GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[LoveGodForever]

Hi again!

I'd like to point out that Sabbath Torah properly INCLUDES ceremonial/sacrificial/Levitical activity (Nu. 28:9-10). Even for the future as well (Eze. 46:4,12).

So, there is MORE to the Sabbath than merely remembering "the God of creation who set aside the 7th day of the week making it a Holy day were no work was to be conducted", even though this is, of course, important too.

Well ok, just wanted to emphasize that point...

regards...

The Sabbath did have ceremonial/sacrificial/Levitical activity, but this was ONLY in relation to the annual Jewish festivals and I disagree that the ceremonial/sacrificial/Levitical duties are to be continued in the new testament but maybe we can share more scripture latter in your new thread.

This idea disagrees with Hebrews chapters 4-13 where these duties are being fulfilled in the Heavenly Sanctuary with Jesus as our sacrifice and great high priest. Numbers 28, like Leviticus 23 are chapters in realation to the annual Jewish festivals not the what is to be done for every weekly Sabbath outside of the annual festivals.

Ok look forward to sharing more latter in your new thread.

 

[lightbearer]

I get irritated with long attacks on what was a simple statement about the origin of a concept. .... A long diatribe in response was uncalled for.

Long Attacks and diatribes? You might want to actually read LoveGodFoever's post. No where in it did he attack you.

Originally Posted by LoveGodForever

That has absolutely no truth in it whatsoever. All Acts 20:7 says is that the disciples met to have a meal together because Paul was departing the next day.

God's Word indeed disagrees with you.........

Jesus taught the 10 commandments…..

1. Jesus kept God’s Law (10 commandments) and said the Law and the prophets would not pass away (Matt 5:17-18)
2. Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
3. Jesus taught that Love is the fulfilling (doing) of God’s Law (10 commandments Matt 22:36-40)
4. If we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not following God (Matt 15:3-9)
5. Jesus says if we commit sin we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin (John 8:32-36)
6. Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love (John 14:15; 15:10
7. If anyone is breaking any of God’s commandments and teaching others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven <least = lost> (Matt 5:19)
8. No one can obey God’s Law producing the fruit of obedience of ourselves and unless we abide in Jesus we can do nothing (John 15:4-10)

Paul affirms the Ten Commandments……

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.
2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
4. Paul asks that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
6 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jer 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Heb 8:7-11
7. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16
AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
8. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Rom 7:12)
10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Rom 3:20; 7:7)
11. The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death (Rom 6:23)
12. If we break God's Law we dishonor God (Rom 2:23)
13. If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God (Rom 3:19)
14. We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us (Rom 3:31)
15. If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law (Rom 6:1-7)
16. We should not break God's Law if we are under grace (Rom 6:15)
17. We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts (Rom 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2)
18. It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus (Gal 3:24)
19. God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness (Rom 6:22)
20. We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith (Rom 2:4-13)
21. God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word (Rom 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Heb 8:9-10)
22. If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements (Heb 10:26-27)

John affirms the 10 commandments……

1. John says it is only by keeping God’s 10 commandments that we know that we know God (1 John 2:3)
2. If someone says that they know God and do not keep God’s 10 commandments they are lying and not telling the truth (1 John 2:4)
3. We should purify ourselves as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3)
4. Sin is the breaking of God’s 10 commandments (1 John 3:4)
5. Whoever is abiding in Christ does not commit sin (1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10)
6. If you are in unrepentant sin you have not seen Jesus or know him (1 John 3:6)
7. John warns us that only those that are obedience to God’s Law are his true followers (1 John 3:7)
8. If someone is committing unrepentant sin they are following the devil and not God (1 John 3:7)
9. If you are born of God and abiding in him you will not commit sin (1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10
10. It is the keeping of God’s commandments that is the difference between those that are following God and those that are not following God (1 John 3:10; 1 John 5:3)
11. It is only by Love through faith that we can keep God’s commandments (1 John 5:3-4)
12. God’s true believers in the end days will keep all of God’s commandments through faith in Jesus (Rev 14:12; 22:14)

James also affirms the 10 commandments…….

1. James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law (James 2:8)
2. If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law (James 2:9-11)
3. James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom (James 2:12)
4. The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment (James 2:12)
5. If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith (James 2:16-26)

Peter affirms the 10 commandments……..

1. Sanctification is to obedience to God’s Law (1 Pet 1:2)
2. We can only be changed from sin to obedience to God’s Law by the power of God and it will be revealed in the last days (1 Pet 1:5)
3. We should give up our sins to be holy because Jesus is holy (1 Pet 1:13-16)
4. Jesus is your example who did no sin (1 Pet 2:21-22)
5. Cease from sin and do not live in the flesh (1 Pet 4:1-3)
6. Judgement will begin at the house of God and sinners (those breaking God’s 10 commandments) will not be saved.
7. God has given us his precious promises and as we believe them God will grant us his divine power to live a life of Godliness (obedience to God’s Law; 2 Pet 1:2-4)
8. The Un-Godly (disobedient to God’s Law) will be like Sodom and Gomorrah (2 Pet 2:6)
9. If any turn away from God’s Law and are in unrepentant sin breaking any of God’10 commandments they will be lost (2 Pet 2:20-22)
10 God is not willing that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments because those that do not will receive the judgements of God (2 Pet 3:5-14)

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfils God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10). If we knowingly break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4).

