the judge is saying " thou shalt not Kill" thsts certainly valid...But i tell you be the good samaritan and Help the man in need, Love Him as if Hes your brother. even when it takes you out of your own way or rewuires you to give something away. Mercy and grace to others, helping others.......thats salvation. doing it all because of what Jesus did for us. well be judged By the One teaching throughout the Gospel. we should learn it and prepare......

 

[stillness]

Not saved by works is obvious.
Rewarded according to our work is also obvious, much debate over the obvious:
"Behold I come quickly and My reward is with Me: to give everyone according to his work."
Have you wondered what reward is with Him? Resurrection, a crown of righteousness: for those who overcome the world.
"Just as the stars differ one from another in Glory, so also is the Resurrection." "Then shall the righteous shine as the brightness of the firmament and those who lead many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."
"For what a man sow's that shall he also reap." If you live after the flesh you shall die, but if you through the Spirit, put to death the works of the flesh you shall Live." Obvious that its also by the Spirit of God that we are empowered to put away our divided spirit. "What shall we say of these things, if God be for us, who can be against us." We are eternally secure walking in the Light of God. "As we walk in the light as He is in the Light, we have fellowship with One another and the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin."
"One thing (Grace enables us to do), forgetting what lies behind I press on, to the call of God in Christ Jesus."
"I should put you in remembrance of these things lest at any time you should let them slip, that after God delivered the people of Israel out of Egypt the generation after the flesh has to be destroyed."

 

[LightLoveHope]

Score card God

Jesus says we should forgive as we have been forgiven.
Now why would we forgive. Because the actions of sin are because the heart is lost and
in darkness. A lost heart cannot see the sin it commits or why, it is a slave to sin.

The sin we forgive, will not save the individual or make them clean unless they avoid
further defilement, but without the Lord and the Holy Spirit they simply can not do this.

Holding things against people as if they have a choice or even that revenge or the ill
feeling has value, it just destroy both the sinner and the hurt person. No one was ever been
made better through guilt, it is through repentance, confession and faith that heals through
the blood of Christ and His love flowing within. So when people say, I cannot obey forgiveness
and I do not have to do it to earn my salvation, they miss the point. It destroys you, making
the hurt and loss more important than the gift of life Jesus gives us.

If one holds unforgiveness one holds that hurt and pain matter above overwhelming love
and freely given sacrifice which is the highest expression of that love. We are the people of
the light, not people who exalt revenge and getting back for our loss. Our treasure is in heaven
not here on earth.

So the commands of Christ are not a burden but the expression of walking in the light and
eternal life itself. To reject them is to reject the way of the Kingdom and to declare you
have not begun to understand who your Lord actually is.

 

[LightLoveHope]

Are members lying?

I am curious how in a free forum people can be accused of lying.
Wrong interpretation or miss-understanding, ok, but lying?

John says if you say "I know God" but do not keep His commands, you are a liar.

Now is this Gods word or just make believe and you follow some superficial assent
to the Lords revelation?

And are His commands just believe in Jesus?
Sounds rather like an excuse to not accept we need to walk as people of the light.
Walking as people of the light is who we are, unless ofcourse, ones faith is we are
people of darkness pointing at the light. But why the lack of cleansing and reality
within? Is the creator incapable of cleansing the heart of man?

Jesus calls us to abide in His word, to put love into action, to realize the reality of
eternity come to earth. This is the gospel. Amen.

 

[LightLoveHope]

Do the righteous gloat at sinners?
Do the righteous walk humbly and know the power of love and joy in their hearts? Yes.

If one was to walk through a radioactive landscape, with poison and deadly things lying
about, would you mock the person for avoiding such things and staying alive, that they
are proud and boastful at being healthy and preserving the very gift of life they have, while
sharing with as many as they can? No.

Then how is it that to realize the poison of sin and evil, is somehow a bad thing, and to
learn how to follow Jesus, something to attack and ridicule?

I have never claimed I do not stumble or have issues, or find in different situations, I respond
inappropriately, I have just said sin is not inevitable. I say this because this is the promise of
Christ. Do you realise how guilty and self condemned you are when you dismiss the promise
out of hand. That is unbelief, that is not accepting when Jesus says your sins are forgiven,
they are forgiven. Our hearts are the issue, and purity is our walk founded on love and giving.

I wonder how you can find fault with this, and do not stop and question, does not Jesus and
the apostles say the same things?

You know this is true when one verse is not enough, you need 2 or 3. And they are all there.
But still doubt remains. Patience, love, endurance, perseverance. All these things are needed.

 

[mailmandan]

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I have a suggestion, because I have discussed the person called "LoveGodForever". HE CONTINUALLY IS AN AGITATOR, and Wants to believe that Salvation is LINKED to our Obedience, when it is LINKED to GOD's LOVE that was place in our hearts by the Holy Spirit, below is a statement to prove it. Because he is so much of an agitator, I PUT HIM ON MY PERMANENT IGNORE LIST A LONG TIME AGO. Then all I have to see is when he posts anything, all I see is:



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IT WORKS! And therefore he cannot get under my skin.

