The Rapture

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But I mean the custom was for the groom to make the proposal with a cup of wine. The bride accepted the proposal by drinking from the cup he offered her. He did not drink again until their wedding day when they shared wine together again.

Which is exactly what Jesus told the disciples remember? I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until.......

They would have understood from their customs what he was REALLY saying.

Lucy,

I drink.....His Fathers kingdom.

But we don't become the Fathers kingdom, until death is destroyed and Jesus delivers the kingdom up to God 1 Cor 15:23-28.

That is when we drink it new.

There is nothing but eternity after the kingdom is delivered up to God.

No more resurrections, death is destroyed.

 

[Ahwatukee]

OK I see, Rev 13:15 (the sea beast)

"The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed."

But this is not God's judgement wrath.

Hello Lucy,

Just fyi, everything that happens during that time period, including the events of the beast, happen within the time of God's wrath, know as the day of the Lord. It is all apart of God's plan with that last seven years being the fulfillment of the seventy seven year periods that were decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem found in Dan.9:24-27. The reference to Satan being enraged is because God helps the woman/Israel escape. But as previously stated, that entire period and everything that happens, takes place during the time of God's wrath. While the events of the beast is going on, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will have already been in operation.

 

[Endoscopy]

First, you didn't ask me.

Second, Told everyone this is something new not in the Bible. A revelation for the end time generations. How can I give you Bible verses backing me up when this is something new?

Third, This speaks of the end of the Church age. Not the final Resurrection.

Fourth, This was told to me verbally by a Cherub angel that was challenged by me with 1st John chapter 4 verses 1-3. If you want to argue specifics with a 14 foot tall Cheribum angel, who has verified he is of God the Father, knock yourself out!

Fifth, This is a matter of Faith. How you receive it is your problem, not mine.

Now for the finally,

The sign given in Revelation chapter 12 is a planetary occultation that occurs on November 22, 2065. This marks the beginning of the last 3 and 1\2 years of the Tribulation Period. This sign will appear over Jerusalem at 12 noon their time.

The Rapture will occur in a 60 day window before this date, between October 22 and November 22 of 2065. Jesus gave us a hint that the next Siege of Jerusalem will happen in Winter.

Now for your verification here is something to let you know this if from God the Father.
In May of 2018 the ground for the new Temple on the Mount will be broken. It will take 40 years for this temple to be completed. When the last stone is place then will begin the last 7 year countdown of Daniel's 70 weeks concerning Israel before Jesus' Return to this Earth to set up his Millennium Kingdom on Earth.


No man Knows the day or hour of Jesus' Return. This concerns the Rapture, which again I can not give you the exact day or hour. It does concern the sign of Revelation 12, you are given the exact day and hour.

This is all I am going to reply on this. Will not get in a pissing match with any Legalists. This is not my conjecture but verbally given to me from a Cheribum Angel. Do with it what you will.

Peace to you All.

Which sign? The woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet and a crown or the red dragon with 7 heads, 10 horns, and 7 crowns?

Have you been drinking some sort of kool-aid?

 

[p_rehbein]

Funny thing is......................................ONE DAY some of you guys will STILL BE here posting, but SOME of us will be LONG GONE to our Heavenly Homes.........

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Funny thing is......................................ONE DAY some of you guys will STILL BE here posting, but SOME of us will be LONG GONE to our Heavenly Homes.........



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Why? If the Church is raptured will God take only people who believe the pre-trib rapture? Or will he take all of us?

 

[heartofdavid]

Where does it say that? As I recall it says that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark.
Not that he utterly destroys them all.

It says they all take the mark. All on the planet take the mark.
It says power was given to the AC to overcome,or kill the saints.
In rev 20 or so,it says he beheads the saints.

That alone anihilates mid and postrib raptures

 

[heartofdavid]

Why? If the Church is raptured will God take only people who believe the pre-trib rapture? Or will he take all of us?