This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day.

Yep seems like a LOT of scipture disagrees with you my friend.​

 

[lightbearer]

Fulfill is in as do (execute); not do away with.
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil Execute to the fullest). For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled (caused to be).
(Mat 5:17-18 KJV)

Starting at the beginning, if I had bought a car 100 years ago, (I'm only 73) then I would have followed the Highway Code as it was then and I would have been 'fulfilling' the law. So do I still follow the Old Highway Code or the New, updated revised Highway Code? For to do-so is to fulfil or (execute) the law, that was 'revised' 2000 years ago, or do I still look for a man with a red flag and pretend nothing has happened in the meantime?

The prophecies in Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Deuteronomy 30:11-14 were and should be understood to encapsulate the moral codes found in the Book of the Law and the Ten Commandments in their entirety. We don't get to pick and choose which ones.

Romans 10:6-8 is a quote from Deut. 30:10-14. Paul paraphrased it so that they would look it up. We will start in verse six of Deut. so that it is clear that the Gospel was taught and available since Moses if not before.

And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.​

(Deu 30:6 KJV)

The fulfillment of this circumcision from GOD of Christ is stated in Deut 30:10-14. The readers of this letter would have been drawn to this passage from the beginning of the letter. It is written, "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly;
and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."(Rom 2:28-29 KJV)

Which GOD promised to do in Deut. 30:6. Which when he did he then spoke the fulfilment of it in verses 10-14. Please take notice to the present tense.



If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep
his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But
the wordis very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.(Deut 30:10-14 KJV)

The LXX translation of this text adds "and in thy hand" to verse 14.

With the above text in mind please note that the phrases "HIS commandments and HIS statutes which are written in this book of the law" and "the Word" are being used synonymously. In this instance they are interchangeable. Please take notice that in Deut. 30 the Judgments are not mentioned.

With that being established let's take a look at Romans 10:6-8 now.

But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(Rom 10:6-8 KJV)

So while the Israelis and Romans were reading this letter they would have been reading the Pentateuch and some of the other books from the Old Testament also. Actually with more regard. When they came to this verse they would of seen the similarities to Deut. and would have looked up the verses there and read them in parallel. In doing so would have tied everything together synonymously keeping everything in harmony to one another.

For the LORD our GOD will circumcise our hearts and the hearts of our seed. For righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law. In other words the Word; the Divine utterances. The Word manifested in the flesh; Christ) down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law. In other words the Word; the Divine utterances. The Word manifested in the flesh; Christ) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law; the Divine utterances; Christ, the Word manifested in the flesh manifested in our flesh) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart and in thy hand: (that thou mayest do it) that is, the word of faith, which we preach.

And that my friends would include all the moral code in the Book of the Law and the Decalogue. Including the Sabbath.


With the above understanding of verses Rom. 10:6-8; when they who received this letter in Rome read verse four they would have understood it as Christ being the goal of the law for righteousness sake, in the putting off the body of Sin through the indwelling of Christ. Being No longer of the letter but of HIS Spirit.
As it is written, "And they two shall be one flesh". The Body of Christ; the Temple of GOD. For it is GOD that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. As Jesus said, "HE doeth work"!

 

[PS]

The prophecies in Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Deuteronomy 30:11-14 were and should be understood to encapsulate the moral codes found in the Book of the Law and the Ten Commandments in their entirety. We don't get to pick and choose which ones.

Romans 10:6-8 is a quote from Deut. 30:10-14. Paul paraphrased it so that they would look it up. We will start in verse six of Deut. so that it is clear that the Gospel was taught and available since Moses if not before.

And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.​

(Deu 30:6 KJV)

The fulfillment of this circumcision from GOD of Christ is stated in Deut 30:10-14. The readers of this letter would have been drawn to this passage from the beginning of the letter. It is written, "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly;
and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."(Rom 2:28-29 KJV)

Which GOD promised to do in Deut. 30:6. Which when he did he then spoke the fulfilment of it in verses 10-14. Please take notice to the present tense.



If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep
his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But
the wordis very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.(Deut 30:10-14 KJV)

The LXX translation of this text adds "and in thy hand" to verse 14.

With the above text in mind please note that the phrases "HIS commandments and HIS statutes which are written in this book of the law" and "the Word" are being used synonymously. In this instance they are interchangeable. Please take notice that in Deut. 30 the Judgments are not mentioned.

With that being established let's take a look at Romans 10:6-8 now.

