GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[LoveGodForever]

Continued..

MMD....

hmmmm... CONTEXT

Matthew 22
36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment (entole) in the law (nomos)?”
37, Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38, This is the first and great commandment.
39, And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40, On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Jesus quoting from Deut 6:5 and Lev 19:18 of the torah

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[Studyman]

The law was given BECAUSE of transgression. The definition of sin is transgression against God.

Which happened before the law was ever in place.

Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

The Levitical Priesthood (Works of the Law) was "ADDED" because of Transgression of the Laws Abraham obeyed. Abraham had God's Laws, he just didn't have the Levitical Priesthood. The Jews were trying "bewitch" the Galatians to follow "Their Religious traditions" as they did to the Gentiles in Acts 15. Like your preaching that the Children of satan (Pharisees) were interested on obeying God's Instructions, and not their "Commandments of Men" that Jesus taught, so to is your preaching that there was no Law before Moses.

Not supported by God's Word, only ancient religious tradition.

The Bible has a lot of scriptures Grand Pa. We are told to honor them all, not just the ones which can be twisted to promote ancient religious traditions.

 

[LoveGodForever]

What exactly does it mean to keep the Sabbath day holy?
To me it means that I should solely concern myself with the Lord, and not concern myself with the other matters of the world that occupy my other six days of the week.

Great question louis and big welcome here. So nice to meet you. You are correct but as well as this no work is to be done on this day. It is a Holy day of rest appointed by God to those who through FAITH BELIEVE and FOLLOW His Word. This includes no shopping or any business transactions or secular and other work that can be done on any other day of the week.

Most use Friday (thursday evening to Friday evening God's time) as a preparation day for all shopping and chores including cooking to be done before the Sabbath starts (Friday evening to Saturday evening).

Hope this helps.

God bless you as you continue in His Word.

 

[gb9]

Well lying is not going to help you my friend the scripture presented to you earlier are all in CONTEXT something you are missing with all your application of scriptuer.

Here you go from the 2nd post showing the CONTEXT you leave out of the only scripture you quote in 1 John 3:23. You indeed do not KNOW God's WORD or the POWER thereof and teach against God's LAW and the Prophets. This is something Jesus never did and God's Word warns us about.

Continuing .....

We have just looked at how God's Word defines SIN (Breaking God's 10 Commandments) and have shown that the CONTEXT is missing from your interpretation of 1 John 3:23 which is about SIN and how those practicing it do not KNOW God (1 John 3:3-15). Now lets look at the scripture you quoted and do a word study on BELIEVE and LOVE....

1 John 3
23, And this is his commandment, that we should BELIEVE IN THE NAME OF HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, and LOVE ONE ANOTHER, even as he gave us commandment.

What does the scriptures teach about BELIEVING IN THE NAME OF JESUS and what does it mean to LOVE ONE ANOTHER?

1. BELIEVING IN THE NAME OF JESUS

Matthew 1
21, And she shall bring forth a son; and thou shalt CALL HIS NAME JESUS; for he shall SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS

His name shall be called Jesus because he will save his people from their SINS.... Therefore the scripture says JESUS = SAVIOR

Jesus is God's WORD......

John 1
1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2, The same was in the beginning with God.
3, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5, And the light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6, There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7, The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8, He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9, That was the true Light, which lights every man that cometh into the world.
10, He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11, He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12, But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13, Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14, AND THE WORD BECOME FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

1Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and abides for ever.

John 14
6, Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matthew 1
21, And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

John 3
16, For God so LOVED the world that he gave his only begotten son that WHOSOEVER BELIEVES on HIM SHOULD HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE

Matthew 4
4, But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.

John 17
17, Sanctify them through thy truth: THY WORD IS TRUTH.

Psalms 119
11, YOUR WORD have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

2 Peter 1
4, Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.John 8
31,Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32, And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33, They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how say you, Ye shall be made free?

Let's put it all together...........

We are to LIVE by EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD (Matthew 4:4);

IF we CONTINUE IN HIS WORD THEN ARE WE HIS DISCIPLES and we shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall set us FREE from SIN (John 8:31-32; 34;36).

We are made HOLY BY THE WORD and ONLY God's Word is TRUTH (Psalms 119:172); We are BORN AGAIN by FAITH in the WORD

What is all this leading to, can you guess...............................

JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD the power of creation (John 1:1-14; Genesis chapters 1-2). EVERLASTING LIFE IS GIVEN TO THOSE THAT BELIEVE EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.

THE NAME of JESUS means SAVIOR (Matthew 1:21). We are BORN AGAIN as we BELIEVE GOD"S WORD. JESUS meaning Saviour means that THE WORD OF GOD IS JESUS AND THE WORD OF GOD ARE ONE AND THE WORD IF GOD IS OUR SAVIOR AS WE BELIEVE IT! FAITH IS THE VICTORY!

To BELIEVE on the LORD JESUS MEANS TO LIVE BY FAITH IN EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD! IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD YOU DO NOT BELIEVE in JESUS because HE IS THE WORD OF GOD! JESUS IS THE WORD AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TO BELIEVE.

Next we will look at what it means to LOVE in 1 John 3:23......

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

you can save yourself from using ellen white propaganda to explain love, I know what it is . and what it is not ( Sabbath ).

how about you talk about the 28 points of being a sda? or the " angels " that visited ms. white after she fell and hit her head. would love to hear about that.

 

[phil36]

Hi Phil



I did not did not deny what I said. I denied your interpretation of what I said. You are saying things I have not said.

You are claiming that I BELIEVE people think that God's 4th Commandmend has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

I do not believe this whatsoever and that is NOT the reason I asked the question.

My intention of asking the question....

"Where in all of God's Word does it say God's 4th Commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?"

Hi loveforgod,

You just proven my point. You are question begging, and to be honest dishonestly, as I have stated many times to you now. No one is saying that Sunday is commanded to be kept as a Holy day.

SO why do you keep asking for us to provide you with scripture on something we keep telling you scripture does not say (Sunday is not commanded).

Regarding the 4th command see my earlier post.

 

[Endoscopy]

Hello Phil



It is not my opinion it is the Word of God and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

Many will come to him on that day saying Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then he will say, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work SIN.

This is why it is written...

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

and again..

1 John 3
6, Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.

Yep does not look good for many come Judgement day.



There is no false assertions this is something that only you make up to hide the fact that you are following man made traditions that break the Commandments of God.



This question is asked only to show all that there is NO scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says that God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now Commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.



Well that is not true. Where does it say that God has ABOLISHED the 4th Commandment and we can worship God on any day of the week?

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?



Yep neither does God. It is God that tells you to keep the 7th Day of the Week HOLY yet you and your fathers say NO we will keep the 1st day of the week Holy in honour of a pagan Sun god because the Roman Catholic Church says to. All through time the God's people have been keeping God's 4th Commandment as a Holy day before during the earliest Christians to this present day in honor of the true God's of creation. You chose this day as a tradition that breaks God's Commandment in honor of the Roman Catholic Church the Mother of Sunday keeping.



Jesus gave you no authority to break any of God's Commandments.



Shadows are from the book of Moses. These are fulfilled in Christ. We are living in the NEW Testament today not the OLD. The book of the Covenant points to Jesus and are fulfilled in him outlining God's plan of salvation.

The 10 Commandments on the other hand are written and made by God himself, written on stone and are Forever. They are the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS that lead us to Christ that the sinner may know who he is and the one who saves all through faith.

You teach agains the God's LAW and the prophets. This is something Jesus and the Aposltes never did. Those who do so are least in God's KINGDOM because they do not go there.

We do indeed however remember that Jesus has delivered us from world and sin (spiritually Egypt) and today we are still wondering in the wilderness (waiting for Jesus to return) to take us home to the promised land (heaven).

Those who SIN (break God's Commandments) however will not enter God's KINGDOM because they have chosen SIN over God.



What is a big hint? God's plan of salvation has not been completed. The life and death and resurrection of Jesus has interoduced the NEW Covanant. Jesus is now ministering on our behalf in the Heavenly Santuary (ongoing). We are living in the days of God's Judgement. God's 2nd coming has not happened as yet neither is there a NEW HEAVENS and and NEW EARTH. There is yet still time to REPENT of SIN and BELIEVE the Gospel. Tomorrow may be too late.



None of which is biblical and has any bases in scripture if you are breaking God's Commandments. Those who do such things are following man made teachings and the traditions that break the commandments of God.

What a bunch of drivel. Here is Paul talking about how he fights against and loses his battle against his sin nature. We all fight and lose this battle and commit sins. The law is in place till the heavens and earth pass away and all of us break the law.

