Not By Works

[LightLoveHope]

There is a problem here.

The translation filter has gone wrong. Some claim to obey Christs commands, and accept
the are holy, walking as righteous, pure, Holy people.

Well Amen if this is true.
But if it is true, then why do they oppose everything and make enemies of believers, talking
about lying, slander, insults, lies. I would suggest they are not actually declaring openly what
they believe or follow, so I just stick to scripture.

I am called to live a Holy life, without impurity.
Not as difficult as it sounds, if you have given up the world and dwell in Gods spirit.

But a lot will suddenly talk about country, politics, conspiracies, evil leaders etc.
They are not separate from the world at all, but deeply embedded.

 

[LightLoveHope]

By the way readers, those who claim so much about not telling others what they believe,
they do exactly that, and get it wrong all the time.

I just stick with the apostles teaching, and point out some teaching that departs from
it. It is up to the reader to agree or decide if they actually are part of the teaching,
and if the apostles do not agree with them, are they going to change.

I would sincerely hope so, if they are truly born of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

 

[stonesoffire]

Matthew 12:31-37 (NKJV)
The Unpardonable Sin
31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
A Tree Known by Its Fruit
33 “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit. 34 Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. 35 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. 36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. 37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

A tree is known by its fruit.

So their works can't condemn the said tree because it bears fruit.

It can only bear fruit because it's in the vine, and who is the vine?

So why is a man condemned?

Because by their very words they reject the vine.

Two answers to one question.

"Do you place your faith in Jesus as the son of God who died and rose again for your son's in order to be reconciled to the Father?

If yes then your words justify you.
If no then your words condemn you.

If yes then you are on the vine and you will bear fruit.
If no then your words condemn you and your works mean diddly squat, NADA, zero.

John 6:39-40 (NKJV)
39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BillG again.

I would have written excellent!

 

[Seohce]

99.9% of the word of God is a magical mystery for you....starting with biblical salvation........

Can you refute, prove or all you know is to mock,provoke and accuse or bear false witness. At least prove that God is true and I am a liar.

I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WHEN YOU CALL PEOPLE PROMOTING GOD’S WORD INCLUDING HIS LAWS AND COMMANDMENTS AS WORKERS FOR SALVATION BECAUSE WE SHOULD REALLY BE CO-WORKERS OF GOD ( 1 cor 3:9 ) BUT WHY DO YOU SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM HEARING THE WORD “ZOMBIE"? CAN YOU RELATE TO IT SO BADLY THAT IT BREAKS YOUR HEART? MAYBE IT’S TIME TO BE CHECKING IF YOU ARE STILL IN THE FAITH.

Hebrews 5:7-10 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became THE SOURCE OF ETERNAL SALVATION FOR ALL WHO OBEY HIM and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.

1 Corinthians 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.

John 7:17-18 If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.

1 John 4:1 Test the Spirits Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Proverbs 9:7-10 “Whoever corrects a mocker invites insult; whoever rebukes a wicked man incurs abuse. Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you. instruct a wise man and he will be wiser still; teach a righteous man and he will add to his learning. “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”

 

[LightLoveHope]

Matthew 12:31-37 (NKJV)
The Unpardonable Sin
31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
A Tree Known by Its Fruit
33 “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit. 34 Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. 35 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. 36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. 37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

A tree is known by its fruit.

So their works can't condemn the said tree because it bears fruit.

It can only bear fruit because it's in the vine, and who is the vine?

So why is a man condemned?

Because by their very words they reject the vine.

Two answers to one question.

"Do you place your faith in Jesus as the son of God who died and rose again for your son's in order to be reconciled to the Father?

If yes then your words justify you.
If no then your words condemn you.

If yes then you are on the vine and you will bear fruit.
If no then your words condemn you and your works mean diddly squat, NADA, zero.

John 6:39-40 (NKJV)
39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Funnily this is all about purity in ones heart, abiding in the words of Jesus and God.

I know many do not do this, because it condemns them.
So reading the word is painful, not surprisingly. But this should make them realise
they need to sort out their impurity and not con themselves God and themselves
are ok with their life style and attitude.