But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(Rom 10:6-8 KJV)

So while the Israelis and Romans were reading this letter they would have been reading the Pentateuch and some of the other books from the Old Testament also. Actually with more regard. When they came to this verse they would of seen the similarities to Deut. and would have looked up the verses there and read them in parallel. In doing so would have tied everything together synonymously keeping everything in harmony to one another.

For the LORD our GOD will circumcise our hearts and the hearts of our seed. For righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law. In other words the Word; the Divine utterances. The Word manifested in the flesh; Christ) down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law. In other words the Word; the Divine utterances. The Word manifested in the flesh; Christ) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law; the Divine utterances; Christ, the Word manifested in the flesh manifested in our flesh) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart and in thy hand: (that thou mayest do it) that is, the word of faith, which we preach.

And that my friends would include all the moral code in the Book of the Law and the Decalogue. Including the Sabbath.


With the above understanding of verses Rom. 10:6-8; when they who received this letter in Rome read verse four they would have understood it as Christ being the goal of the law for righteousness sake, in the putting off the body of Sin through the indwelling of Christ. Being No longer of the letter but of HIS Spirit.
As it is written, "And they two shall be one flesh". The Body of Christ; the Temple of GOD. For it is GOD that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. As Jesus said, "HE doeth work"!

First of all you missed the point about the NEW Covenant, which is NOT the Old Covenant.

Second, Jeremiah 31:32 tells us it is, "Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers"

Third, Paul tells us there is the righteousness of the law, and then he leads us into an understanding of the righteousness of faith, but first of all he tells us NOT to, "Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above(7) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) (This is to crucify Jesus again.)

But instead do this:-

(9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
(11) For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
(12) For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
(13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

This is Christianity which is for Jew and Gentile alike. The law made with the Israelites has been superseded by God who gave us a NEW LAW that requires faith in Jesus Christ. This is something the Jews kick against.

 

[mailmandan]

The way I expect it to? That you would lie, and misrepresent, and refuse to admit you were wrong, and cannot answer a simple yes or no question? Well, if those were my expectations, you lived up to them to a tee.

Amen sister! What do you expect from someone who perverts the Gospel? We are not fooled by his trickery and deceit or his psycho babble and rhetoric. The Gospel is not simply defined as "Jesus" yet the good news is about Jesus (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). The Gospel is also not simply defined as "the entire Word of God" for not everything contained in the Word of God is "good news." With his flawed logic, the fall of mankind, tribulation, suffering, death, hell etc.. (which is all mentioned in the Word of God) is good news.

LGF is severely confused and deceived. Prior to the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, did believers understand the full picture of Christ dying on the cross for their sins? Later in His ministry, Jesus explained to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life (Matthew 16:21-22).

How did His disciples react to this message? Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”

Peter and the other disciples did not understand the full truth that is revealed in (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Ephesians 3:1-9), yet they were saved because they believed that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God (Matthew 16:16; John 20:31) and they knew God would take care of their sin problem. They didn't exactly understand the full picture of how He would accomplish that, any more than Adam, Abraham, Moses, or David knew how, but they believed God.

In Galatians 3:8, we read - And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel (good news) to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed." 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham. Full picture not yet revealed (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Ephesians 3:1-9).

In Luke 18:31-34, we read - “Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem,…And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

Hmm... that's strange if the dispensation of the grace of God that came through a revelation of Jesus Christ to Paul (Galatians 1:11-12) and was a mystery (Ephesians 3:1-9) prior to that has the same exact content as the good news of the kingdom. *This is where we need to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH.*

It's interesting how LGF mainly points to the gospel "good news" of the kingdom which was preached to Israel by John the Baptist, Jesus and his disciples, but mentions nothing about Ephesians 3:1-9. He has very little to say about what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Romans 1:16 either.

After his crucifixion, instead of anxiously awaiting his resurrection, the apostles were still ignorant, disheartened at the death of their redeemer, and did not even at first believe the testimony of his resurrection (Mark 16:14, Luke 24:19-24).

It was not until after his resurrection that Jesus appeared to the apostles and opened their understanding (Luke 24:44-47).

*If the good news of the kingdom, prior to the cross has the exact same content as the gospel of grace after the cross, then Matthew 10:5-7; 16:21-22; Mark 16:14; Luke 18:31-34; 24:19-24, 44-47, along with Ephesians 3:1-9 are all superfluous passages of scripture. Before the cross, the gospel of grace that Paul taught and came to him through a revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12) was still a mystery (Ephesians 3:3-9).

In this age, therefore, there is a distinctive element to the content of the good news which is called "the mystery of the gospel" (see Ephesians 6:19 and compare with Colossians 1:26-27; 4:3). This new revelation is that the Gentiles are fellow-heirs and fellow-members of the body, and fellow-partakers of the promise (Ephesians 3:6). Such equality, Jew and Gentile united together in one body, was previously unknown.

The distinctive message of the church is that Jew and Gentile alike may believe the gospel and be united together into ONE BODY (Ephesians 1:13; 1 Corinthians 12:13).