Romans 7 NIV

14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

 

[3rdMesseger]

I just wanted to ask all of the people that disagree with LGF and all the other commandment keepers, What spirit do you think were doing this in?

Because before we can even continue this it has to be asked, you call us legalistic, even if what were saying was wrong from the bible, If were doing this in love, and hope that someone could be saved, trying to make sure no one has to be lost because they didn't do as God commanded, Then are we really legalistic? If this is done because from Love Then weren't legalistic.

So that's something we need to ask ourselves (Sabbath Believers), are we doing this from Love? or do we like debating people for years upon end.

 

[phil36]

I just wanted to ask all of the people that disagree with LGF and all the other commandment keepers, What spirit do you think were doing this in?

Because before we can even continue this it has to be asked, you call us legalistic, even if what were saying was wrong from the bible, If were doing this in love, and hope that someone could be saved, trying to make sure no one has to be lost because they didn't do as God commanded, Then are we really legalistic? If this is done because from Love Then weren't legalistic.

So that's something we need to ask ourselves (Sabbath Believers), are we doing this from Love? or do we like debating people for years upon end.

Hi 3rdmessenger,

The mormons do their works righteousness out of love...misguided, but none the less they see it as love.

Most on here have no problem with someone observing the Sabbath, if, it is out of conscience or if they are jewish and its family tradition etc. The problem arises when Sabbath keeping is observed from law keeping, and then telling all christians that they are sinning if not law keeping like LGF continues to do. That is legalism and not of grace.

 

[gb9]

I just wanted to ask all of the people that disagree with LGF and all the other commandment keepers, What spirit do you think were doing this in?

Because before we can even continue this it has to be asked, you call us legalistic, even if what were saying was wrong from the bible, If were doing this in love, and hope that someone could be saved, trying to make sure no one has to be lost because they didn't do as God commanded, Then are we really legalistic? If this is done because from Love Then weren't legalistic.

So that's something we need to ask ourselves (Sabbath Believers), are we doing this from Love? or do we like debating people for years upon end.

I see your point. but, beware of anyone who conjoins verses, out of context with no chronological order, to make the Bible say something that in reality, it does not say.

the Scriptures are already assembled. anyone who insists on deconstructing and reconstructing Scripture has an agenda.

and, I do rest on sunday, after church. I do no typical housework or yardwork. but, to tell people that if they do not keep the jewish fri. twilight to sat. twilight , then they are not saved is pure lies. and they should not go unchecked.

if you want to keep it, fine. go ahead. but to make it a blanket rule for believers, wrong.

 

[Endoscopy]

I see your point. but, beware of anyone who conjoins verses, out of context with no chronological order, to make the Bible say something that in reality, it does not say.

the Scriptures are already assembled. anyone who insists on deconstructing and reconstructing Scripture has an agenda.

and, I do rest on sunday, after church. I do no typical housework or yardwork. but, to tell people that if they do not keep the jewish fri. twilight to sat. twilight , then they are not saved is pure lies. and they should not go unchecked.

if you want to keep it, fine. go ahead. but to make it a blanket rule for believers, wrong.

The issue of Saturday vs Sunday hangs on the interpretation of Acts 20 verse 7. At issue is the Sabbath walking distance. Was this gathering to worship or just to meet becaube of the Sabbath walking restrictions.

Acts 20 NIV

7 On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight. 8 There were many lamps in the upstairs room where we were meeting. 9 Seated in a window was a young man named Eutychus, who was sinking into a deep sleep as Paul talked on and on. When he was sound asleep, he fell to the ground from the third story and was picked up dead. 10 Paul went down, threw himself on the young man and put his arms around him. “Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “He’s alive!” 11 Then he went upstairs again and broke bread and ate. After talking until daylight, he left. 12 The people took the young man home alive and were greatly comforted.

 

[Studyman]

Hi 3rdmessenger,

The mormons do their works righteousness out of love...misguided, but none the less they see it as love.

Most on here have no problem with someone observing the Sabbath, if, it is out of conscience or if they are jewish and its family tradition etc. The problem arises when Sabbath keeping is observed from law keeping, and then telling all christians that they are sinning if not law keeping like LGF continues to do. That is legalism and not of grace.