Here is the proof that it is linked to GOD'S LOVE that HE had the Holy Spirit pour it out in our hearts:

1 John 3:14-19 (HCSB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] This is how we have come to know love: He laid down His life for us. We should also lay down our lives for our brothers.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] If anyone has this world’s goods and sees his brother in need but closes his eyes to his ⌊need⌋—how can God’s love reside in him?
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Little children, we must not love with word or speech, but with truth and action.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] This is how we will know we belong to the truth and will convince our conscience in His presence,

I put him on ignore back in October of 2017 because I got fed up with his longwinded posts that were full on scripture twisting, psycho babble, rhetoric and SDA propaganda. SDA's play the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach that salvation is by grace through faith, but then redefine this in a way that is contrary to the Truth. Even though they deny this, they teach that salvation is by "grace plus law, faith plus works."

*EXAMPLE BELOW:

Originally Posted by LoveGodForever

None of what you have said above is true at all. Funny here is me all this time thinking you are teaching another Gospel.

What is the other Gospel?

It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. The counterfeit Gospel is out there. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation.

God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.

His SDA doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).

 

[preston39]

Are members lying?

I am curious how in a free forum people can be accused of lying.
Wrong interpretation or miss-understanding, ok, but lying?

John says if you say "I know God" but do not keep His commands, you are a liar.

Now is this Gods word or just make believe and you follow some superficial assent
to the Lords revelation?

And are His commands just believe in Jesus?
Sounds rather like an excuse to not accept we need to walk as people of the light.
Walking as people of the light is who we are, unless ofcourse, ones faith is we are
people of darkness pointing at the light. But why the lack of cleansing and reality
within? Is the creator incapable of cleansing the heart of man?

Jesus calls us to abide in His word, to put love into action, to realize the reality of
eternity come to earth. This is the gospel. Amen.

L....,

The accusations are inappropriate and are a personal defamation......when allowed. They must be condemned.

The greatest offence is when the accusations are present where the accuser is displaying against specific language that denies their position. They tend to react to the person rather than addressing G-d's word.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

L....,

The accusations are inappropriate and are a personal defamation......when allowed. They must be condemned.

The greatest offence is when the accusations are present where the accuser is displaying against specific language that denies their position. They tend to react to the person rather than addressing G-d's word.

Its even worse when multiple people call a person out for lying, yet the person still Denys any wrong doing or blame shifts. I guess you could say they are gracious here to allow it to continue..

 

[Rosemaryx]

I put him on ignore back in October of 2017 because I got fed up with his longwinded posts that were full on scripture twisting, psycho babble, rhetoric and SDA propaganda. SDA's play the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach that salvation is by grace through faith, but then redefine this in a way that is contrary to the Truth. Even though they deny this, they teach that salvation is by "grace plus law, faith plus works."

*EXAMPLE BELOW:



His SDA doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).

Hi Mailman...Is that not saying he is living under the law and living by grace , the two can not be mixed ...Unbelievers live under the law , we believers live under Gods grace ...Just inquiring...xox...

 

[walknlight]

[FONT=&quot]"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."

Martin Luther King, Jr.[/FONT]

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hi Mailman...Is that not saying he is living under the law and living by grace , the two can not be mixed ...Unbelievers live under the law , we believers live under Gods grace ...Just inquiring...xox...

Hello Rosemary,

I see your posts they are generally nice. However why do you listen to gossip from those who do not know the Word of God or the Gospel?

How do you know those who talk about others are not wolves in sheeps clothing? For your own salvation and peace of mind, I do not ask you to believe me over them. Only that you may seek God's Word and his truth by seeking it through Jesus for yourself through prayer and searching for it through Gods WORD for yourself asking Jesus to be your guide.

All those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God will not enter into God's Kingdom. SIN will keep all who KNOWINGLY practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM come judgement day.

Please follow the scriptures in this post and pray to Jesus for guidence.

Do you know what it means to live "Under the LAW"?

To live "Under the LAW" means to be breaking God's LAW and condemned by the LAW guilty before God of SIN.

Romans 3
19, Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF GOD'S LAW?

Romans 3
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

WHAT IS SIN?

Romans 7
7, What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, You shall not covet.

1 John 3
4, Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

James 2
8, If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well:
9, But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.
12, So speak you, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

If you break ANY of God's Commandments you are "UNDER THE LAW" guilty of SIN.

WE are ONLY SAVED BY GRACE through FAITH and NOT of ourselves it is a GIFT OF GOD and NOT OF WORKS lest any man should boast. (Eph 2:8)

However if your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son (James 2:18;20;26; Romans 6:23). If your tree has no fruit it is cast down and thrown into the fire (Matthew 7:18-22)


WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Romans 1
5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.


Romans 6

1, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that GRACE may abound? God forbid. 2, How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?


DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

Romans 3
31, Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.


WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?

Revelation 12
17, And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

Revelation 14
12, Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


WHO ARE THOSE THAT RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

Revelation 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU KNOW GOD?