LGF doesn't seem to understand any of this and his message of "Jesus is the gospel and the gospel is every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God that we are to obey" is just SDA propaganda and is a flat out deception! By teaching the gospel is EVERY word that proceeds out of the mouth of God allows LGF to cherry pick whatever "works" that he wants from the word of God and "add" them to the Gospel and make them necessary for salvation (Galatians 1:6-9).

In his case, salvation by obeying the 10 commandments (with a heavy emphasis on the 4th commandment - keeping the Sabbath day holy - "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works") which is his "different" gospel and is a ministry of death! (2 Corinthians 3:6-9).

 

[Studyman]

Too many people don't understand the complete gospel message.

Jesus said the law was eternal.
Sin is transgression of the law.
Jesus sacrificed Himself so any accepting Him as savior has their sins forgiven.

Without the law there is no sin. There are 613 rules in the law as written in the Torah. No one has the ability to keep all of them.

There is not now, nor has there ever been 613 laws for a common man to keep. This is another falsehood that get's taught without any regard to the source. Those "many" who come in His Name, who preach this falsehood do not consider the priesthood Law given to the Levites, and not to the people. But to further the preaching which started with the serpent and Eve, these are clumped together to create the lie that God's Instructions are so burdensome, so unjust, so grievous, so many, that it is impossible to comply. Therefore, the implication is Jesus gave His life to save us from His unjust Father and His grievous instructions.

This is another one of many insidious lies that is taught for doctrines in most mainstream Christian church's today. And one that is easily exposed with God's Word.

 

[Studyman]

Hi Studyman,

Anyone can string texts of scripture together and make it say what they want. Every cult does this, and this is exactly what LGF does - he strings texts together and adds SDA spin to the text and with a slight of hand and a 'hey presto' we have legalism.

LGF makes a case for one of God's Instructions, His Sabbath, that Jesus said was created for man. This instruction has been destroyed by the Catholic church and most all her daughters which make up "Christianity". I do not belong to the SDA, but I have studied God's Word apart from the influence of any religious franchise and have found by the Word of God that This instruction is still in force, and is essential in understanding God's Will.

I have also followed your posts as I am a person seeking truth and know that God, through the foolishness of teaching, often times teaches others through men.

But your preaching seems more intent on defending religious franchise doctrines, rather than understanding God's Word. You seem more interested in defending your church traditions and religious practice than to "take heed" of the "MANY" Jesus warned about.

I have my disagreements with the SDA as an organization, but as far as LGF and his take on God's Holy to Him, Holy to us, Sanctified, set apart Sabbath, I can find no disagreement. The Word is clear, and LGF has covered it thoroughly and completely, from both the Old Testament and the New Testament. His long posts of scripture shows his commitment to making sure he isn't omitting and twisting scripture to form a vision of his own mind.

The only way to discredit his conclusion is to claim the OT is not valid anymore, or that Jesus is a respecter of persons and created different commands for Jews and Gentiles. Or that He has destroyed God's Instructions which "many" who come in His name also preach.

There are some things that are just Biblical truth Phil36. And God's Sabbath that Jesus is Lord of, that He created for man, is one of them.

 

[lightbearer]

There is not now, nor has there ever been 613 laws for a common man to keep. This is another falsehood that get's taught without any regard to the source. Those "many" who come in His Name, who preach this falsehood do not consider the priesthood Law given to the Levites, and not to the people. But to further the preaching which started with the serpent and Eve, these are clumped together to create the lie that God's Instructions are so burdensome, so unjust, so grievous, so many, that it is impossible to comply. Therefore, the implication is Jesus gave His life to save us from His unjust Father and His grievous instructions.

This is another one of many insidious lies that is taught for doctrines in most mainstream Christian church's today. And one that is easily exposed with God's Word.

Well said brother.

 

[PS]

LGF makes a case for one of God's Instructions, His Sabbath, that Jesus said was created for man. This instruction has been destroyed by the Catholic church and most all her daughters which make up "Christianity". I do not belong to the SDA, but I have studied God's Word apart from the influence of any religious franchise and have found by the Word of God that This instruction is still in force, and is essential in understanding God's Will.

I have also followed your posts as I am a person seeking truth and know that God, through the foolishness of teaching, often times teaches others through men.

But your preaching seems more intent on defending religious franchise doctrines, rather than understanding God's Word. You seem more interested in defending your church traditions and religious practice than to "take heed" of the "MANY" Jesus warned about.

I have my disagreements with the SDA as an organization, but as far as LGF and his take on God's Holy to Him, Holy to us, Sanctified, set apart Sabbath, I can find no disagreement. The Word is clear, and LGF has covered it thoroughly and completely, from both the Old Testament and the New Testament. His long posts of scripture shows his commitment to making sure he isn't omitting and twisting scripture to form a vision of his own mind.

The only way to discredit his conclusion is to claim the OT is not valid anymore, or that Jesus is a respecter of persons and created different commands for Jews and Gentiles. Or that He has destroyed God's Instructions which "many" who come in His name also preach.