What is at issue is the distorting of God's Word. The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time had distorted God's Word into something it wasn't. They "taught for doctrines the commandments of men". It's not about making someone cut flesh off their private parts, or refusing to observe this day or another with me. It's about exposing doctrines which do not come from the Bible.

Some examples are;

The Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by keeping God's Laws.

This is an insidious lie that is furthered in Mainstream Christianity and in this forum. Jesus called these Mainstream Preachers of His time "Children of satan". satan is not interested in keeping God's Commands or teaching others to keep God's commands. To preach otherwise is ignorant in the least, deceptive at most. Eve and the serpent is a perfect example of a force using some of God's Word to turn people away from trusting God enough to do as He says.

This lie leads to another lie prevalent in todays mainstream preaching, that God's Instructions are burdensome. Jesus says the Pharisees created burdensome laws, not God.

Matt. 23:4 For they (The Pharisees, not God or His Word) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

But you preach it is God who placed the "yoke" on men's shoulders. Another falsehood.

I could go on and on.

These lies are what I hope to address in my posts. Jesus said the "Truth will set us free". Free from what? God's Word?, or the deception of religious man?

LGF posts scriptural evidence that your religion is founded on the words and works of man, not God. If this were Jesus time, you would just stone him to death to silence him. Today you just hate and work to discredit.

It's all the same spiritually though. Nothing new under the sun.

 

[PS]

I see your point. but, beware of anyone who conjoins verses, out of context with no chronological order, to make the Bible say something that in reality, it does not say.

the Scriptures are already assembled. anyone who insists on deconstructing and reconstructing Scripture has an agenda.

and, I do rest on sunday, after church. I do no typical housework or yardwork. but, to tell people that if they do not keep the jewish fri. twilight to sat. twilight , then they are not saved is pure lies. and they should not go unchecked.

if you want to keep it, fine. go ahead. but to make it a blanket rule for believers, wrong.

Religion, which is what these people have got, is what they do to please their god, that goes for the Pharisees as well, Christianity is about what God has done for us.

 

[louis]

Great question louis and big welcome here. So nice to meet you. You are correct but as well as this no work is to be done on this day. It is a Holy day of rest appointed by God to those who through FAITH BELIEVE and FOLLOW His Word. This includes no shopping or any business transactions or secular and other work that can be done on any other day of the week.

Most use Friday (thursday evening to Friday evening God's time) as a preparation day for all shopping and chores including cooking to be done before the Sabbath starts (Friday evening to Saturday evening).

Hope this helps.

God bless you as you continue in His Word.

Glad to meet you too, LoveGodForever.
I agree with what you say about not conducting any sort of business, with ones sole attention toward the Lord.
As such, I also believe that anyone meeting these conditions on any day of the week, would then make the day of the week they do so, that individuals equivalent Sabbath.

 

[PS]

What is at issue is the distorting of God's Word. The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time had distorted God's Word into something it wasn't. They "taught for doctrines the commandments of men". It's not about making someone cut flesh off their private parts, or refusing to observe this day or another with me. It's about exposing doctrines which do not come from the Bible.

Some examples are;

The Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by keeping God's Laws.

This is an insidious lie that is furthered in Mainstream Christianity and in this forum. Jesus called these Mainstream Preachers of His time "Children of satan". satan is not interested in keeping God's Commands or teaching others to keep God's commands. To preach otherwise is ignorant in the least, deceptive at most. Eve and the serpent is a perfect example of a force using some of God's Word to turn people away from trusting God enough to do as He says.

This lie leads to another lie prevalent in todays mainstream preaching, that God's Instructions are burdensome. Jesus says the Pharisees created burdensome laws, not God.

Matt. 23:4 For they (The Pharisees, not God or His Word) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

But you preach it is God who placed the "yoke" on men's shoulders. Another falsehood.

I could go on and on.

These lies are what I hope to address in my posts. Jesus said the "Truth will set us free". Free from what? God's Word?, or the deception of religious man?

LGF posts scriptural evidence that your religion is founded on the words and works of man, not God. If this were Jesus time, you would just stone him to death to silence him. Today you just hate and work to discredit.

It's all the same spiritually though. Nothing new under the sun.

What we have today is modern day Pharisees. They need condemning the same as Jesus condemned them 2000 years ago, when he said to them in John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

 

[Endoscopy]

What is at issue is the distorting of God's Word. The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time had distorted God's Word into something it wasn't. They "taught for doctrines the commandments of men". It's not about making someone cut flesh off their private parts, or refusing to observe this day or another with me. It's about exposing doctrines which do not come from the Bible.

