Biblical truth is Biblical truth, no matter who says it. It's like some seek to kill the messenger wanting to disarm the Word. The Word holds true no matter who says it or what said person does. If one of those mega preachers that steals money from the church says a Scriptual truth, it is still true.
Not By Works
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Here is a conversation of two OSAS folks who are proud self-proclaimed SINNERS.
It’s quite disturbing that these folks are not ashamed to call themselves BORN AGAIN BELIEVERS Who already POSSESS ETERNAL SALVATION that cannot be lost because of their genuine FAITH that ALONE SAVES while at the same time are very proud to promote sin by saying that believers are sinners but Once Saved are Always saved and that their sins in the past, present & future were already forgiven as if sinning for being a SINNER as they claim, have no bearing in their salvation (licensed to sin) contrary to what the scripture speaks of regarding sin and being born again.
;John 9:31 We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly man who does his will.
HOW CAN A BORN AGAIN BELIEVER STILL CALL HIMSELF A SINNER?
Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: WHILE WE WERE STILL SINNERS, Christ died for us.
Hebrews 10:14,18,26-29 because by one sacrifice he has made PERFECT forever those who are being made HOLY. And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin. IF WE DELIBERATELY KEEP ON SINNING after we have received the knowledge of the truth, NO SACRIFICE FOR SINS IS LEFT, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant THAT SANCTIFIED HIM, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
Romans 1:32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!
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NONE are so blind. Point it is NOT possible for any MORTAL MAN NOT TO BE GUILTY OF BREAKING ALL OF GOD'S LAW. The worst mass murderer on DEATH ROW is not is NOT a worse sinner than us. WE ARE AS BAD OF A SINNER AS HE IS.
Exactly..........a sinner is a sinner is a sinner........a white lie or murder....the blood of Christ covers both
It’s quite disturbing that these folks are not ashamed to call themselves BORN AGAIN BELIEVERS Who already POSSESS ETERNAL SALVATION that cannot be lost because of their genuine FAITH that ALONE SAVES while at the same time are very proud to promote sin by saying that believers are sinners but Once Saved are Always saved and that their sins in the past, present & future were already forgiven as if sinning for being a SINNER as they claim, have no bearing in their salvation (licensed to sin) contrary to what the scripture speaks of regarding sin and being born again.
;John 9:31 We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly man who does his will.
HOW CAN A BORN AGAIN BELIEVER STILL CALL HIMSELF A SINNER?
Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: WHILE WE WERE STILL SINNERS, Christ died for us.
Hebrews 10:14,18,26-29 because by one sacrifice he has made PERFECT forever those who are being made HOLY. And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin. IF WE DELIBERATELY KEEP ON SINNING after we have received the knowledge of the truth, NO SACRIFICE FOR SINS IS LEFT, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant THAT SANCTIFIED HIM, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
Romans 1:32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!
QUOTE:
NONE are so blind. Point it is NOT possible for any MORTAL MAN NOT TO BE GUILTY OF BREAKING ALL OF GOD'S LAW. The worst mass murderer on DEATH ROW is not is NOT a worse sinner than us. WE ARE AS BAD OF A SINNER AS HE IS.
Exactly..........a sinner is a sinner is a sinner........a white lie or murder....the blood of Christ covers both
Any bible student will know that you can't earn, pay for, or work for salvation.
It is a gift recieved by faith.
But faith can't be seperated from works.
REV 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works
It is a gift recieved by faith.
But faith can't be seperated from works.
REV 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works
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And yet the church destroys the person who's God is big enough to deliver them from besetting sin, and then calls that person a self righteous 'worker for' for saying God has done that for them. That makes me think that the church thinks God's grace is only for excusing sin, not for actually being able to overcome it as Titus 2:12-13 says God's grace was given to us to do. Right now in the church the noble and righteous thing to do is extol the virtues of God's grace of forgiveness than it is to actually be set free from besetting sin through God's grace.
What I understand is the church does not know for themselves how God's grace can set them free from the sin that is utterly sinful. The church excuses sin in the name of grace instead of overcomes it in the name of grace.
What I understand is the church does not know for themselves how God's grace can set them free from the sin that is utterly sinful. The church excuses sin in the name of grace instead of overcomes it in the name of grace.
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You understand perfectly you say......HAHAHHA now that is funny.....the begins, finishes and completes IS APPLIED UNTO FAITH genius!..........and your last line......takes the cake for the "I don't know what I am talking about award"
Justified by HIS BLOOD......past TENSE a ONE off APPLICATION with present continuing results based upon JESUS and his power....
I suggest you put down the cracker jack box theology and embrace the truth!
Justified by HIS BLOOD......past TENSE a ONE off APPLICATION with present continuing results based upon JESUS and his power....
I suggest you put down the cracker jack box theology and embrace the truth!
^^^^^^^ A fine example of a working for liar who deceptively posts and twists what is said in order to prove point that is not proven.
Funny thing.....how the workers for and sinless perfectionists use deception ALL the time to try and discredit all who believe in eternal security all while claiming that their works and sinless state is what saves them........
Funny thing.....how the workers for and sinless perfectionists use deception ALL the time to try and discredit all who believe in eternal security all while claiming that their works and sinless state is what saves them........
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Either thast or he admits he is sinless. Which means he just condemned himself also. I love how peo0ple Know they sin, but excuse their own sin while judging others. Let he who has no sin cast the first stone. Even the Pharisee dropped their stones and walked away, Yet these people continue to throw stones.
More falsehood from the I do not need Jesus worker for here....You know....the more you talk the more evident it is that you either do not, cannot or will not understand simple words......
Where SIN abounds, GRACE did much more ABOUND......<---this one verse destroys your deceit in the statement above......What we understand is that God's grace COVERS our SIN, BOUNDS ahead of our SIN and DEALS with our SIN when we SIN.....NO ONE is promoting a lifestyle of SIN.....YOUR lies and deceit is getting OLD.....ALL you working for SINLESS perfectionists that do not need JESUS because YOU keep yourselves saved HAVE continually twisted this truth to try and discredit ALL who believe in eternal security......YOIR deceit will not help keep you saved and proves you are not biblical.
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You don't have the finished work of Christ unless you take it....and hold fast to it. I know that chaffs against your Calvinist leanings, and that it's futile to talk to a Calvinist, but that is what the Bible teaches. This is posted for the benefit of those reading along, not for you. I believe that you are beyond reach.
I hear ya.......well.....off to harrow a 40 acre field for wheat to be planted.......be back later today....hold the lines before the workers for, sinless perfectionists and the I don't need Jesus people break thru.........
AMEN....JESUS begins, finishes and completes the good work of faith he began in us.....HE is faithful and will keep his promises..............
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
AMEN....JESUS begins, finishes and completes the good work of faith he began in us.....HE is faithful and will keep his promises..............
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.