There are some things that are just Biblical truth Phil36. And God's Sabbath that Jesus is Lord of, that He created for man, is one of them.

Are there any of the seven days of the week that you think might have a special significance for Christians? If so, which one, and why please?

 

[Jackson123]

It is your understanding of the Scripture that has no truth in it. If you do NOT understand the truth of God's WORD how can you know the POWER of God's WORD? God's Word has truth indeed it is your understanding of God's Word that has no truth.



Now really Jackson what do you think the LAW in Hebrews 7:12-19 is talking about?

Let's have a look at the scriptures...

Hebrews 7
1, For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2, To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3, Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like to the Son of God; stays a priest continually.
4, Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
5, And truly they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brothers, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

What law is this talking about? Is it the 10 Commandments?

6, But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
7, And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
8, And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.
9, And as I may so say, Levi also, who receives tithes, paid tithes in Abraham.
10, For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
11, If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

What law is this talking about? Is it the 10 Commandments?

12, For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

NOW; What law is this talking about? Is it the 10 Commandments?

13, For he of whom these things are spoken pertains to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14, For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.
15, And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there rises another priest,
16, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment,but after the power of an endless life.

NOW; What law is this talking about? Is it the 10 Commandments? Are God's Commandments carnal? Nope...
Romans 7:12 Why the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. What law is it talking about?

17, For he testifies, You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18, For there is truly a cancellation of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19, For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw near to God.

NOW; What law is this talking about? Is it the 10 Commandments? Or the shadow laws for animal sacrifices and the earthly priesthood from the Mosaic book of the covenant?

20, And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
21, (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said to him, The Lord swore and will not repent, You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
22, By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
23, And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
24, But this man, because he continues ever, has an unchangeable priesthood.
25, Why he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come to God by him, seeing he ever lives to make intercession for them.
26, For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
27, Who needs not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
28, For the law makes men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, makes the Son, who is consecrated for ever more.

If you read the OP or if you know what the OLD Covenant is you would know my friend that the OLD Covnenant was made up of two key laws.

1 God's 10 Commandments which was made by God himself on two tables of stone and spoken by God himself to his people and

2. The Mosiac book of the Covenant for remission of SINS (Sin offerings and the ceremonial laws and ordinances of the Mosaic Priesthood and Sanctuary for the remission or forgiveness of when God's LAW was broken).

Both laws of the OLD Covenant had a different purpose.

1. God's LAW has the same purpose it has today it is the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS

2. The Mosiac laws for remission (Forgiveness) of SIN are Shadows fulfilled in Christ our great high priest.

You do err not KNOWING the scriptures. I hope this help your my friend. It is not too late for you my friend if you turn to God and seek him. This is up to you. You can choose to BELIEVE God's WORD or not. Your salvation is now between you and God.

NOW if you still believe the above is talking about God's 10 Commandments show me in God's 10 Commandments where it is referring to the Levitical priesthood and SIN offereings?

.............

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

my Dear, you question are 10 commandment talking about carnal is Interesting question

This is the definition of carnal dear

adjective1.pertaining to or characterized by the flesh or thebody, its passions and appetites; sensual:carnal pleasures.


2.not spiritual; merely human; temporal; worldly:


Carnal is not spiritual, or physical

Spirit, is something that normal human eyes can not see.

sabbath law, not work in sabbath is physical, not spirit. We can see If a man open his office oN sabbath, or work in MC Donald in sabbath.

hope you understand Dear

 

[BibleGuy]

Hi BibleGuy,

I think this may be better for another thread as it is a bit sidetracked from the OP here. If you start up another thread send me a link I will be happy to comment. Although could I ask for some clarification here?

When you say that the priestly/Levitical/sacrificial is to be restored are you talking about offering animal sacrifices and sin offereings here on earth? Wouldn't this make a mockery of the work that Jesus has done already on our behalf as our sacrifice for sin?

How do your thoughts above fit in with the NEW Covenant and their fulfillment in Christ and his Heavenly priesthood and sacrifice discussed in Hebrews Chapters 4-13 to which the earthly priestly/Levitical/sacrificial pointed to?

Also did you know God's people already go through their captivity with the curses from Deuteronomy 30 with captivity from other nations (Balylon, Medes and Persians, Greece, Roman empires) leading to the fullfillment in Jesus?

Anyhow thanks for your advice in case I have a wrong understanding on what you are saying.

May God bless you as you study his Word.

Hi LoveGodForever,

I just started up the thread we had talked about starting.

Feel free to join in.

I'd like to learn how you deal with the Scriptural considerations I've brought forth which confirm that we Christians will participate in a restored priestly/Levitical system in which animal sacrifices are resumed.

Here's the link: http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-sacrifices-resume-us-future.html#post3450909

 

[Jackson123]

It is your understanding of the Scripture that has no truth in it. If you do NOT understand the truth of God's WORD how can you know the POWER of God's WORD? God's Word has truth indeed it is your understanding of God's Word that has no truth.