Some examples are;

The Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by keeping God's Laws.

This is an insidious lie that is furthered in Mainstream Christianity and in this forum. Jesus called these Mainstream Preachers of His time "Children of satan". satan is not interested in keeping God's Commands or teaching others to keep God's commands. To preach otherwise is ignorant in the least, deceptive at most. Eve and the serpent is a perfect example of a force using some of God's Word to turn people away from trusting God enough to do as He says.

This lie leads to another lie prevalent in todays mainstream preaching, that God's Instructions are burdensome. Jesus says the Pharisees created burdensome laws, not God.

Matt. 23:4 For they (The Pharisees, not God or His Word) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

But you preach it is God who placed the "yoke" on men's shoulders. Another falsehood.

I could go on and on.

These lies are what I hope to address in my posts. Jesus said the "Truth will set us free". Free from what? God's Word?, or the deception of religious man?

LGF posts scriptural evidence that your religion is founded on the words and works of man, not God. If this were Jesus time, you would just stone him to death to silence him. Today you just hate and work to discredit.

It's all the same spiritually though. Nothing new under the sun.

You ignore that Jews in the time of Jesus including the Pharisees made a yearly sacrifice to God for their sins. Thus they acknowledged that they were not keeping the law perfectly. Jesus sacrifice made that yearly sacrifice be not needed. After 70 AD the temple was destroyed and no more sacrifices could be made.

 

[phil36]

What is at issue is the distorting of God's Word. The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time had distorted God's Word into something it wasn't. They "taught for doctrines the commandments of men". It's not about making someone cut flesh off their private parts, or refusing to observe this day or another with me. It's about exposing doctrines which do not come from the Bible.

[-----]
LGF posts scriptural evidence that your religion is founded on the words and works of man, not God. If this were Jesus time, you would just stone him to death to silence him. Today you just hate and work to discredit.

It's all the same spiritually though. Nothing new under the sun.

Hi Studyman,

Anyone can string texts of scripture together and make it say what they want. Every cult does this, and this is exactly what LGF does - he strings texts together and adds SDA spin to the text and with a slight of hand and a 'hey presto' we have legalism.

 

[PS]

You ignore that Jews in the time of Jesus including the Pharisees made a yearly sacrifice to God for their sins. Thus they acknowledged that they were not keeping the law perfectly. Jesus sacrifice made that yearly sacrifice be not needed. After 70 AD the temple was destroyed and no more sacrifices could be made.

True, but all they see is Jesus as a perfect scapegoat and nothing more.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Originally Posted by LoveGodForever

Well lying is not going to help you my friend the scripture presented to you earlier are all in CONTEXT something you are missing with all your application of scriptuer.

Here you go from the 2nd post showing the CONTEXT you leave out of the only scripture you quote in 1 John 3:23. You indeed do not KNOW God's WORD or the POWER thereof and teach against God's LAW and the Prophets. This is something Jesus never did and God's Word warns us about.

Continuing .....

We have just looked at how God's Word defines SIN (Breaking God's 10 Commandments) and have shown that the CONTEXT is missing from your interpretation of 1 John 3:23 which is about SIN and how those practicing it do not KNOW God (1 John 3:3-15). Now lets look at the scripture you quoted and do a word study on BELIEVE and LOVE....

1 John 3
23, And this is his commandment, that we should BELIEVE IN THE NAME OF HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, and LOVE ONE ANOTHER, even as he gave us commandment.

What does the scriptures teach about BELIEVING IN THE NAME OF JESUS and what does it mean to LOVE ONE ANOTHER?

1. BELIEVING IN THE NAME OF JESUS

Matthew 1
21, And she shall bring forth a son; and thou shalt CALL HIS NAME JESUS; for he shall SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS

His name shall be called Jesus because he will save his people from their SINS.... Therefore the scripture says JESUS = SAVIOR

Jesus is God's WORD......

John 1
1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2, The same was in the beginning with God.
3, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5, And the light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6, There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7, The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8, He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9, That was the true Light, which lights every man that cometh into the world.
10, He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11, He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12, But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13, Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14, AND THE WORD BECOME FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

1Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and abides for ever.

