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Everybody knows you're still reading the posts of the people on your ignore list, lol.
What is helpful for those of us on your ignore list is your posts are better responded to when you act like you can not see them and don't respond to our rebuttals. It gives us a direct line of fire at the nonsense you spew out without the distractions of your interference.
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eternally-gratefull
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lol. We only prove he is working to earn salvation by his own power and rejectingGods power to keep him.
We KNOW those who are part of the TRUE church (body of Christ) Has been set free from sin. As John said, Whoever sins has neither seen God or known him, WHoever is born of God does not live in sin.
But he will never admit that, He is to busy fighting calvanism. And not listening to a word anyone says, so he is blinded to what actually is going on here. Just let him. He will find out one day, I just pray it is not too late.
Can you please show me for the sake of truth and not deception where I said here that I am sinless and a perfectionist if I may add. Scriptures...Scriptures.
2 Timothy 3:15-17 and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
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eternally-gratefull
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1. I never said you made the claim, I asked you if you make that claim.
2. You mocked And condemned people who admitted they were not sinless. So you tell me why you would mock and condemn them if you are not claiming to be sinless yourself?
That's how you treat everyone who oppose you but I still believe that not all who are reading along are heart-hardenened or as blind as you. If your Faith Alone in Christ Saves you, why do you reject His commands?
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eternally-gratefull
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Now it is your turn to show the room for the sake of truth where DC ever rejected Gods commands.
You guys are really good in twisting everything. Have you heard of double standards?
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
=VCO;3313761]Two Points to show you how far OFF CENTER your theology is:
POINT #1.
Oh, I see, so it was the Sanhedrin that persecuted and killed the Prophets of old Stephen Spoke of. It was the Sadhadren that Killed Jesus and the Religious Jews had nothing to do with it. Is this your Gospel?
Acts 6:9 Then there arose certain of the synagogue, (Pharisees, Jews) which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen.
Synogogue= Greek 4864> "An assembly of persons" "A Jewish Synagogue" (the meeting or the place) assembly, congregation,
Acts 6:10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake.
11 Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God.
Acts. 6:12 And they stirred up the people, and the elders, and the scribes, and came upon him, and caught him, and brought him to the council,
So you preach the religious Jews, had nothing to do with Stephen's murder? Or the murder of Jesus for that matter, how about the murder of the Prophets? Are we to blame the Sanhedrin for that as well?
So you must share the anger of the council towards Stephen for making all these false accusations about the Jews that caused some of them to "Stop their ears" and stone him to death to silence him.
How can I not be sarcastic when you accuse me of lying, and then you turn around and make these easily exposed falsehoods and quite frankly foolish preaching's about scripture.
This is a perfect example of the point I'm trying to make about the deception Jesus warned of.
Church> Greek= a calling out, a popular meeting, a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue or church, a community of members on earth or Saints in heaven, assembly, church.
The translated word "Church" was not mentioned until the New Testament. But the definition of "Church" as you can see, has been around since Moses.
Ex. 12:3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
Congregation> Hebrew= A stated ASSEMBLAGE, an Assembly (as conveined for a definiate purpose) the place of meeting, synagogue.
But the term Synagogue and Congregation did which are the exact same thing.
So to preach there wasn't a Mainstream "Church, synagogue, or congregation of God of Abraham preaching people in Christ's time is false.
And to preach that it wasn't this "church" by definition, who almost stoned Caleb, killed and persecuted the Prophets, Killed Jesus and killed Stephen also is also false.
So I am not lying about God's Word as you accuse. You think I am, you are convinced I am, but as I have clearly shown, I am not.
So if you are wrong about your accusations towards me, which I have clearly exposed you are, maybe you have been deceived by the "Many" who come in Christ's name into believe lies about God's Word and Gospel as well.
The term Sanhedrin only exists in 2 or 3 of almost all translations, yet you still use it.
What exactly is your point?
POINT #1.
Oh, I see, so it was the Sanhedrin that persecuted and killed the Prophets of old Stephen Spoke of. It was the Sadhadren that Killed Jesus and the Religious Jews had nothing to do with it. Is this your Gospel?
Acts 6:9 Then there arose certain of the synagogue, (Pharisees, Jews) which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen.
Synogogue= Greek 4864> "An assembly of persons" "A Jewish Synagogue" (the meeting or the place) assembly, congregation,
Acts 6:10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake.