Now really Jackson what do you think the LAW in Hebrews 7:12-19 is talking about?

Let's have a look at the scriptures...

Hebrews 7
1, For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2, To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3, Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like to the Son of God; stays a priest continually.
4, Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
5, And truly they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brothers, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

What law is this talking about? Is it the 10 Commandments?

6, But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
7, And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
8, And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.
9, And as I may so say, Levi also, who receives tithes, paid tithes in Abraham.
10, For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
11, If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

What law is this talking about? Is it the 10 Commandments?

12, For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

NOW; What law is this talking about? Is it the 10 Commandments?

13, For he of whom these things are spoken pertains to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14, For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.
15, And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there rises another priest,
16, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment,but after the power of an endless life.

NOW; What law is this talking about? Is it the 10 Commandments? Are God's Commandments carnal? Nope...
Romans 7:12 Why the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. What law is it talking about?

17, For he testifies, You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18, For there is truly a cancellation of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19, For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw near to God.

NOW; What law is this talking about? Is it the 10 Commandments? Or the shadow laws for animal sacrifices and the earthly priesthood from the Mosaic book of the covenant?

20, And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
21, (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said to him, The Lord swore and will not repent, You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
22, By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
23, And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
24, But this man, because he continues ever, has an unchangeable priesthood.
25, Why he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come to God by him, seeing he ever lives to make intercession for them.
26, For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
27, Who needs not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
28, For the law makes men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, makes the Son, who is consecrated for ever more.

If you read the OP or if you know what the OLD Covenant is you would know my friend that the OLD Covnenant was made up of two key laws.

1 God's 10 Commandments which was made by God himself on two tables of stone and spoken by God himself to his people and

2. The Mosiac book of the Covenant for remission of SINS (Sin offerings and the ceremonial laws and ordinances of the Mosaic Priesthood and Sanctuary for the remission or forgiveness of when God's LAW was broken).

Both laws of the OLD Covenant had a different purpose.

1. God's LAW has the same purpose it has today it is the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS

2. The Mosiac laws for remission (Forgiveness) of SIN are Shadows fulfilled in Christ our great high priest.

You do err not KNOWING the scriptures. I hope this help your my friend. It is not too late for you my friend if you turn to God and seek him. This is up to you. You can choose to BELIEVE God's WORD or not. Your salvation is now between you and God.

NOW if you still believe the above is talking about God's 10 Commandments show me in God's 10 Commandments where it is referring to the Levitical priesthood and SIN offereings?

.............

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

this is your question Dear:

is 10 commandment carnal

adjective1.pertaining to or characterized by the flesh or thebody, its passions and appetites; sensual:carnal pleasures.


2.not spiritual; merely human; temporal; worldly:

spirit is some thing that you can see. Animal sacrifice some thing you can see, inside of the people mind you never know If he is serious or not. Cain and abel do sacrifice, look like they do the same, but inside only one of them is doing honest.

observed sabbath is carnal, others able to see If you close your office oN sabbath or not.

 

[Jackson123]

'A Change' means a change....it does NOT mean 'abolished.
Sabbath day is still Sabbath day and still holy ...
just in NT Observed DIFFERENT than in OT....that is the change !

you are correct Dear, change is not abolish.

Sabbath law is change, we all need rest, is not abolish, but change, No longer physically rest, but in Jesus we rest every day.

It may appear work, but It is rest in mind. No longer worry what to Eat to day or tommorow, No longer worry If we go to hell when we die etc. That is real rest Dear

 

[Endoscopy]

We are not justified by works of the law. The Gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16).

To “believe” the Gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. The Gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws or statutes to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation.

The Gospel is not salvation by obeying the 10 commandments or keeping the Sabbath day. That is a "different" gospel.

1 Corinthians 1:21 - For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who BELIEVE.

I totally agree with you. The law Jesus said is eternal.

Short good news.

The law is eternal.
Breaking this law is sin.
Paul stated without the law we would not know what sin is
All break the law and sin.
Our sin condemns us.
Jesus sacrificed himself so those who accept him have their sins removed from them.

 

[Studyman]

Are there any of the seven days of the week that you think might have a special significance for Christians? If so, which one, and why please?

What I think is irrelevant. My thoughts already killed me. My thoughts have been crucified with Christ. Now I no longer rely on my thoughts. I no longer trust my thoughts. Instead I take a leap of Faith that the Word's Of God/Jesus are wiser than me. I changed from trusting my thoughts to trusting God's Words. Isn't that the instruction? I let Him define good and evil, not my mind. I let Him define sin and righteousness, not my mind. I let Him define my walk, not my own understanding.

So you are a smart guy, you seem to have some knowledge of the Word called the Bible. You can answer your own question.

Did God separate a specific day in 7 as special or set apart? And if the answer is yes, is there any indication of who is Lord of the specific day? Did Jesus give any indication about who this specific day was created for?

