Not By Works

[loveme1]

If a person takes pride in their military background then leave them be, whatever they did in that uniform was for their country. Because the Children of GOD are not to wage war but love their enemies... knowing Vengeance is not theirs.

We are to Love GOD with all our being and each other.. we wrestle not against flesh and blood.. we have our part in the Spiritual war through Faith in Christ as children of the Father of lights.

I do not know what makes people think they have a GOD given right to kill an enemy when we are taught to love them.. I know what example I will follow.

 

[Lighthouse08]

I noticed no one quotes what Jesus said. Why is that?

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."[/FONT]

 

[gb9]

This is such a strong statement.

It is like being part of the mafia, and finally waking up and walking away.

Yes they are loyal to their own, but cross them and you are dead.

If a believer has come out of a group where their ethic is not not confront sin as poison
that destroys all it touches, the meaning is they are advocating sinning is not a problem.

Another way of expressing this is advocating sinning.

The problem with sin, is you are either against it, or you are a slave to it.
There is no middle ground, which is what Paul is saying.

We cannot be slaves to two masters.

keep in mind people these statements are being made from a perspective of not recognizing the Biblical definition of sin- missing the mark, falling short of a standard, knowing to do good and not doing so. when they toss out these clear definitions, and make their own, then they can make themselves be sinless.

as to how peter defines sin this week, I do not know. it changes. don't take my word for it, go back through his posts, see for yourselves.

 

[notmyown]

John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

this is such a beautiful promise.

 

[Lighthouse08]

As well I don't see the holy spirit here. No one has the characteristics of Jesus or even tries. Where's the fruit, guys? Its just venom. I hope I make you uncomfortable. What Jesus commanded and said would happen to those who don't follow those commands IS frightening. Am I lying? READ WHAT JESUS SAID.

 

[Hizikyah]

I noticed no one quotes what Jesus said. Why is that?

There are some

John/Yahanan 10:27-30, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord."


John/Yahanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."

John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"


*Mosheh wrote:


Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"



"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}


Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)


Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey


John/Yahanan 10:27-30, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord."

Matthew 28

16Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

His teachings require action...

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 21:1-2, “And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Yah, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Master! Master! Will enter into the Kingdom of YHWH, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Master! Master! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]iniquity” is word # G0458 - anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459, Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1) the condition of without law, 1a) because ignorant of it, 1b) because of violating it, 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 3:36, “He who believes in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Yah remains on him.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."[/FONT]

 

[PeterJens]

keep in mind people these statements are being made from a perspective of not recognizing the Biblical definition of sin- missing the mark, falling short of a standard, knowing to do good and not doing so. when they toss out these clear definitions, and make their own, then they can make themselves be sinless.

as to how peter defines sin this week, I do not know. it changes. don't take my word for it, go back through his posts, see for yourselves.

keep in mind people these statements are being made from a perspective of not recognizing the Biblical definition of sin- missing the mark, falling short of a standard, knowing to do good and not doing so. when they toss out these clear definitions, and make their own, then they can make themselves be sinless.

as to how gb9 defines sin this week, I do not know. it changes. don't take my word for it, go back through his posts, see for yourselves.

 

[PeterJens]

On defining sin, what is odd is how a believer thinks sin is so hard to define.

God make it clear and gave us commands to that we might get the idea of what
is sinful and what is not.

Now clearly some people believe just being alive is sinful, which is why they hold
we can never be truly cleansed, pure and holy.

But this contradicts scripture.

If you do not know how to define sin I suggest you do a bible study on this subject.

 

[Studyman]

If a person takes pride in their military background then leave them be, whatever they did in that uniform was for their country. Because the Children of GOD are not to wage war but love their enemies... knowing Vengeance is not theirs.

We are to Love GOD with all our being and each other.. we wrestle not against flesh and blood.. we have our part in the Spiritual war through Faith in Christ as children of the Father of lights.

I do not know what makes people think they have a GOD given right to kill an enemy when we are taught to love them.. I know what example I will follow.

If I may,

Our true enemy is in our mind, it comes from within, not from without.

Eph. 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

And when we find this true enemy, we kill it. No mercy. And God has given us the armor and weapons to do just that.

2 Cor. 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds 5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;


I don't agree with DC on Spiritual matters, but I know God uses him and people like him to create an environment where I can have these discussions in peace and safety. At least in this country. And as long as that is the case, I am very grateful.

 

[Hizikyah]

On defining sin, what is odd is how a believer thinks sin is so hard to define.

God make it clear and gave us commands to that we might get the idea of what
is sinful and what is not.

Now clearly some people believe just being alive is sinful, which is why they hold
we can never be truly cleansed, pure and holy.

But this contradicts scripture.

