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Yes.
So the ones Yah say Sanctifies themselves "following behind one in the center of a congregation)" or they listen to a man leading a copngregation rather than listen to Yah.
(H310 אַחַר 'achar - H259 אֶחָד 'echad - H8432 תָּוֶךְ tavek, meaning following behind one in the centerof a congregation)
H310 אַחַר 'achar (ach-ar') adv., 1. (properly) the hind part., 2. (generally, as adverb or conjunction) after (in various senses)., [from H309]
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj., 1. (properly) united, i.e. one., 2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
H8432 תָּוֶךְ tavek (taw'-vek) n-m., 1. a bisection., 2. (by implication) the center.
The ones here do things the way Yah says, thus they are sanctified by Him, He said it not me.
Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am YHWH Who sanctifies them."
*Sign is Word #H226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.
So the ones Yah say Sanctifies themselves "following behind one in the center of a congregation)" or they listen to a man leading a copngregation rather than listen to Yah.
(H310 אַחַר 'achar - H259 אֶחָד 'echad - H8432 תָּוֶךְ tavek, meaning following behind one in the centerof a congregation)
H310 אַחַר 'achar (ach-ar') adv., 1. (properly) the hind part., 2. (generally, as adverb or conjunction) after (in various senses)., [from H309]
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj., 1. (properly) united, i.e. one., 2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
H8432 תָּוֶךְ tavek (taw'-vek) n-m., 1. a bisection., 2. (by implication) the center.
The ones here do things the way Yah says, thus they are sanctified by Him, He said it not me.
Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am YHWH Who sanctifies them."
*Sign is Word #H226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.
I know you are right, but I have wonder how they Justify that when the Bible says this:
2 Peter 1:20-21 (NKJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
2 Peter 1:20-21 (NKJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
Thank you for responding and clarifying, I genuinely appreciate it.
You did, but no apology needed.
I am simply following your suggestion of comparing interpretations with others to make sure we are not deceived into believing false interpretations. I asked a very simple question to compare your understanding of these two scriptures to my understanding.
What is the difference between, or is there any difference between these two scriptures.
Prov. 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
And
Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
If you don't know that's fine, if you are uncomfortable discussing these scriptures that is fine as well. If you just don't want to answer, that's OK too.
But please, don't just change the subject.
I look forward to your answer whatever it may be.
You did, but no apology needed.
I am simply following your suggestion of comparing interpretations with others to make sure we are not deceived into believing false interpretations. I asked a very simple question to compare your understanding of these two scriptures to my understanding.
What is the difference between, or is there any difference between these two scriptures.
Prov. 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
And
Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
If you don't know that's fine, if you are uncomfortable discussing these scriptures that is fine as well. If you just don't want to answer, that's OK too.
But please, don't just change the subject.
I look forward to your answer whatever it may be.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]*Mosheh wrote:[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"listen" is word #8085 - [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]שָׁמַע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]shama` {shaw-mah'}[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey
[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 10:27-30, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]*Mosheh wrote:[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"listen" is word #8085 - [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]שָׁמַע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]shama` {shaw-mah'}[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey
[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 10:27-30, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord."[/FONT]
You don’t scare us.. for we know the Truth because of the Grace and Mercy of GOD through Faith in Christ.. we live by Faith in Christ and the Spiritualy blind would say such things as you... to Love GOD is to obey Him.. Faith that worketh by love.. GOD is Gracious and GOD has heard.. such Truth that my name declares it ... oh how my Spirit delights in His Law and how blessed am I to of been saved to worship GOD in Spirit and Truth.. vanilla twist.. cake taker.. whatever you have stored up.. I’m gonna Love my GOD forever as I will love even my enemies because His Love is shed abroad and I’m free to walk in the Spirit.. my Lord is my life..
... oh how my Spirit delights in His Law and how blessed am I to of been saved to worship GOD in Spirit and Truth.. vanilla twist.. cake taker.. whatever you have stored up.. I’m gonna Love my GOD forever as I will love even my enemies because His Love is shed abroad and I’m free to walk in the Spirit.. my Lord is my life..