The answer is already in your heart, the question is, do you trust God/Jesus enough to believe it.

 

[beta]

you are correct Dear, change is not abolish.

Sabbath law is change, we all need rest, is not abolish, but change, No longer physically rest, but in Jesus we rest every day.

It may appear work, but It is rest in mind. No longer worry what to Eat to day or tommorow, No longer worry If we go to hell when we die etc. That is real rest Dear

You keep making this massive jump from one day to every day when you have NOT YET learned to keep one day (God's Sabbath) holy as GOD requires. I am not talking of OT observance no longer practiced but how we keep it in the NT. Just start with the ONE day principle to HONOUR GOD ...not yourself or your opinion ! THAT is 'learning obedience you still lack ! Heb 5v8, 9.

 

[beta]

What I think is irrelevant. My thoughts already killed me. My thoughts have been crucified with Christ. Now I no longer rely on my thoughts. I no longer trust my thoughts. Instead I take a leap of Faith that the Word's Of God/Jesus are wiser than me. I changed from trusting my thoughts to trusting God's Words. Isn't that the instruction? I let Him define good and evil, not my mind. I let Him define sin and righteousness, not my mind. I let Him define my walk, not my own understanding.

So you are a smart guy, you seem to have some knowledge of the Word called the Bible. You can answer your own question.

Did God separate a specific day in 7 as special or set apart? And if the answer is yes, is there any indication of who is Lord of the specific day? Did Jesus give any indication about who this specific day was created for?

The answer is already in your heart, the question is, do you trust God/Jesus enough to believe it.

Great Post the disobedient should read and take note of !!!

 

[PS]

What I think is irrelevant. My thoughts already killed me. My thoughts have been crucified with Christ. Now I no longer rely on my thoughts. I no longer trust my thoughts. Instead I take a leap of Faith that the Word's Of God/Jesus are wiser than me. I changed from trusting my thoughts to trusting God's Words. Isn't that the instruction? I let Him define good and evil, not my mind. I let Him define sin and righteousness, not my mind. I let Him define my walk, not my own understanding.

So you are a smart guy, you seem to have some knowledge of the Word called the Bible. You can answer your own question.

Did God separate a specific day in 7 as special or set apart? And if the answer is yes, is there any indication of who is Lord of the specific day? Did Jesus give any indication about who this specific day was created for?

The answer is already in your heart, the question is, do you trust God/Jesus enough to believe it.

Starting with Jeremiah 31 beginning at verse 1 we read:

"At the same time, (in the latter days)

saith the LORD, I will be the God of all the families of Israel, ("I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob said Jesus Mat 22:32)

and they shall be my people. (For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. Rom 11:27)

I have loved you with an everlasting love; (Who shall separate us from the love of Christ Rom 8:35)

therefore with loving kindness have I drawn thee. ("I am he," Jesus replied to the woman at the well, "the one who is speaking to you."Joh 4:26)

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

With the New Covenant comes a new day http://www.bible.ca/7-sunday-significance-for-christians.htm

 

[LoveGodForever]

Originally Posted by LoveGodForever

It is your understanding of the Scripture that has no truth in it. If you do NOT understand the truth of God's WORD how can you know the POWER of God's WORD? God's Word has truth indeed it is your understanding of God's Word that has no truth.



Now really Jackson what do you think the LAW in Hebrews 7:12-19 is talking about?

Let's have a look at the scriptures...

Hebrews 7
1, For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2, To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3, Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like to the Son of God; stays a priest continually.
4, Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
5, And truly they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brothers, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

What law is this talking about? Is it the 10 Commandments?

6, But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
7, And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
8, And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.
9, And as I may so say, Levi also, who receives tithes, paid tithes in Abraham.
10, For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
11, If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

What law is this talking about? Is it the 10 Commandments?

12, For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

NOW; What law is this talking about? Is it the 10 Commandments?

13, For he of whom these things are spoken pertains to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14, For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.
15, And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there rises another priest,
16, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment,but after the power of an endless life.

NOW; What law is this talking about? Is it the 10 Commandments? Are God's Commandments carnal? Nope...
Romans 7:12 Why the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. What law is it talking about?

17, For he testifies, You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18, For there is truly a cancellation of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19, For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw near to God.

NOW; What law is this talking about? Is it the 10 Commandments? Or the shadow laws for animal sacrifices and the earthly priesthood from the Mosaic book of the covenant?

20, And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
21, (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said to him, The Lord swore and will not repent, You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
22, By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
23, And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
24, But this man, because he continues ever, has an unchangeable priesthood.
25, Why he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come to God by him, seeing he ever lives to make intercession for them.
26, For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
27, Who needs not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
28, For the law makes men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, makes the Son, who is consecrated for ever more.

If you read the OP or if you know what the OLD Covenant is you would know my friend that the OLD Covnenant was made up of two key laws.

