Not By Works

[LittleGirl]

You probably would have said the same thing when John called the Pharisees a generation of vipers or when Jesus called them white washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men....SAY....

How Christian was Jesus making a whip and driving the money changers from the temple?

or When Elijah mocked and ridiculed the prophets of Baal?

The Pharisees kept people out of heaven.
The money changers were on the temple grounds.
Jesus was right to be mad.

 

[PeterJens]

Funny thing about money changers and those who demand dedication and lottery
return of money given to the church tend to be these guys who say how you live
does not matter just what you believe. Odd that connection.....

 

[LittleGirl]

Everything he said in that post was false and misleading and did not for one second address anything I said

You know....you sound a lot like Fran.....she used a little girl for an avatar and used PINK for her name......

??
I didn't pick the pink.

 

[dcontroversal]

The Pharisees kept people out of heaven.
The money changers were on the temple grounds.
Jesus was right to be mad.

What about John? and you think everybody on here teaches truth? Some of the cracker jack gospels peddled on this site leads straight to hell as well..........any and every one that diminishes Jesus and elevates self, works, the rejection of the promises and power of Jesus etc......

 

[Seohce]

Hi Dcon, I agree with your statements. Seohce, "Are you a sinner", this is just more,
"faulty reasoning"

Christian's, true believer's, are on a "life long pursuit of holiness and service to God.", (our sanctification). The bible say's we will sin and if you do not believe this the truth is not in you. These sinless perfectionist people will have a rude awakening when Christ's return's for His Bride the Church.
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Originally Posted by Seohce

ARE YOU STILL A SINNER OR NOT? PLEASE BE HONEST AND ANSWER MY SIMPLE QUESTION? I AM WAITING FOR YOUR HONEST ANSWER.

Thanks for the comment although I'm on your ignore long list. So can you answer with a YES or NO what dcon couldn't honestly answer?

 

[dcontroversal]

Funny thing about money changers and those who demand dedication and lottery
return of money given to the church tend to be these guys who say how you live
does not matter just what you believe. Odd that connection.....

This is about as ignorant as can be with no comparison whatsoever at all......

 

[LittleGirl]

What about John? and you think everybody on here teaches truth? Some of the cracker jack gospels peddled on this site leads straight to hell as well..........any and every one that diminishes Jesus and elevates self, works, the rejection of the promises and power of Jesus etc......

John?
Jesus must increase and I must decrease.

 

[PeterJens]

I can tell you that Christianity has been coddled to death.....people are easily offended, cannot deal with a little scriptural heat or banter, will dish out accusations, and do the self same stuff they accuse other of while whining and crying foul....

Just wait till the heads start coming off for the cause of Christ......Everyone on here who is easily offended needs to take a few hours and watch a few videos of "Christians" who refuse to deny Jesus having their throats slit or heads cut off or being burnt to death or hung for Christ........if we cannot handle a little heat for our stance or belief we will fold when the rubber really meets the road.

I do find this line dc is taking is ironic.

He is the one who takes offence, like EG, and says how insulting etc. others are
and how this or that is saying Christ is lying.

I encountered from this group was this continual abuse, as if they could actually
describe the offence, but unfortunately not normally.

But lets break it down simply. Here we are believers, sinning everyday, which we
cannot stop doing, yet Christ loves and accepts us.

To me this is simply sinners rebelling and saying God does not care about purity,
holiness and walking in the Spirit. Just read the lists of those doomed to hell,
and you understand they are the sinners. and the repentant faithful, followers of
Christ going to heaven.

I simply cannot understand and comprehend how anyone can come to these conclusions,
because you have to ignore so much of who the Lord is.

But if making the Lord fit ones own failures, then it is easy to do.

 

[dcontroversal]

John?
Jesus must increase and I must decrease.

You know that is not what I meant!

 

[dcontroversal]

I do find this line dc is taking is ironic.

He is the one who takes offence, like EG, and says how insulting etc. others are
and how this or that is saying Christ is lying.

I encountered from this group was this continual abuse, as if they could actually
describe the offence, but unfortunately not normally.

But lets break it down simply. Here we are believers, sinning everyday, which we
cannot stop doing, yet Christ loves and accepts us.

To me this is simply sinners rebelling and saying God does not care about purity,
holiness and walking in the Spirit. Just read the lists of those doomed to hell,
and you understand they are the sinners. and the repentant faithful, followers of
Christ going to heaven.

I simply cannot understand and comprehend how anyone can come to these conclusions,
because you have to ignore so much of who the Lord is.

But if making the Lord fit ones own failures, then it is easy to do.

You disagree and contradict everything I say....exactly why most disregard you and what you say....you do this very thing with any and all who you disagree with .....no substance, all opinion and no facts.........

 

[Hizikyah]

1 Thessalonians 4:7-8, “For Yah did not call us to uncleanness, but in set-apartness. Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but Yah, who also gives us His Set-apart Spirit.”