11 Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God.
Acts. 6:12 And they stirred up the people, and the elders, and the scribes, and came upon him, and caught him, and brought him to the council,
So you preach the religious Jews, had nothing to do with Stephen's murder? Or the murder of Jesus for that matter, how about the murder of the Prophets? Are we to blame the Sanhedrin for that as well?
So you must share the anger of the council towards Stephen for making all these false accusations about the Jews that caused some of them to "Stop their ears" and stone him to death to silence him.
How can I not be sarcastic when you accuse me of lying, and then you turn around and make these easily exposed falsehoods and quite frankly foolish preaching's about scripture.
This is a perfect example of the point I'm trying to make about the deception Jesus warned of.
Church> Greek= a calling out, a popular meeting, a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue or church, a community of members on earth or Saints in heaven, assembly, church.
The translated word "Church" was not mentioned until the New Testament. But the definition of "Church" as you can see, has been around since Moses.
Ex. 12:3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
Congregation> Hebrew= A stated ASSEMBLAGE, an Assembly (as conveined for a definiate purpose) the place of meeting, synagogue.
But the term Synagogue and Congregation did which are the exact same thing.
So to preach there wasn't a Mainstream "Church, synagogue, or congregation of God of Abraham preaching people in Christ's time is false.
And to preach that it wasn't this "church" by definition, who almost stoned Caleb, killed and persecuted the Prophets, Killed Jesus and killed Stephen also is also false.
So I am not lying about God's Word as you accuse. You think I am, you are convinced I am, but as I have clearly shown, I am not.
So if you are wrong about your accusations towards me, which I have clearly exposed you are, maybe you have been deceived by the "Many" who come in Christ's name into believe lies about God's Word and Gospel as well.
The term Sanhedrin only exists in 2 or 3 of almost all translations, yet you still use it.
What exactly is your point?
EG & dc refuse to accept we are putting a valid position in the faith.
They may disagree with our positions, but to not acknowledge their structure and how they
are made is simply self deception.
If you go to theological college part of the training is to define different positions and understand
how and why they hold together both in the believers mind and from the outside.
Now to use the word deceipt is a serious accusation. The problem is if it is an interpretation or
view openly declared, to call this deceipt is itself not being honest.
Now I can testify that 3 members who came to cc, and at various times stood with dc & eg,
but no longer do. Now they are aware of this possibility of change, but I think this scares them
most. I have met unbelievers who said they had no reason to deny Christ truth, they just did
not like the lifestyle involved. What in effect this was them admitting sin was ok and they refused
to humble themselves.
Often unless you actually humble oneself you can find out that one is wrong, because the argument
was correct, but you were just on the wrong side.
So the question of walking in the ways of Christ is our calling and we do need to resolve failure,
but without the goal, the mark, the target, there is no point trying.
And it is obvious Paul and Peter called themselves Holy as well as confessed, repented believers.
This is denied simply by some here, with such aggression it makes me wonder where there
foundations are actually based. Is it wrong to agree with Paul and Peter?
They may disagree with our positions, but to not acknowledge their structure and how they
are made is simply self deception.
If you go to theological college part of the training is to define different positions and understand
how and why they hold together both in the believers mind and from the outside.
Now to use the word deceipt is a serious accusation. The problem is if it is an interpretation or
view openly declared, to call this deceipt is itself not being honest.
Now I can testify that 3 members who came to cc, and at various times stood with dc & eg,
but no longer do. Now they are aware of this possibility of change, but I think this scares them
most. I have met unbelievers who said they had no reason to deny Christ truth, they just did
not like the lifestyle involved. What in effect this was them admitting sin was ok and they refused
to humble themselves.
Often unless you actually humble oneself you can find out that one is wrong, because the argument
was correct, but you were just on the wrong side.
So the question of walking in the ways of Christ is our calling and we do need to resolve failure,
but without the goal, the mark, the target, there is no point trying.
And it is obvious Paul and Peter called themselves Holy as well as confessed, repented believers.
This is denied simply by some here, with such aggression it makes me wonder where there
foundations are actually based. Is it wrong to agree with Paul and Peter?
I think you meant unless it is freely given to us as a work of His faith that works in us to in both will and do His good pleasure. (imputed righteousness ) He is of one mind and always does whatsoever His soul pleases.It is God who does make our hearts soft. .
