The Rapture

[heartofdavid]

Are you aware of the Jewish marriage proposal custom with the wine?

Yes,and the last supper is a vivid depiction

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

If you read Ruth,Naomi does in fact "tag. Along"


Maybe "follow" ?

Ok I see what you mean. But don't forget Naomi was the blood relative. Ruth, the Moabite was only "married in"
So let's not get too haughty.

 

[heartofdavid]

Yes, none of this is new to me. I am aware of the established prophetic theme.

I can agree with most of it, though I wouldn't refer to the Jews as 'tagging along'

The Jews come in last.
The bride is mainly gentile.
( you saved the best for last)

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Yes,and the last supper is a vivid depiction

But I mean the custom was for the groom to make the proposal with a cup of wine. The bride accepted the proposal by drinking from the cup he offered her. He did not drink again until their wedding day when they shared wine together again.

Which is exactly what Jesus told the disciples remember? I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until.......

They would have understood from their customs what he was REALLY saying.

 

[heartofdavid]

Ok I see what you mean. But don't forget Naomi was the blood relative. Ruth, the Moabite was only "married in"
So let's not get too haughty.

Matter of fact.
The bride is mainly Gentile.
We are grafted in.
Our roots are Jewish.
In a sense they are first.

A law of heaven is just that. Nothing haughty,just a fact

 

[heartofdavid]

But I mean the custom was for the groom to make the proposal with a cup of wine. The bride accepted the proposal by drinking from the cup he offered her. He did not drink again until their wedding day when they shared wine together again.

Which is exactly what Jesus told the disciples remember? I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until.......

They would have understood from their customs what he was REALLY saying.

Yep.
The last supper was the betrothal

 

[Endoscopy]

I want an apology immediately. How dare you! You don't know me.
I have never even once believed in a date. Or gathered for a rapture event.
I stated as much a couple of days ago that we cannot know a specific date.

What you are saying is that YOU believe 4 particular theories and you judge anyone who does not.
The four theories are not in agreement with one another. How can you claim they are ALL true?
You are peddling confusion.

Sorry Charlie but go fly a kite. You seem to be deliberately misunderstanding my post. I was making my point about all of the people that have followed the concept you are choosing to go down. Rejecting the 4 Biblical versions of eschatology. They are the work of centuries of theologians trying to get a single view. Every time someone has stated they have found by study the true view they have been proven wrong. So I state that those who now follow that path are in error. Been down that path too many times.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Her name is not "Charlie". It's Lucy...

And only GOD knows when the time is that Jesus will return...

Sorry Charlie but go fly a kite. You seem to be deliberately misunderstanding my post. I was making my point about all of the people that have followed the concept you are choosing to go down. Rejecting the 4 Biblical versions of eschatology. They are the work of centuries of theologians trying to get a single view. Every time someone has stated they have found by study the true view they have been proven wrong. So I state that those who now follow that path are in error. Been down that path too many times.

 

[Endoscopy]

Her name is not "Charlie". It's Lucy...

And only GOD knows when the time is that Jesus will return...

You obviously don't remember the Sunkist Tuna commercials with Charlie the Tuna not being accepted as a Sunkist tuna. He was told "Sorry Charlie" in every one. I used that to make a humorous statement.

I never made a statement about a date when Jesus will return.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Matter of fact.
The bride is mainly Gentile.
We are grafted in.
Our roots are Jewish.
In a sense they are first.

A law of heaven is just that. Nothing haughty,just a fact

No harm done. I wasn't trying to admonish you personally.

I was just saying "let us not get too haughty" in our status as The Bride.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Sorry Charlie but go fly a kite. You seem to be deliberately misunderstanding my post.

No I am not. You posted this to me.

Every time someone says they know what it all means they have been WRONG. What they published failed miserably. Whole congregations gathered together for the rapture on a specific day. You are just one more of these.

This is unfair, I never claimed to know what everything in Revelation means. I only know some things. I was here asking questions and interested in further study.

And I have never "gathered together for the rapture on a specific day." you have accused me unfairly and with no knowledge of my thoughts concerning the rapture. You are not contributing to study. You just keep banging on about 4 views and stifling all other dialogue.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

There is a thread on the bride by VCO.

I posted in it under "popeye".
It was the reason i joined cc

Can you find a link at all? I did a search for 'Bride' but came up with nothing.

 

[Endoscopy]

No I am not. You posted this to me.



This is unfair, I never claimed to know what everything in Revelation means. I only know some things. I was here asking questions and interested in further study.

And I have never "gathered together for the rapture on a specific day." you have accused me unfairly and with no knowledge of my thoughts concerning the rapture. You are not contributing to study. You just keep banging on about 4 views and stifling all other dialogue.