Put God on the throne and His love first in ones life and thoughts, and the rest will
find their right place, Amen.

 

[preston39]

I need a translation filter.....QUOTE]


L...,

Use the KJV bible.

It works for me ...as a filter..... from all the new age religion junk.

 

[dcontroversal]

Can you refute, prove or all you know is to mock,provoke and accuse or bear false witness. At least prove that God is true and I am a liar.

I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WHEN YOU CALL PEOPLE PROMOTING GOD’S WORD INCLUDING HIS LAWS AND COMMANDMENTS AS WORKERS FOR SALVATION BECAUSE WE SHOULD REALLY BE CO-WORKERS OF GOD ( 1 cor 3:9 ) BUT WHY DO YOU SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM HEARING THE WORD “ZOMBIE"? CAN YOU RELATE TO IT SO BADLY THAT IT BREAKS YOUR HEART? MAYBE IT’S TIME TO BE CHECKING IF YOU ARE STILL IN THE FAITH.

Hebrews 5:7-10 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became THE SOURCE OF ETERNAL SALVATION FOR ALL WHO OBEY HIM and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.

1 Corinthians 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.

John 7:17-18 If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.

1 John 4:1 Test the Spirits Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Proverbs 9:7-10 “Whoever corrects a mocker invites insult; whoever rebukes a wicked man incurs abuse. Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you. instruct a wise man and he will be wiser still; teach a righteous man and he will add to his learning. “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”

Zombie does not bother me.....but your working for dogma that denies Christ, his work, his faith, his power, his promises while enthroning yourself on the other hand..............fires me right up.........and your ability to be honest about those who teach eternal security and our correct view about God's grace.......

 

[stonesoffire]

By the way readers, those who claim so much about not telling others what they believe,
they do exactly that, and get it wrong all the time.

I just stick with the apostles teaching, and point out some teaching that departs from
it. It is up to the reader to agree or decide if they actually are part of the teaching,
and if the apostles do not agree with them, are they going to change.

I would sincerely hope so, if they are truly born of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Peter,

Have "you" died with Jesus through His Cross of sacrificial blood? Repented of self righteousness, and trying to clean up yourself in order to stand before Father dressed in His robe of righteousnesss alone? That you have nothing to offer Father than His own sacrifice that He gave mankind of His Son? Being then born from above? No longer just a being of earth, but a spiritual being birthed out of heaven itself?

Are you raised then in His Victory over the world spirit, your own defiled flesh nature of sin, and the prince of the power of this air?

Are you one, united with Jesus, a member of His body, moving within and out of Him?

This is salvation.

Selah

 

[stonesoffire]

Funnily this is all about purity in ones heart, abiding in the words of Jesus and God.

I know many do not do this, because it condemns them.
So reading the word is painful, not surprisingly. But this should make them realise
they need to sort out their impurity and not con themselves God and themselves
are ok with their life style and attitude.

Put God on the throne and His love first in ones life and thoughts, and the rest will
find their right place, Amen.

Which words? Rhema or logos?

 

[dcontroversal]

Peter,

Have "you" died with Jesus through His Cross of sacrificial blood? Repented of self righteousness, and trying to clean up yourself in order to stand before Father dressed in His robe of righteousnesss alone? That you have nothing to offer Father than His own sacrifice that He gave mankind of His Son? Being then born from above? No longer just a being of earth, but a spiritual being birthed out of heaven itself?

Are you raised then in His Victory over the world spirit, your own defiled flesh nature of sin, and the prince of the power of this air?

Are you one, united with Jesus, a member of His body, moving within and out of Him?

This is salvation.

Selah

AMEN.....and have you noticed something....I have......many of us have addressed him as PETER and he has not denied it or given us his real first name........

a. If I was not Dave and someone called me Dave I would correct them....

b. If he is Peter he cannot acknowledge it because he is breaking the rules and will be banned again
c. If he is Peter he cannot give us a different 1st name without lying and for one who believes in the loss of salvation for sin he would lose his salvation....