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3
3, And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother

Those who CONTINUE TO PRACTICE KNOWN SIN will not ENTER into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[Magenta]

Hello Rosemary,

I see your posts they are generally nice. However why do you listen to gossip from those who do not know the Word of God or the Gospel?

How do you know those who talk about others are not wolves in sheeps clothing?

You are gossiping. Does that make you a wolf in sheep's clothing? It is so sad that you do not have a personal relationship with Jesus. If you did, perhaps you would not feel so driven to constantly lie about other people. You not only constantly lie about others, saying things like "nobody reads the Bible," but you misrepresent Scripture, saying things like it is breaking the law of God to worship on Sunday. I am afraid it is you who does not understand the good news.

 

[Magenta]

you dont even believe Jesus is God<<<< you been listening to slander ehh... i believe Jesus is who He said He is the son of God the Christ. because thats who He is.

It is not slander when people tell the truth. You do not believe that Jesus is God. Stop trying to hide that fact. Do you try to hide it so you can fly under the ban-hammer radar? Perhaps you know it is a grievous offense on this Christian forum to continually deny the Deity of Christ, so instead, you couch it in language you hope nobody will notice, and then actually LIE about the people who tell the truth about it.

 

[benhur]

rev 20 is the great white throne judgment, The people who are delivered to christ for this judgment will be judged according to their works. ie, no believer or child of God will be present. Because they are not delivered to God,. they are resurrected by him personally, to eternal life

the people in rev 20 will get what they deserve, because they have rejected the grace gift of eternal life. a gift they could never earn

the believer will be judged at the bema seat. where they will be rewarded with gold silver and precious stones, wood hay and straw. And even if their work is burnt, they will still be saved, even though as through fire.

you should learn the difference between judgment (gk-bema) which all believers will go through, and judgment (gk-Krino) which all non believers will go through.

Are you saying that the people in Revelations 20:12 are different than the people in Revelations 20:12-15?

 

[NoNameMcgee]

i will not give any weight to the false accusations...
as for those taking the same re-hashed verses out of context even after they have been clearly explained over and over again (since before i was even a member)

and never addressing the accurate explanations or truth..


heres a bump for you

1.

john 6
27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

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2.

Ezekiel 36:26
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

1 Samuel 16:7
7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.

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3.

1 peter 1

3.Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

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4.

1 john 3

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.


romans 4

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

 

[star]

Yep, just like I suspected. There are some on this site who belonged to another site. The avatar names may have changed but the words are the same.


Discussion and debate is what a public form should be. This is a Christian site (for which I'm most grateful) and it should not become a place for someone who disagrees to start sowing seeds of division.

 

[walknlight]

That VERSE that mentions GOD's Love, is in ROM. 5:5.

Rom 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor heavenly rulers, nor things that are present, nor things to come, nor powers,
Rom 8:39 nor height, nor depth, nor anything else in creation will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

God bless!

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Rom 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor heavenly rulers, nor things that are present, nor things to come, nor powers,
Rom 8:39 nor height, nor depth, nor anything else in creation will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

God bless!

amen

well said brother

 

[benhur]

Are you saying that if I do not forgive someone, I have committed the unpardonable sin. and will be lost forever?

It is not me saying it, it is Jesus. If you can't forgive a man his trespass against you, it may be a sign of other problems that you possess, and therefore your heavenly Father will finally not forgive you of your trespasses against Him. Jesus didn't say that if you forgive everyone but 1, your Father will forgive you. So you take the words of Jesus as they are read in the bible, OR NOT. That is your risk.

Paul does say some things that would seem to overide the sayings of Jesus, again, but I'm not sure I would bet my eternal life on that?

I Will let people know the truth, All sin is worthy of death, I am not going to focus on one sin, If I have a person who is struggling to forgive anolther, I will help them with scripture. But if you think I am going to tell them if they do not forgive, they will go to hell. Well no. that would not be a way to help them.

I have told you the truth which I read in the bible. Jesus says these things, they must be true. So if you are going to teach people that they can sin and be forgiven of their sin, even if Jesus in the bible says otherwise, you may want to think again.
This forgiveness idea can also be seen in Mark 11, and Luke 6, and in the Lords prayer, and then read Matthew 18 the parable and then vs 35. As I read the bible Jesus really has a strong opinion that if you do not forgive, you will not be forgiven. Don't blindly rush forward because Paul seems to override these saying of Jesus.

The whole message of the house built on rock or sand was this: Be a doer of the word, not just a hearer only of the word. In order for the wise man to be able to be saved he had to build his house on a rock and he listened and did it. I believe the emphasis of this saying is on doing what the Lord says to do, so that when the storms come, you will be saved. I can see your OSAS message too, but that is not the message in this saying, because it doen't talk about what happened to the man after the rains came and his house was saved. The story ends there. So to me the saying is about doing, not OSAS.
Obviously we disagree, and that's OK. Everyone has the right to interpret the bible as they see it.