You were making some assertions about end times. I was pointing out what I have seen over the years of others making assertions about it. Questions are fine all of us have those. Assertions about eschatology are difficult to make with all of the symbolism involved.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

The church in the GT is destroyed by the AC.

It clearly,clearly,clearly says he destroys ALL refusing the mark.
It even says " every man ,woman,child,free and bond "
There are DEFINATELY no christians making it through the GT.

Where does it say that? As I recall it says that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark.
Not that he utterly destroys them all.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

You were making some assertions about end times. I was pointing out what I have seen over the years of others making assertions about it. Questions are fine all of us have those. Assertions about eschatology are difficult to make with all of the symbolism involved.

I don't like being talked down to as if I'm stupid.
It apparently hasn't occurred to you that we could learn from EACH OTHER.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The church in the GT is destroyed by the AC.

It clearly,clearly,clearly says he destroys ALL refusing the mark.
It even says " every man ,woman,child,free and bond "
There are DEFINATELY no christians making it through the GT.

Hello Heartofdavid,

First of all, there is no church during the time of God's wrath, as the church will have already been caught up prior to God's wrath. Those that you are speaking of are the saints who come out of the GT, which are Gentiles .

I know we have gone over this before, but you are reading into the verse . It states that "so that the image would also speak and cause all who refused to worship it to be killed." Death is the consequence, but it doesn't mean that the beasts government gets all of those who do resist him. This obvious in the fact that, by your claim there would be no Gentiles to enter into the millennial period. It would only be Israel and all Gentile nations would be destroyed. However, we know this not to be true from the following scripture which takes place after the Lord returns to the earth:

"He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore."

Now we know that the event above has not yet taken place and therefore must still be future. And the only other place it can happen is during the millennial period. As you can see, it states that "nation will not take up sword against nation," which would be inferring peoples other than Israel. The point is that, there will indeed be Gentiles who enter into the millennial period. According to your claim, there would be no Gentiles to enter into the millennial period if everyone of them is killed by the AC. It's just scripturally logical.

If you don't agree, please tell me where those other nations come from mentioned in the verse above.

 

[Roadkill]

Greetings Roadkill,



First of all, you are correct in that the Second Coming and gathering of the church as being two separate events. But regarding what you said "Jesus' second coming will come in the twinkling of an eye. The Rapture is not so," this is false. In this case you have the two events backwards, for there is a multitude of signs leading up to Christ's second coming, namely the antichrist establishing that seven year covenant which initiates the seven years, the setting up of the abomination which marks the middle of the seven years, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which are the wrath of God and which will be taking place during that seven year period, with Christ returning shortly after the 7th bowl has been poured out. So No! The second coming of Christ will not be like a thief in the night. It is the gathering of the church that will be like a thief in the night, for that event has no signs and can take place at any moment.

Also, you have the gathering of the church taking place over a 3 day period, when there is absolutely zero scripture to support this. In fact, the resurrection of the dead and the changing of the living will take place in close proximity to each other. The only reason that the living are changed, is because they will still be alive when the Lord comes to gather the church. For example, scripture states that when the dead resurrect they will be caught up in the air, then immediately after that we who are still alive and remain will be changed and caught up with them. According to you, those who will have been resurrected will be gathered and waiting in the air for three days for the living believers. The whole event of the dead rising and the living being changed and caught up will take place in a Nano second. The people of the earth will realize something has happened because of the great number of people missing.



Where in the world did you get the above information from? It surely doesn't come from the word of God.



Where is it stated in scripture that it is only those who are 25 years and younger who will be transfigured? Don't bother, because there is no such scripture! What about those who are 26 and older who are in Christ and are still alive at that time and who will have also been looking the blessed hope? I submit to you that every person in Christ who is alive at the time of the resurrection, regardless of age, will be changed and caught up.



Scripture would disagree with you regarding your claim that no children will be conceived during the tribulation period and that because the following scripture is regarding Israel's fleeing into the desert as a result of the abomination being set up, which initiates the great tribulation and demonstrating that there will be women who are pregnant and those who are nursing children.

"How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be shortened



There is no way to know when Jesus will return to the earth to gather His church. You are correct in that the events of Rev.12 with the Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven and the woman fleeing out into that place prepared for her by God. But the only way to know when the middle of the seven years is, is to know when that seven years begins. And the only way to know that, is when that antichrist is revealed and establishes that seven year agreement with Israel. Otherwise, there is no way to know when the middle of the seven years will take place, until the seven years is initiated.

Most everything that you have claimed above is pure conjecture, because there is no scripture for it and neither did you provide any to back up your claim.

First, you didn't ask me.

Second, Told everyone this is something new not in the Bible. A revelation for the end time generations. How can I give you Bible verses backing me up when this is something new?