He only takes the bride.
Mat 25 vividly depicts the rapture of half the saints

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

He only takes the bride.
Mat 25 vividly depicts the rapture of half the saints

So which half of us get left behind?

 

[heartofdavid]

Lucy,

I drink.....His Fathers kingdom.

But we don't become the Fathers kingdom, until death is destroyed and Jesus delivers the kingdom up to God 1 Cor 15:23-28.

That is when we drink it new.

There is nothing but eternity after the kingdom is delivered up to God.

No more resurrections, death is destroyed.

No,Jesus said it happens in heaven (at the last supper)

Rev 19 show the bride has become the wife in heaven.

Mat 25 shows half the church entering the wedding chamber.

The parable of the wedding feast shows the Jews refusing the invitation,and 2 other groups attending.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Hello Lucy,

Just fyi, everything that happens during that time period, including the events of the beast, happen within the time of God's wrath, know as the day of the Lord. It is all apart of God's plan with that last seven years being the fulfillment of the seventy seven year periods that were decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem found in Dan.9:24-27. The reference to Satan being enraged is because God helps the woman/Israel escape. But as previously stated, that entire period and everything that happens, takes place during the time of God's wrath. While the events of the beast is going on, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will have already been in operation.

Right but that still ignores my point that God can protect us on earth. And you aren't interested why I'm bringing that up so lets move on. I'm still not convinced any of this is indicates a pre-trib rapture MUST occur. Only that it MIGHT.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

No,Jesus said it happens in heaven (at the last supper)

Rev 19 show the bride has become the wife in heaven.

Mat 25 shows half the church entering the wedding chamber.

The parable of the wedding feast shows the Jews refusing the invitation,and 2 other groups attending.

Matthew 25 New International Version (NIV)

The Parable of the Ten Virgins

25 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4 The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6 “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’
7 “Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8 The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’
9 “‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’
10 “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’
12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’
13 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

 

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No,Jesus said it happens in heaven (at the last supper)

It happens in His Fathers kingdom, after death is destroyed, Rev 20. That is when the kingdom is delivered up to the Father.

Rev 19 show the bride has become the wife in heaven.

It just says that she has made herself ready, not that the wedding takes place at that time. They are OT saints part of the bride.

Mat 25 shows half the church entering the wedding chamber.

The sheep and the goats, Matt 25:31-46.

The parable of the wedding feast shows the Jews refusing the invitation,and 2 other groups attending.

So when did the Jews refuse the invitation? 70 ad?

 

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Right but that still ignores my point that God can protect us on earth. And you aren't interested why I'm bringing that up so lets move on. I'm still not convinced any of this is indicates a pre-trib rapture MUST occur. Only that it MIGHT.

Lucy,

One thing, that you must always remember, is that the beast is Rome.

The iron legs/toes of the statue in Daniel 2, and the 4th beast of Dan. 7.

This is where pre trib and others fall apart.

Everyone wants to skip over 70 ad until this present day.

But the iron does not stop and start up again, it is one solid piece, divided, but solid.

The rapt/resur., is the stone striking, that is where Jesus comes for the kingdom.

 

[followjesus]

Ex 16:16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud;

1 Thes 4:16 (B) With the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: "


matthew 24 " Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.37But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, ( the world will be going on as normal when Jesus returns) 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh."
revelation 13 " And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints."


revelation 14 " And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them."


the saints those who keep Jesus testimony and commandments, are on earth while all of this is happening, its been unfolding since jerusalem was destroyed in ad 70. and has spread to every part of the earth the world is currectly in tribulation, its just that we see our own world and neighborhood and city. when you look globally from jerusalem at the center, there is total chaos around thier borders all reletive middle eastern countries, china, russia, Iran, north korea, syria ect all of these countries foundational belief is that Israel needs wiped from existance. there are famines terrorists spreading like fire through africa and europe, already consumning the levant. even peceful nations like america there are murders and rapes and terrible abuses of children and the prisons are so full we have no room left, weve removed Gods name from nearly everything public, were fluirting with nuclear war. the world is not like it seems in our living room, or church building, were blessed to have been born in a place of less chaos, but its not that it isnt occuring.