Just a few points to ponder....

LLH...who are you really and why have you not corrected us if your not PETER?

If you are not just tell us plainly...........

 

[VCO]

Now what? Will they build on the mount? Doesn't seem possible because of the muslims.

What is the politics behind keeping the building starting in the City of David. I have lots of questions. Will it be built at all?

The Jews will riot if they build where it should be?

Got lots to search. Lol

The Israeli Antiquities Authority is currently investigating the discoveries at the City of David. I think they are already trying to figure out how to tell the Jewish People that they have been praying at the wrong wall since 400 A.D. I have a site that is dedicated to discussing THIRD TEMPLE NEWS if you want to discuss it further: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/155526-third-temple-news.html


Oh, my understanding is the Church will be Called to the Wedding of the Lamb, just before the Antichrist can take over the Third Temple.

 

[ElAmor]

By your WORDS (NOT WORKS) you will JUSTIFIED and or CONDEMNED.....

FAITH is what the LORD looks for....NOT our WORKS

New International Version 1984 Romans 10:8-18 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.” For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!” But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?” Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did: “Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.”

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?

Matthew 28:18-20 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

 

[stonesoffire]

No if it was 'practicing sin it would be happening every day, with no hope of God forgiving you saved then unsaved
Over here we get 1 inch of snow the country comes to a stand still

I just heard this...

We all or most all know our position of righteousness is imputed. His is applied to our life.

To practice righteousness is this:

1John 1:8 If wevsay we have no sin (refusing to admit that we are sinners, we delude and lead ourselves astray, and the Truth
(which the gospel presents) is not in us (does not dwell in our hearts).

9 If we freely admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is fairhful and just (true to His own nature and promises) and will forgive our sins ( dismiss our lawlessness) and (continuously) cleanse us from all unrighteousness (everything not in conformity to His will in purpose thought and action.

You hit the proverbial nail Bill on another post.

This goes beyond the action of sin, but the motive of why the sin as committed. What was the accuser able to tempt us with? Whatever it is , its the god that we served. The idol of our heart. After the tempter causes the failure, then he accuses. Condemnation. Then we make the choice. Deliverance or bondage. If we choose the latter, we are captive until repentance.

You all may not understand this next thing I'm going to say, but then again, maybe you will...

This is the purpose of prophets in the fellowships. To reveal the secrets of hearts, not for condemnation or embarrassment, but deliverance. Where the Spirit of the Lord is free to flow, there is deliverance.

 

[stonesoffire]

By the way, I watched many healings occur last night. The most obvious to be shown clearly was a blind eye, completely blind, opened and her new eye was better than the other.

Another tonight. Same time, same place, though I don't know what will occur.

 

[stonesoffire]

The Israeli Antiquities Authority is currently investigating the discoveries at the City of David. I think they are already trying to figure out how to tell the Jewish People that they have been praying at the wrong wall since 400 A.D. I have a site that is dedicated to discussing THIRD TEMPLE NEWS if you want to discuss it further: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/155526-third-temple-news.html


Oh, my understanding is the Church will be Called to the Wedding of the Lamb, just before the Antichrist can take over the Third Temple.

Are you seeing the rapture and the wedding as the same occrence? Is my thought but am not up on this prophetic happenings.

 

[stonesoffire]

AMEN.....and have you noticed something....I have......many of us have addressed him as PETER and he has not denied it or given us his real first name........

a. If I was not Dave and someone called me Dave I would correct them....

b. If he is Peter he cannot acknowledge it because he is breaking the rules and will be banned again
c. If he is Peter he cannot give us a different 1st name without lying and for one who believes in the loss of salvation for sin he would lose his salvation....

Just a few points to ponder....

LLH...who are you really and why have you not corrected us if your not PETER?

If you are not just tell us plainly...........

Hes behaving so far. Just a few glitches. Can we hold off for a while?

 

[LightLoveHope]

Self righteousness?

Only guilty people say, God calls us to purity, how dare you suggest we are impure, you only
do this because you are impure, and have a delusion of self righteousness.