1 God's 10 Commandments which was made by God himself on two tables of stone and spoken by God himself to his people and

2. The Mosiac book of the Covenant for remission of SINS (Sin offerings and the ceremonial laws and ordinances of the Mosaic Priesthood and Sanctuary for the remission or forgiveness of when God's LAW was broken).

Both laws of the OLD Covenant had a different purpose.

1. God's LAW has the same purpose it has today it is the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS

2. The Mosiac laws for remission (Forgiveness) of SIN are Shadows fulfilled in Christ our great high priest.

You do err not KNOWING the scriptures. I hope this help your my friend. It is not too late for you my friend if you turn to God and seek him. This is up to you. You can choose to BELIEVE God's WORD or not. Your salvation is now between you and God.

NOW if you still believe the above is talking about God's 10 Commandments show me in God's 10 Commandments where it is referring to the Levitical priesthood and SIN offereings?

.............

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

Now Jackson was that really my question in the post I sent you earlier?

You posted that because there is a change of Priesthood that there is NO more God's 10 Commandments then quoted Hebrews 7:11.

Then we went through a lot of the Chapter of Hebrews 7 to show you that Hebrews 7 is not even talking about God's 10 Commandments in reference to the scripture you quoted.

So no Jackson let's it is very simple my friend you do not KNOW God's WORD and your teaching others that God's 10 Commandments are done away in order to keep your tradition that breaks God's LAW.

The questions I asked you were in relation to each of the scriptures we looked at in Hebrews 7. I asked you to tell me what law was being discussed. This was to show you and help you to see that the scriptures of Hebrews 7 and v11 are NOT talking about God's 10 Commandments.

Now you post something that is not even relevant to what is being discussed in the post I sent you?

You come back with this post................

this is your question Dear:

is 10 commandment carnal

adjective
1.pertaining to or characterized by the flesh or thebody, its passions and appetites; sensual:carnal pleasures.

2.not spiritual; merely human; temporal; worldly: not spiritual; merely human; temporal; worldly:

Now let's look at what you have posted above...

Your trying to make an argument to say that God's 10 Commandments are Carnel right?

STRONGS: CARNAL is G4559 σαρκικός sarkikos (sar-kiy-kos') adj.
1. carnal, pertaining to flesh. 2. that which is motivated and controlled through the appetites and desires of the flesh.3. (by extension) bodily, temporal. 4. (by implication) animal, unregenerate. [from G4561] KJV: carnal, fleshly
from G4561 σάρξ sarx (sarx') n.1. flesh (as stripped of the skin). 2. (strictly) the meat of an animal (as food).
3. (by extension) the body (as opposed to the soul (or spirit), or as the symbol of what is external, or as the means of kindred). 4. (by implication) human nature (with its frailties (physically or morally) and passions).
5. (specially) a human being (as such). [probably from the base of G4563] KJV: carnal(-ly, + -ly minded), flesh(-ly)
Root(s): G4563

Hebrews v16 The word carnal commandment is in reference v15 that says; And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest; This is in reference to Jesus v16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

This is in reference to Jesus not having SIN. or needing commands for forgiveness because he did not sin. The Word carnal is in reference to the sinful nature.

So please tell me if you believe that v16 is referring to God's 10 Commandments as being sinful how do you explain these scriptures.....

Romans 7
12, Why THE LAW IS HOLY, AND THE COMMANDMENT HOLY, JUST AND GOOD.

and

Romand 7
7, WHAT SHALL WE SAY THEN IS THE LAW SIN? GOD FORBID. NO, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, You shall not covet.

SO nope Jackson you do not know the scriptures.

spirit is some thing that you can see. Animal sacrifice some thing you can see, inside of the people mind you never know If he is serious or not. Cain and abel do sacrifice, look like they do the same, but inside only one of them is doing honest. observed sabbath is carnal, others able to see If you close your office oN sabbath or not.

Jackson you cannot see a Spirit and God only gives his Spirit to those who OBEY HIM (Acts 5:29-32).
You need to consider that it is ONLY through FAITH in God's WORD that works by LOVE that anyone can obey and follow Jesus because we are all SINNERS without him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

This is why Jesus says; If you LOVE me keep my COMMANDMENTS (John 14:15) because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in those who through FAITH walk in HIs SPIRIT (Romans 18:8-10; 8:1-4)

What you do not understand is LOVE that Gods writes in the heart of those who believe. It is only in LOVE that we can follow him who calls us to LOVE. God's people keep his Sabbath the same way all the other 10 Commandments are kept and that is NOT through an outward observation but INWARD through LOVE.

You need to come out of Sunday school my friend and BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of GOD. SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Long Attacks and diatribes? You might want to actually read LoveGodFoever's post. No where in it did he attack you.

HAPPY SABBATH from the future LB, it is funny though. People do not want to hear about SIN and God's Word if it disagrees with what they are doing. Many do not understand that it is God's Word. If you feel moved or convicted this should be a blessing for you to help you have a closer walk with Jesus. Reject it (the Word) it will be your judge in the last days (John 12:47-48)

May God bless you as you continue in His Word.