the " rapture" is simply the day of the Lord when Jesus returns with all those who have been martyred to gather those who believed and condemn those who would not believe. the 7 year rapture stuff is just people trying to firgure out whats not really there. Jesus is the way to understand whats coming for His people. he has alot to say of His return and the gathering of His elect. he claims as revelation claims that believers will exist in a world that is of darkness and many persecutions they will face, that the world and its rule will hate those who are disciples of Jesus. the thing is it was a;lready a dark and evil world , thats Why we killed the One good man who ever was born who came to Love and save us..... paul taught the present evil and dark world we must be aware of and stand against even in His time.


ephesoians 6 " Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand"


from the beginning Gods people have been mistreated abel was killed for righteousness sake. the prophets then were stoned and killed by those they were sent to, Jesus was Killed by those He was sent to, the apostles were martyred by those they were sent to preach the gospel to, those who would not deny burned on crosses, skinned alive, boiled in vats of oil, tossed whole families into arenas with Hungry lions and tigers, bears and beasts, snake pits bonfires, linens soaked in oils crucified and set ablaze to light neros garden.......


in 2016, ( fox news. the ap, and every major news org, reported ) 90,000 christians martyred for thier faith. suicide bombings of christian churches, missionaries killed in war torn countries, caught up in civil wars, beheadings by terrorist muslims mass shootings in congo.....


the things in revelation are a slowly unfolding more of a semi perpetual thing, people wonder often why bad things happen and God doesnt step in and stop all the terrible things....the world is like it is, because God gave it to us and we brought the curses of sin and death to the earth. this world is winding down and the new things will come. if were here in the very end when Jesus comes, then well be caught up with Him, and the rest will be cast into the lake of fire. if the rapture is referring to that its true, but the pre trib rapture forces Jesus to not understand what hes talking about, its the safest thing to trust His view it will always be correct, revelation remember is His revelation His words.....it connects everywhere

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Lucy,

One thing, that you must always remember, is that the beast is Rome.

The iron legs/toes of the statue in Daniel 2, and the 4th beast of Dan. 7.

This is where pre trib and others fall apart.

Everyone wants to skip over 70 ad until this present day.

But the iron does not stop and start up again, it is one solid piece, divided, but solid.

The rapt/resur., is the stone striking, that is where Jesus comes for the kingdom.

I'm with you providing you can consider that we should remember ALL of Rome. The Eastern half of the empire (Byzantium)as well as the West.The Eastern half outlasted the western half by over 1000 years and it encompassed all the territories of the former Babylonian, Persian, Assyrian & Egyptian empires as well as most of the Greek.

 

[Nehemiah6]

But the iron does not stop and start up again, it is one solid piece, divided, but solid.

How can iron be "one solid piece" once it is mingled with clay? So you might want to give that some further thought and then make the necessary adjustments in your thinking.

The Roman Empire passed away a long time ago. But the countries which were within it remain to this day, and they certainly DO NOT have the strength or the ascendancy which Rome had. That is what the iron represented, and it does not exist any more. And it is out of that group of nations that the Antichrist will make his appear.

 

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I'm with you providing you can consider that we should remember ALL of Rome. The Eastern half of the empire (Byzantium)as well as the West.The Eastern half outlasted the western half by over 1000 years and it encompassed all the territories of the former Babylonian, Persian, Assyrian & Egyptian empires as well as most of the Greek.

My opinion, ha ha,

The statue iron begins with the invasion of Israel by the Romans.

Then we would assume that the birth of Jesus and the day of Pentecost would follow soon after the iron started.