Third, This speaks of the end of the Church age. Not the final Resurrection.

Fourth, This was told to me verbally by a Cherub angel that was challenged by me with 1st John chapter 4 verses 1-3. If you want to argue specifics with a 14 foot tall Cheribum angel, who has verified he is of God the Father, knock yourself out!

Fifth, This is a matter of Faith. How you receive it is your problem, not mine.

Now for the finally,

The sign given in Revelation chapter 12 is a planetary occultation that occurs on November 22, 2065. This marks the beginning of the last 3 and 1\2 years of the Tribulation Period. This sign will appear over Jerusalem at 12 noon their time.

The Rapture will occur in a 60 day window before this date, between October 22 and November 22 of 2065. Jesus gave us a hint that the next Siege of Jerusalem will happen in Winter.

Now for your verification here is something to let you know this if from God the Father.
In May of 2018 the ground for the new Temple on the Mount will be broken. It will take 40 years for this temple to be completed. When the last stone is place then will begin the last 7 year countdown of Daniel's 70 weeks concerning Israel before Jesus' Return to this Earth to set up his Millennium Kingdom on Earth.


No man Knows the day or hour of Jesus' Return. This concerns the Rapture, which again I can not give you the exact day or hour. It does concern the sign of Revelation 12, you are given the exact day and hour.

This is all I am going to reply on this. Will not get in a pissing match with any Legalists. This is not my conjecture but verbally given to me from a Cheribum Angel. Do with it what you will.

Peace to you All.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

The church in the GT is destroyed by the AC.

It clearly,clearly,clearly says he destroys ALL refusing the mark.
It even says " every man ,woman,child,free and bond "
There are DEFINATELY no christians making it through the GT.

Where does it say that? As I recall it says that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark.
Not that he utterly destroys them all.

OK I see, Rev 13:15 (the sea beast)

"The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed."

But this is not God's judgement wrath.

 

[abcdef]

Sorry Charlie but go fly a kite. You seem to be deliberately misunderstanding my post. I was making my point about all of the people that have followed the concept you are choosing to go down. Rejecting the 4 Biblical versions of eschatology. They are the work of centuries of theologians trying to get a single view. Every time someone has stated they have found by study the true view they have been proven wrong. So I state that those who now follow that path are in error. Been down that path too many times.

Which one of those 4 views teaches this,

The seven times, show the same time period, as the statue of Daniel 2.

 

[Ahwatukee]

First, you didn't ask me.

Second, Told everyone this is something new not in the Bible. A revelation for the end time generations. How can I give you Bible verses backing me up when this is something new?

If it is not scripture, then how can you claim it? There is no way for anyone to know whether it is true or not because it is not supported by the word of God and is therefore not valid.

Fourth, This was told to me verbally by a Cherub angel that was challenged by me with 1st John chapter 4 verses 1-3. If you want to argue specifics with a 14 foot tall Cheribum angel, who has verified he is of God the Father, knock yourself out!

Was the angels name Maroni? If that were even true, an angel would not contradict God's word. If you see him again, you might want to ask to reveal his true identity in the name of the Lord.

"And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness."

The point is that fallen angels can masquerade as holy angels. You might want to call him out on that next time he shows up.

The sign given in Revelation chapter 12 is a planetary occultation that occurs on November 22, 2065. This marks the beginning of the last 3 and 1\2 years of the Tribulation Period. This sign will appear over Jerusalem at 12 noon their time.

The reference to the sun, moon and stars are symbolic and are therefore not in reference to the literal sun, moon and stars. This sign was to John not the reader. We already know from Genesis 37:9-10, that the sun, moon and stars represent Jacob, his wife/wives and his sons. It is not pointing to some cosmic event that will take place in the heavens.

In May of 2018 the ground for the new Temple on the Mount will be broken. It will take 40 years for this temple to be completed. When the last stone is place then will begin the last 7 year countdown of Daniel's 70 weeks concerning Israel before Jesus' Return to this Earth to set up his Millennium Kingdom on Earth.

You realize that when this May comes around and this doesn't happen, and it won't, that this will make you a false prophet?

The blue prints for the temple are already in place. And all of the temple furniture has already been prepared. The Sanhedrin has already been reconvened and they have been teaching their priests to sacrifice according to the law. The appearing of the antichrist and his covenant with Israel will allow them to build their temple, which will be erected very quickly, where they will begin to make sacrifices and offerings during that first 3 1/2 years. It is the establishment of that seven years by the antichrist that initiates the seven years, not the last stone of the temple being laid.

Remember, when something is said by God, it must come to pass, because God cannot lie. Therefore, when this May rolls around and there is no ground breaking for the new temple, at that time you will become a false prophet.