I posted this...and the Pharisees came out in force with the same vitriol they did with JESUS, PETER and PAUL.......hahahahahha LOVE IT....keep proving who you really follow.....just like the Pharisees of old.....they claimed God, yet in reality were the blind leaders of the blind.......
Have you all kept the law, every law 24/7/365? If not....your condemned sinners.........and need JESUS by faith without embellishments!
Same old argument. If one was understand what Grace truly does for us, then we can say that we are sinners, saved by grace. That is so true, how ever His grace also extends to any short coming. The hardest thing to get you and others to understand is so simple, salvation has always been by faith, and never by works. Even with Abraham it was by faith and not works. The keeping of Torah, (at lest the parts that apply to you), is not sin. Sin is, (as defined in the Word) 1John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
If one was to say that they are not under the law, ( a true statement) and follow that up with the Law no longer applies, they face the question of sexual sin, and many others. Yet even when saying the law is no longer valid, and has been done away with, they will hold to many of them. Like teaching that homosexuality will is an abomination. If the law was removed, then that would not be a true statement. We can't have it both ways. If we wish to follow even one of the laws, then we place our self under the judgment of them all.
If not them for me to say I am 20 foot tall, though it is a lie, it wouldn't be wrong, and can't be seen as sin.
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
If one was to say that they are not under the law, ( a true statement) and follow that up with the Law no longer applies, they face the question of sexual sin, and many others. Yet even when saying the law is no longer valid, and has been done away with, they will hold to many of them. Like teaching that homosexuality will is an abomination. If the law was removed, then that would not be a true statement. We can't have it both ways. If we wish to follow even one of the laws, then we place our self under the judgment of them all.
If not them for me to say I am 20 foot tall, though it is a lie, it wouldn't be wrong, and can't be seen as sin.
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lol, this cracks me up.
The law was never given to show a person how to be righteous. The law was given to show a person how unworthy they are so they could be prepaired for christ (the schoolmaster)
we do not need the law to tell us what sin is, Es paul said, even gentiles who do not have the law. Ok know what sin is.
You can't mix law and grace. They are incomparable. The law leads us to realise we need grace, once that has been accomplished, it has done its job. Now we look to love, as Jesus said, the two love commands encompass ALL the law and prophets.
One can follow the law and not be spiritual at all. Law will never help anyone become spiritual.
The law was never given to show a person how to be righteous. The law was given to show a person how unworthy they are so they could be prepaired for christ (the schoolmaster)
we do not need the law to tell us what sin is, Es paul said, even gentiles who do not have the law. Ok know what sin is.
You can't mix law and grace. They are incomparable. The law leads us to realise we need grace, once that has been accomplished, it has done its job. Now we look to love, as Jesus said, the two love commands encompass ALL the law and prophets.
One can follow the law and not be spiritual at all. Law will never help anyone become spiritual.
Hi Decon, False teachers are cunning and treacherous, they would lead astray even Gods elect if that were possible. Their wicked doctrines show on the outside how morally and spiritually bankrupt they are on the inside. They are alway's looking for the young and innocent believers, who they can feed their sugar coated poisonous words to, and then lead them astray. There is nothing good about their
message and it only leads to despair, and darkness.
Originally Posted by PJW
The rebellious will be given just enough rope to hang themselves.
message and it only leads to despair, and darkness.
The rebellious will be given just enough rope to hang themselves.
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Well If I was not included at all in that, then I repent and say I am sorry, if that is so. I ahve no way pof knowing, but you do throw accusations or degrading remarks around easily and you have said those things to me in the past. If im wrong Im sorry, if you meant it toward me then I would stand by it, I will take you at your word. I retract my statement.
I suggest you read the thread.......because what you accuse me of.....and what you say about what you think I believe misses the mark....the bolded I have always stated and believed....and as far as the LAW I have said clearly that it is still in force for ALL who are not in Christ and condemns ALL who are no in Christ and POINTS ALL ho are not in Christ to CHRIST and the only cure.
that which was designed to prove guilt will NEVER make one righteous......
that which was designed to prove guilt will NEVER make one righteous......
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