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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 14:23-24, “[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”[/FONT]
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Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee
ohhhh youre claiming someone who is born again can lose salvation
thats not true
but if youre talking about someone who retains God in their knowledge falling away
ya that happens
a few pages ago this was proven (with scripture)
not conflated opinions
thats not true
but if youre talking about someone who retains God in their knowledge falling away
ya that happens
a few pages ago this was proven (with scripture)
not conflated opinions
"my son" not that spell check "means y son"
Over and over,the natural family is compared to the heavenly.
If my son sins we deal with it even though we both know forgiveness is present.
You are saying he stops being My son.
Kinda silly you would think that
^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Amen...his righteousness imputed by faith, our sins past, present and future nailed to the cross and sanctified/sealed in Christ eternally......The Holy Spirit convicts the world of Sin because they DO NOT BELIEVE ON CHRIST....there is no condemnation leveled at those who are IN Christ by faith....it would do many good to study the Greek word translated "in" as applied to Christ!
1 Peter 2:13-16 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
Here is are some of the ordinance of man people, including you, who BREAK the Law, WHICH IS SIN:
For those who think they do not SIN, may I suggest that they reconsider that YOU DO NOT SIN.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
Here is are some of the ordinance of man people, including you, who BREAK the Law, WHICH IS SIN:
For those who think they do not SIN, may I suggest that they reconsider that YOU DO NOT SIN.
Does no mean the loss of salvation, but rather unusable as a viable witness, testimony and or servant.....same as castaway <--applied by Paul unto himself....as in unusable......many believers who are saved are in this state....works of wood, hay and stubble, yet carnal, failing in the sanctification of their daily life yet saved!
Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Consider him who endured such opposition from sinful men, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.
In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.
And you have forgotten that word of encouragement that addresses you as sons: "My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
because the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son."
Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?
Hebrews 12:2-7
Hebrews is talking about enduring, not losing heart.
But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit.
Keep yourselves in God's love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
Be merciful to those who doubt;
Jude 1:20-22
Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize.
1 Corinthians 9:24
Effort is required. Stand still and you go backwards.
Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.
"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.
If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned."
John 15:4-6
Remain in Jesus, life, not remain, death.
Discipleship is about carrying the cross, struggle, desire, hope, light, love
transformation. Jesus came with a purpose,
I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture.
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full
John 10:9-10
Consider him who endured such opposition from sinful men, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.
In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.
And you have forgotten that word of encouragement that addresses you as sons: "My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
because the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son."
Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?
Hebrews 12:2-7
Hebrews is talking about enduring, not losing heart.
But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit.
Keep yourselves in God's love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
Be merciful to those who doubt;
Jude 1:20-22
Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize.
1 Corinthians 9:24
Effort is required. Stand still and you go backwards.
Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.
"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.
If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned."
John 15:4-6
Remain in Jesus, life, not remain, death.
Discipleship is about carrying the cross, struggle, desire, hope, light, love
transformation. Jesus came with a purpose,
I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture.
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full
John 10:9-10
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1 Peter 2:13-16 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
Here is are some of the ordinance of man people, including you, who BREAK the Law, WHICH IS SIN:
For those who think they do not SIN, may I suggest that they reconsider that YOU DO NOT SIN.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
Here is are some of the ordinance of man people, including you, who BREAK the Law, WHICH IS SIN:
For those who think they do not SIN, may I suggest that they reconsider that YOU DO NOT SIN.
By correcting them,you are preaching a works salvation.
That is how ridiculous all of you sound when you think walking in Holiness is salvation oriented and somehow blasphemes the free gift of salvation.
I really think there is some spirit operating in this thread that thinks salvation equals a behavior paranoia.
If I put on the shield of faith am I WOF and works oriented also?????
This thread is BIZZZZZZARRRRR.