If you do not know how to define sin I suggest you do a bible study on this subject.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:11, “I have treasured up Your word in my heart, That I might not sin against You.”[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 4:15, "Because the law works wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law*!"[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 6:16, "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 2:15, "Who show the work of the Torah written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing (condemming sin) or even excusing (justifying sin)."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."[/FONT]

 

[loveme1]

If I may,

Our true enemy is in our mind, it comes from within, not from without.

Eph. 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

And when we find this true enemy, we kill it. No mercy. And God has given us the armor and weapons to do just that.

2 Cor. 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds 5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;


I don't agree with DC on Spiritual matters, but I know God uses him and people like him to create an environment where I can have these discussions in peace and safety. At least in this country. And as long as that is the case, I am very grateful.

I may not agree with DC on much either.. but was he born to kill in the name of peace and safety of a nation? Paul before conversion and what he believed prior comes to mind.. afterwards He was persecuted.. tell me at what point did believers go from being killed for the Faith to killing for country?

You have a Christian in One country believe he fights for GOD and country and a Christian in another Country of the same belief.. they come against each other because their nations are at war.. which one is a Christian and should prevail?


I speak these things because the day is coming when many will put country first and do things for people that deceive them.. yes.. the day is here but in the last many will live by rather than die by the sword having been deceived that they had a GOD given right to..

May it not be so for any here.. May it not be so.

Be Faithful unto death my friends.. let not the blood be on your hands for the evil rebellion play on your prideful flag covered hearts.

 

[loveme1]

Revelation 13

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.


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[stonesoffire]

John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

And this is what happened at Pentecost. The problem with your interpretation is that you think His teachings are the law.

It is passing away...old and dusty. The new is in place and is the whole of Jesus given to us that we might walk as He walked.

What bible are you reading?

 

[stonesoffire]

I new thought
Do you think the sanctuary (revealed in old testament) was symbolic or a typology of salvation and is there a sanctuary in Heaven?

The sanctuary in heaven is reality TMS. It is eternal. Here is temporary. And it is there. The blood of Jesus actually is on the mercy seat before Father and it speaks mercy to the world all the time.

 

[stonesoffire]

Luk_5:36　 Then he told them a parable: "No one tears a piece of cloth from a new garment and sews it on an old garment. If he does, the new cloth will tear, and the piece from the new will not match the old.


Luk_5:37　 And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will make the skins burst, the wine will be spilled, and the skins will be ruined.


Luk_5:39　 No one who has been drinking old wine wants new wine, because he says, 'The old wine is good enough!'"

Speaking of Holy Spirit to come.

 

[Rosemaryx]

Hi all...It`s a beautiful sunny day in England, and I just want to let you all know that today is my birthday in Christ Jesus 2 years since the LORD washed me, forgave me and made me a new creation in Him...

Ephesians 2:8-9 8[FONT=&quot] For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]9 not by works, so that no one can boast...[/FONT]

I am more in love with our LORD than I could ever imagine, This is the day the Lord has made, and I am going to rejoice in it ...Just thought I would share with you all, I want to shout it from the roof tops ...\o/...xox...

 

[loveme1]

Hi all...It`s a beautiful sunny day in England, and I just want to let you all know that today is my birthday in Christ Jesus 2 years since the LORD washed me, forgave me and made me a new creation in Him...

Ephesians 2:8-9 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—9 not by works, so that no one can boast...

I am more in love with our LORD than I could ever imagine, This is the day the Lord has made, and I am going to rejoice in it ...Just thought I would share with you all, I want to shout it from the roof tops ...\o/...xox...

Amazing Grace from an Amazing GOD.

it is lovely today.. such joy.. thanks for sharing .. I welled up .. I’m such a softy.

 

[Hizikyah]

Hi all...It`s a beautiful sunny day in England, and I just want to let you all know that today is my birthday in Christ Jesus 2 years since the LORD washed me, forgave me and made me a new creation in Him...

Ephesians 2:8-9 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—9 not by works, so that no one can boast...

I am more in love with our LORD than I could ever imagine, This is the day the Lord has made, and I am going to rejoice in it ...Just thought I would share with you all, I want to shout it from the roof tops ...\o/...xox...

halleluYah!!!!

Psalm 106:1,
"Praise Yah! Oh, give thanks to יהוה, For He is good!
For His loving-commitment is everlasting."

 

[stonesoffire]

Here's another gem from the scripture that most people never heard.


The piece of cloth that covered Jesus's face was not a napkin that is at the table. It was a cloth used to catch sweat from a man at work. Found separated from the linen cloth that covered His body.

Now tell me this doesn't speak of rest from labors that Jesus brought to mankind? The Spirit is our refreshing, and we have sat down in the heavenly realm with Jesus above all that is earthly. That we might partake of all that is heavenly.

Come up a little higher.