The Roman Empire divided in the 3rd century when the legs begin to be divided, east and west.

Then the toes, the number 10 is symbolic of being completely divided, it is not literal, it is in the context of symbolic passages.

The Roman Empire divided into far more than ten nations, so it is not literal.

The clay is non Roman nations that have power over Israel until they are restored to Jerusalem.

Once they are restored to military control over Jerusalem, the statue if finished, and the rule of the gentile nations over Israel and Jerusalem is ended.

Then the stone strikes, which is Jesus coming for the kingdom.

 

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How can iron be "one solid piece" once it is mingled with clay? So you might want to give that some further thought and then make the necessary adjustments in your thinking.

The Roman Empire passed away a long time ago. But the countries which were within it remain to this day, and they certainly DO NOT have the strength or the ascendancy which Rome had. That is what the iron represented, and it does not exist any more. And it is out of that group of nations that the Antichrist will make his appear.

Hi N6,

The iron and clay do not mix, but remain separated, Dan 2:43.

V 41, The iron maintains it's strength even though it is divided. It is always there continually (Nations/kingdoms).

 

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How can iron be "one solid piece" once it is mingled with clay? So you might want to give that some further thought and then make the necessary adjustments in your thinking.

The Roman Empire passed away a long time ago.

That is when the statue divided into 10 toes.

But the countries which were within it remain to this day, and they certainly DO NOT have the strength or the ascendancy which Rome had. That is what the iron represented,

Rome is the city harlot that sits on the 7 heads of the beast, she exists at the time of the 7 heads, and after the 7th head, and on into the 8th head. She does not end and start again.

After the Roman Empire fell, the RCC took the place of Caesar and Caesar worship, an image of the Roman Empire, and took over the persecution of Israel until 1967.

Do you say that the iron ended at the fall of the Roman Empire? The statue doesn't show that, the iron continues after that event.

Show me in the statue, where the Roman Empire falls.

and it does not exist any more.

The statue shows the gentile nations that rule over Israel until they are restored to Jerusalem. Since 1967 the statue has ended.

This does not mean that the nations cease to exist, only that they do not dominate Israel anymore.

And it is out of that group of nations that the Antichrist will make his appear.

Rev 17:11, The beast of 7 heads is the 8th head, and one of the seven.

How is he the 8th head, if the beast with 7 heads is Rome?

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The Antichrist, the 8th head, is one of the 7 heads , he is Caesar. But the 8th head rules from the death of the 7th head until perdition.

So he rules Israel from the fall of the Roman Empire until Israel is restored to Jerusalem.

 

[heartofdavid]

Hello Heartofdavid,

First of all, there is no church during the time of God's wrath, as the church will have already been caught up prior to God's wrath. Those that you are speaking of are the saints who come out of the GT, which are Gentiles .

I know we have gone over this before, but you are reading into the verse . It states that "so that the image would also speak and cause all who refused to worship it to be killed." Death is the consequence, but it doesn't mean that the beasts government gets all of those who do resist him. This obvious in the fact that, by your claim there would be no Gentiles to enter into the millennial period. It would only be Israel and all Gentile nations would be destroyed. However, we know this not to be true from the following scripture which takes place after the Lord returns to the earth:

"He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore."

Now we know that the event above has not yet taken place and therefore must still be future. And the only other place it can happen is during the millennial period. As you can see, it states that "nation will not take up sword against nation," which would be inferring peoples other than Israel. The point is that, there will indeed be Gentiles who enter into the millennial period. According to your claim, there would be no Gentiles to enter into the millennial period if everyone of them is killed by the AC. It's just scripturally logical.

If you don't agree, please tell me where those other nations come from mentioned in the verse above.

I am sure gentiles will make it through the GT.
It says "every man woman and child take the mark" and that "power was given him to overcome the saints".

Mat 25 shows half the church is left behind.
They are martyred right away by the AC.

NO doubt many gentilles survive the GT.