Can you read?

God did not call us to be impure but to live a Holy life.

This is just too direct for you. Now the problem with the word of God is it is like this.
Repent and draw near to God, confess your impurity and sin, and trust on the cross to
cleanse you.

Accusing me of self righteousness does not help you. I come a broken man before God,
because I owe all to Him and know through purity we see the truth. But until you have
faith and claim the purity He offers, it will always elude you. It takes real faith to do this,
to walk in the Spirit.

Jesus calls us to die to ourselves, not pretend, or make things a little hard but to actually die.
It appears people have no concept of what dying actually is, when everything is given up, and
all is put on Him. That is always hard, but there is no other way. It is a choice of the will and
a commitment to walk His ways.

 

[stonesoffire]

Self righteousness?

Only guilty people say, God calls us to purity, how dare you suggest we are impure, you only
do this because you are impure, and have a delusion of self righteousness.

Can you read?

God did not call us to be impure but to live a Holy life.

This is just too direct for you. Now the problem with the word of God is it is like this.
Repent and draw near to God, confess your impurity and sin, and trust on the cross to
cleanse you.

Accusing me of self righteousness does not help you. I come a broken man before God,
because I owe all to Him and know through purity we see the truth. But until you have
faith and claim the purity He offers, it will always elude you. It takes real faith to do this,
to walk in the Spirit.

Jesus calls us to die to ourselves, not pretend, or make things a little hard but to actually die.
It appears people have no concept of what dying actually is, when everything is given up, and
all is put on Him. That is always hard, but there is no other way. It is a choice of the will and
a commitment to walk His ways.

ok, Dcontroversal...I can see it's good to have men strong in faith to not listen to us emotional women. I give.

I apologize.

 

[VCO]

New International Version 1984 Romans 10:8-18 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.” For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!” But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?” Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did: “Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.”

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?

Matthew 28:18-20 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

YES, to call Him LORD is to call HIM is to surrender to HIM as your MASTER. BUT that is NOT SALVATION, which is a free gift of HIS MERCY and HIS GRACE.

Romans 4:16 (NCV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] So people receive God’s promise by having faith. This happens so the promise can be a free gift. Then all of Abraham’s children can have that promise. It is not only for those who live under the law of Moses but for anyone who lives with faith like that of Abraham, who is the father of us all.

Romans 5:15 (NCV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But God’s free gift is not like Adam’s sin. Many people died because of the sin of that one man. But the grace from God was much greater; many people received God’s gift of life by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ.

Romans 6:23 (NRSV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 4:3-5 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what does the Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Now to the one who works, pay is not considered as a gift, but as something owed.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But to the one who does not work, but believes on Him who declares the ungodly to be righteous, his faith is credited for righteousness.


We willingly serve HIM because of LOVE, and that kind of LOVE is a natural by product of GOD's LOVE that the HOLY SPIRIT poured into our hearts, Rom 5:5. It is not Salvation, IT IS LOVE FOR HIM.


1 John 4:19 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] We love because He first loved us.

Romans 5:8-10 (NRSV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But God proves his love for us in that while we still were sinners Christ died for us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Much more surely then, now that we have been justified by his blood, will we be saved through him from the wrath of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more surely, having been reconciled, will we be saved by his life.

 

[ElAmor]

Zombie does not bother me.....but your working for dogma that denies Christ, his work, his faith, his power, his promises while enthroning yourself on the other hand..............fires me right up.........and your ability to be honest about those who teach eternal security and our correct view about God's grace.......

Why can't you just show everyone where Seohce did all you've been accusing him of instead of lieing and provoking everyone who disagree with you to arguments. What spirit do you think will lead you to do this?

John 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

Matthew 28:19-20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Are you obeying His commands with the behaviour you're showing here in a Christian forum? Are you walking in LOVE? If yes, God is asking you....

“Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?

Jude 1:17-25 A Call to Persevere But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the spirit. But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit. Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life. Be merciful to those who doubt; snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh. Doxology To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.

1 Timothy 6:20-21 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith. Grace be with you.