1 Corinthians 6:9-10, "Do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the reign of Yah? Do not be deceived. Neither those who whore, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor greedy of gain, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers shall inherit the reign of Yah.”

Philippians 2:12-13, “So that, my beloved, as you always obeyed – not only in my presence, but now much rather in my absence – work out your own deliverance with fear and trembling, for it is Yah who is working in you both to desire and to work for His righteous pleasure."

 

[Ellsworth1943]

I do find this line dc is taking is ironic.

He is the one who takes offence, like EG, and says how insulting etc. others are
and how this or that is saying Christ is lying.

I encountered from this group was this continual abuse, as if they could actually
describe the offence, but unfortunately not normally.

But lets break it down simply. Here we are believers, sinning everyday, which we
cannot stop doing, yet Christ loves and accepts us.

To me this is simply sinners rebelling and saying God does not care about purity,
holiness and walking in the Spirit. Just read the lists of those doomed to hell,
and you understand they are the sinners. and the repentant faithful, followers of
Christ going to heaven.

I simply cannot understand and comprehend how anyone can come to these conclusions,
because you have to ignore so much of who the Lord is.

But if making the Lord fit ones own failures, then it is easy to do.

You can not understand because you believe that you must live without sin to be saved. Salvation is based on what you do or do not do. That is works for salvation.
You have been told time and again that we do not ignore sin. When we sin it breaks our heart. We hate it. But the simple fact is, as long as we live in this flesh we will sin.
Stop with the ridiculous charge that we just live a life of continuous sin. And stop with the lie that you do not sin.

 

[dcontroversal]

You can not understand because you believe that you must live without sin to be saved. Salvation is based on what you do or do not do. That is works for salvation.
You have been told time and again that we do not ignore sin. When we sin it breaks our heart. We hate it. But the simple fact is, as long as we live in this flesh we will sin.
Stop with the ridiculous charge that we just live a life of continuous sin. And stop with the lie that you do not sin.

AMEN brother.....his modus operandi.........NON STOP in almost every post

 

[Ellsworth1943]

AMEN brother.....his modus operandi.........NON STOP in almost every post

I'm mostly a laid back, non confrontational guy, But sometimes I just loose it when such foolish statements are made.

 

[dcontroversal]

I'm mostly a laid back, non confrontational guy, But sometimes I just loose it when such foolish statements are made.

I was a shy, kept my mouth shut kind of guy until the MARINES....I absolutely will not keep silent when some of the things that get said get said on here.....

 

[Ellsworth1943]

I was a shy, kept my mouth shut kind of guy until the MARINES....I absolutely will not keep silent when some of the things that get said get said on here.....

Got to go. Need to bring fire wood before dark.

 

[gb9]

I have a question for everyone, if I believe this verse am I considered to be "justified by works"

John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

if you keep reading, Jesus says twice in chapter 15- my command is to love one another as I have loved you.

you called me dishonest earlier. well, just for the record, I agree with the word intent could be used in Matthew 7-12. but it is not. and, I am not isolating verses , with no or little context, and building false theology around them.

 

[Seohce]

My position is clear...has been the same from day one on this site...

A. The spirit is born of INCORRUPTABLE SEED by the SPIRIT OF GOD and does NOT SIN <---why we are eternally secure
B. The spirit is housed in a dead body of sin not subject unto the law of GOD and unless TRANSFORMED by the renewing of the mind will fall short every time and sin <---why we are chastised as children when we fail to walk worthy
C. The battle ground is the MIND <---Jesus said the SPIRIT is WILLING but the FLESH IS WEAK

The CORINTHAN reference is applicable unto the BODY and the DAY it is raised incorruptible, celestial, in power

ALL sin except JESUS...some more than others!

OK then that looks like a YES. Am I right that you admit that you are still a sinner? YES or NO?

 

[dcontroversal]

OK then that looks like a YES. Am I right that you admit that you are still a sinner? YES or NO?

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

My position is clear...has been the same from day one on this site...

A. The spirit is born of INCORRUPTABLE SEED by the SPIRIT OF GOD and does NOT SIN <---why we are eternally secure
B. The spirit is housed in a dead body of sin not subject unto the law of GOD and unless TRANSFORMED by the renewing of the mind will fall short every time and sin <---why we are chastised as children when we fail to walk worthy
C. The battle ground is the MIND <---Jesus said the SPIRIT is WILLING but the FLESH IS WEAK

The CORINTHAN reference is applicable unto the BODY and the DAY it is raised incorruptible, celestial, in power

ALL sin except JESUS...some more than others!

 

[PHart]

I don't know what is going on with my like button. Sometimes I have it, and then I don't. So consider this a like. Could give a rep too but can't do that either.

lol the net hates me I think. or is it my computer. A communist plot maybe? lol

The 'like' buttons disappear after I post. Then I hit F5 and they reappear. Try it.