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heartofdavid said:
The word itself is simply go the other way.

However the trangression is of course forgiven. That we seem to both agree.

It is,however his favor that is what I am addressing. His fellowship,and the fact we break his heart,but beyond that it should break OUR HEART.
That is why we repent. Not out of command or even seeing it as a salvation issue.

That is the biggest misunderstanding I see,is that it appears we do not even know his favor departed.
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I'm sure most here would say, and I hope they say.
When we get it wrong it does break out heart.
But I also add they if we get it wrong then there is no fear to come before God and confess it.
 
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Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee
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ohhhh youre claiming someone who is born again can lose salvation


thats not true

but if youre talking about someone who retains God in their knowledge falling away

ya that happens

a few pages ago this was proven (with scripture)

not conflated opinions;)
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heartofdavid said:
See that.

You made that up.

Over and over,the natural family is compared to the heavenly.

If my son sins we deal with it even though we both know forgiveness is present.

You are saying he stops being means y son.
Kinda silly you would think that.
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"my son" not that spell check "means y son"


Over and over,the natural family is compared to the heavenly.

If my son sins we deal with it even though we both know forgiveness is present.

You are saying he stops being My son.
Kinda silly you would think that

^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
heartofdavid said:






"my son" not that spell check "means y son"


Over and over,the natural family is compared to the heavenly.

If my son sins we deal with it even though we both know forgiveness is present.

You are saying he stops being My son.
Kinda silly you would think that

^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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nope

im saying your son is always your son

and if he acts out of line

you put him in check
 
BillG said:
I'm sure most here would say, and I hope they say.
When we get it wrong it does break out heart.
But I also add they if we get it wrong then there is no fear to come before God and confess it.
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Yes.

It is person between us and God. We love him enough to desire his favor,his touch,and his smile upon our walk and life.

We have nothing more precious than or walk and intimacy with him.
 
heartofdavid said:
Ok,so what are we repenting of,and what that do to us or for us if we don't repent
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You either repented or you have not. If you have, You had faith and are saved, if you have riot. Your still dead in your sin, because you have failed to trust in God.
 
Budman said:
What sin? Either all our sins have been forgiven, or they're not. If not, Jesus needs to come back and shed His blood again to get any remaining sins forgiven. For without the shedding of blood, there is no remission.

For believers, the sin issue is over. It was settled over 2,000 years ago.

We are as holy, righteous, and sinless as Jesus is, because we have His nature imputed to our account. And that nature, is what God judges us on.
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Amen...his righteousness imputed by faith, our sins past, present and future nailed to the cross and sanctified/sealed in Christ eternally......The Holy Spirit convicts the world of Sin because they DO NOT BELIEVE ON CHRIST....there is no condemnation leveled at those who are IN Christ by faith....it would do many good to study the Greek word translated "in" as applied to Christ!
 
heartofdavid said:
Non you don't go out,sin 50 times a day in habitual unconfessed wilful sin,and say " oh well,nobody's perfect,but hey,its all under the blood"

Now,will that carnal beliver be saved if he dies? Well it becomes a crap game. Hopefully yes,but maybe Jesus is tired of being doo dooed on.

All sin is to be confessed,REPENTED OF AND RENOUNCED,humbly and sorrowfully dealt with,and then,should it happen again,it should break our hearts.

The day of pentecost came for power. Power ti walk in Holiness and power to do what Jesus did
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1 Peter 2:13-16 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.


Here is are some of the ordinance of man people, including you, who BREAK the Law, WHICH IS SIN:

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For those who think they do not SIN, may I suggest that they reconsider that YOU DO NOT SIN.
 
NoNameMcgee said:
i see your attempt to discredit truth with a passive aggressive remark


does it make you feel better?
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All workers for and law keepers (not) must come up with these fantasy land scenarios to try and discredit the outbounding grace of God in a believer's life (one who believes in eternal salvation dia grace through faith that is)
 
heartofdavid said:
Shipwrecked means those that once knew the Lord and departed.
Its a NT term
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Does no mean the loss of salvation, but rather unusable as a viable witness, testimony and or servant.....same as castaway <--applied by Paul unto himself....as in unusable......many believers who are saved are in this state....works of wood, hay and stubble, yet carnal, failing in the sanctification of their daily life yet saved!
 
Why are people making it so hard.

KISS

1. We accept Jesus as our savior.
2. The Holy Spirit eorks on our heart.
3. As a response we try to do good. (works)
 
Endoscopy said:
Why are people making it so hard.

KISS

1. We accept Jesus as our savior.
2. The Holy Spirit eorks on our heart.
3. As a response we try to do good. (works)
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It is the MUST HAVE IN ORDER TO BE SAVED that is twisting up the simple fact that initial faith into the work of Christ is exactly that and nothing more <<-this is what saves.....not works and works do not embellish it or top it off!
 
BillG said:
I'm not paranoid.
I do not feel I came across as accusing you. I just asked you questions.

Trust me I have no personal endeavour to make it personal.

My endeavour is to get to know you and discuss.
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Yeah it's so strange Bill you even talk politely and calmly with some biblical trolls yet somehow,they end up saying you are accusing or worse,makes no sense to me.
 
BillG said:
Struggling with the flesh.
That's why we need to renew our minds and put in the armour of God..

What happens if we give up you ask.
What is to give up and why?
What do you think?
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Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Consider him who endured such opposition from sinful men, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.
In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.
And you have forgotten that word of encouragement that addresses you as sons: "My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
because the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son."
Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?
Hebrews 12:2-7

Hebrews is talking about enduring, not losing heart.

But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit.
Keep yourselves in God's love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
Be merciful to those who doubt;
Jude 1:20-22

Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize.
1 Corinthians 9:24

Effort is required. Stand still and you go backwards.

Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.
"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.
If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned."
John 15:4-6

Remain in Jesus, life, not remain, death.
Discipleship is about carrying the cross, struggle, desire, hope, light, love
transformation. Jesus came with a purpose,

I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture.
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full
John 10:9-10
 
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VCO said:
1 Peter 2:13-16 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.


Here is are some of the ordinance of man people, including you, who BREAK the Law, WHICH IS SIN:

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For those who think they do not SIN, may I suggest that they reconsider that YOU DO NOT SIN.
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So,basically if a member of your church is born again,they can go in there and spit on the floor.
By correcting them,you are preaching a works salvation.

That is how ridiculous all of you sound when you think walking in Holiness is salvation oriented and somehow blasphemes the free gift of salvation.

I really think there is some spirit operating in this thread that thinks salvation equals a behavior paranoia.

If I put on the shield of faith am I WOF and works oriented also?????

This thread is BIZZZZZZARRRRR.
 
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