It takes his supernatural faith working in us for us to believe him and not that of our own imaginations of the heart as human dead faith .
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Not a dead faith coming from natural man offered towards Him .Dead men need spirit life before they can breath.
To be made or created Holy is simply to be set aside by God for certain purposes. God declared Mount Sinai as Holy but the dirt on that mountain was not any different then the dirt in the valley. And when that porpose was complete it no longer served the purpose. Just like the serpent on the brass pole . Some wanted to use it as if it had some residue power.
He ground it up into a powder and required they eat it. It came out as draught not entering the heart and soul.
I respectfully disagree. The entire bible is the gospel of Christ..
I can't argue with that, But Paul taught the Gospel without the "Entire" Bible, He only had the Law and Prophets to learn and teach from.
This is why Jesus said in His Parable:
Luke 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
Who is twisting? If you can not be honest. You need to look inside.
You judged and condemned people from admitting they still sin (they are no0t sinless) now either You are sinless. Or you judged and condemned yourself.
Which is it? Can you back what you say, or Ashe you just going to keep beating around thge bush, Either live up to what you judged, or say your sorry you were wrong.
PH said:
That's why we need to continue being saints through our continued trust in Christ,
Rom. 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Col. 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
1 Tim. 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
1 John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
Here are some verses that show PH made his statements, not from his own mind, but straight from the Word's of his Savior.
So his statement "That's why we need to continue being saints through our continued trust in Christ," is proven wise, accurate, and reflective of the teachings of Jesus and His Apostles from scripture.
But Your statement "The bolded is false and not found anywhere in scriptures" has, by the same Word of God, been proven false.
Will you apologize to him for your harsh and false judgments?
Amen, by the works of God that worked in Abel ,the plan (faith)of God made that which was planned... perfect.
Once again you purposely miss-represent my post. The word "Game" in the context I used it was as an Adjective.[TABLE="class: vk_tbl vk_gy"]
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adjective
adjective: game;
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eager and willing to do something new or challenging.
"they were game for anything after the traumas of Monday"
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[TD]brave, courageous, plucky, bold, daring, intrepid, valiant, stouthearted, mettlesome; Morefearless, dauntless, undaunted, unflinching;
informalgutsy, gutty, spunky, skookum
"they weren't game enough to join in"
willing, prepared, ready, disposed, of a mind;
eager, keen, enthusiastic, up for it
"I need a bit of help—are you game?"
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LOL, No scorn, but back to the land of ignore!! Very funny, I can't tell if you are serious or just teasing me
I TOLD YOU. PLEASE TAKE YOUR BLINDERS OFF. YOU HAVE BELIEVED SEVERAL HORRIBLE LIES ABOUT OSAS. YOU BECOME GUILTY OF BREAKING ALL OF GOD'S LAWS EVERY TIME YOU SIN, NO MATTER HOW SMALL YOU CONSIDER IT. OUR NAMES WERE WRITTEN IN THE LAMB'S BOOK OF LIFE BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH AND JUSTIFIED ON THE CROSS. WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR BEING RIGHTEOUS BEFORE GOD, CHRIST DID IT ALL. YOU ARE APPARENTLY CONFUSING THE SPIRITUAL RIGHTEOUSNESS, (WHICH IS INHERITED FROM CHRIST, WHO KEPT THE LAW PERFECTLY); BY FALSELY THINKING IT IS THE SAME AS SANCTIFICATION OF THE BODY. SANCTIFICATION OF THE BODY IS A LIFELONG STRUGGLE AND OUR BODIES WILL NOT BE PERFECTLY RID OF SIN, UNTIL AT THE RESURRECTION WHEN WE GET A GLORIFIED BODY, NOT BASED ON WHAT WE DID, BUT STILL BASED ON WHAT JESUS CHRIST DID ON THE CROSS.
"JESUS PAID IT ALL, ALL TO HIM I OWE"
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Finally, something we can agree on. We are sinner naturally. We are deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. Who can know the depth of our wickedness.
But God, in His Wisdom, created something for us to help us overcome this great wickedness. As Paul explains:
1 Tim. 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
Jesus said the same thing about His Father's Sabbath.
Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.
So since you know we are sinners, why on earth would you preach to ignore the very path God/Jesus created FOR US?