John 14
6, Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matthew 1
21, And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

John 3
16, For God so LOVED the world that he gave his only begotten son that WHOSOEVER BELIEVES on HIM SHOULD HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE

Matthew 4
4, But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.

John 17
17, Sanctify them through thy truth: THY WORD IS TRUTH.

Psalms 119
11, YOUR WORD have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

2 Peter 1
4, Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.John 8
31,Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32, And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33, They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how say you, Ye shall be made free?

Let's put it all together...........

We are to LIVE by EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD (Matthew 4:4);

IF we CONTINUE IN HIS WORD THEN ARE WE HIS DISCIPLES and we shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall set us FREE from SIN (John 8:31-32; 34;36).

We are made HOLY BY THE WORD and ONLY God's Word is TRUTH (Psalms 119:172); We are BORN AGAIN by FAITH in the WORD

What is all this leading to, can you guess...............................

JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD the power of creation (John 1:1-14; Genesis chapters 1-2). EVERLASTING LIFE IS GIVEN TO THOSE THAT BELIEVE EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.

THE NAME of JESUS means SAVIOR (Matthew 1:21). We are BORN AGAIN as we BELIEVE GOD"S WORD. JESUS meaning Saviour means that THE WORD OF GOD IS JESUS AND THE WORD OF GOD ARE ONE AND THE WORD IF GOD IS OUR SAVIOR AS WE BELIEVE IT! FAITH IS THE VICTORY!

To BELIEVE on the LORD JESUS MEANS TO LIVE BY FAITH IN EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD! IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD YOU DO NOT BELIEVE in JESUS because HE IS THE WORD OF GOD! JESUS IS THE WORD AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TO BELIEVE.

Next we will look at what it means to LOVE in 1 John 3:23......

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

you can save yourself from using ellen white propaganda to explain love, I know what it is . and what it is not ( Sabbath ).

how about you talk about the 28 points of being a sda? or the " angels " that visited ms. white after she fell and hit her head. would love to hear about that.

I see, so this is your response to the previous post that shows you were using scripture out of CONTEXT in 1 John 3:23?

How does your post here address the one you are responding to when the post sent you is God's Word? Amazing what what people come up with when there is no where else to hide.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hi loveforgod,

You just proven my point. You are question begging, and to be honest dishonestly, as I have stated many times to you now. No one is saying that Sunday is commanded to be kept as a Holy day.

SO why do you keep asking for us to provide you with scripture on something we keep telling you scripture does not say (Sunday is not commanded).

Regarding the 4th command see my earlier post.

My posts to you do not prove your point.

They only prove you are trying to twist what I say to say something I am not saying just like you do the scriptures.

Your fruit is now showing. This has already been answered here in post # 4525 andpost # 4521 (linked) which you left out of your quote above and continue to say something my posts are not saying after you were corrected. This is only bearing false witness on your behalf now and something that is now between you and God.

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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hi 3rdmessenger,
The mormons do their works righteousness out of love...misguided, but none the less they see it as love.
Most on here have no problem with someone observing the Sabbath, if, it is out of conscience or if they are jewish and its family tradition etc. The problem arises when Sabbath keeping is observed from law keeping, and then telling all christians that they are sinning if not law keeping like LGF continues to do. That is legalism and not of grace.

This has no basis in truth whatsoever. How do you know who follows God out of LOVE and not LOVE when only God knows the HEART? (Acts 15:8)

How has anything I have said here in this thread or elsewhere said that we are saved from lawkeeping?

Please show me one instance I have said to you or anyone else that we are saved by the works of the law. If you cannot you are once again bearing false witness and lying. This is sad for you my friend. You bear false witness because you do NOT know God's Word and as Jesus says;

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Once again like I have always said so many times already. We are ONLY saved by GRACE through FAITH and NOT OF OURSELVES it is a GIFT OF GOD and NOT of WORKS lest anyman should boast.

However, if your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear SON. (James 2:18; 20; 26)

If your tree has no FRUIT it will be cast down and thrown into the FIRE come judgement day (Matthew 7:12-23). Now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth NOT forth good fruit is CUT down, and cast into the fire (Matthew 3:10).

If you are still in your SINS when Jesus gives you a KNOWLEDGE of the truth then you do not KNOW him who calls you in LOVE to LOVE another as he first LOVED you because you have REJECTED God's Word he will reject you. UNBELIEVERS have NO part in God's KINGDOM.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.