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Absolutely, they will ignore or silence the messenger. And who is it that silences the messengers throughout the entire Bible?
Abel, a righteous servant of God, killed by his "Christian" brother who claimed to serve the same God.
Caleb, simple exhibiting Faith in the God of Abraham, nearly stoned to death by his "Brethren". Jeremiah hung in a septic tank by the only God of Abraham people on the planet he was sent to help.
Jesus, God's very own Son, murdered by the very Mainstream God of Abraham preaching people He was sent to save.
Stephen, killed by the Mainstream Church Leaders of His time. The only group of God of Abraham preaching people of his time.
This is all truth from your very own Bible. And Jesus understood and warned us about this very thing over and over.
Matt. 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
There is only one group of people on the planet that fit this description. There is only one group of people on the planet that "Comes in Jesus name, claims He is truly the Christ, and that is "Christianity".
Jesus didn't warn about atheists, Islam, Buddha, He warned about "Christians".
And this warning aligns perfectly with the history of man.
You are certainly free to ignore these Biblical facts, you can ignore and try and silence those who would expose this truth.
Or, you could have a civil conversation about what the Scripture and the warnings of Christ mean.
Given all these warnings about satan disguising itself into Christians and "Ministers of Righteousness" I personally think it not wise to place my Faith and doctrine on the foundation of "Dialogue with Trypho 110".
Your scorn is miss-placed TT. I welcome it of course, but might we both be better served in addressing the actual scriptures, all of them.
I'm game if you are.
Abel, a righteous servant of God, killed by his "Christian" brother who claimed to serve the same God.
Caleb, simple exhibiting Faith in the God of Abraham, nearly stoned to death by his "Brethren". Jeremiah hung in a septic tank by the only God of Abraham people on the planet he was sent to help.
Jesus, God's very own Son, murdered by the very Mainstream God of Abraham preaching people He was sent to save.
Stephen, killed by the Mainstream Church Leaders of His time. The only group of God of Abraham preaching people of his time.
This is all truth from your very own Bible. And Jesus understood and warned us about this very thing over and over.
Matt. 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
There is only one group of people on the planet that fit this description. There is only one group of people on the planet that "Comes in Jesus name, claims He is truly the Christ, and that is "Christianity".
Jesus didn't warn about atheists, Islam, Buddha, He warned about "Christians".
And this warning aligns perfectly with the history of man.
You are certainly free to ignore these Biblical facts, you can ignore and try and silence those who would expose this truth.
Or, you could have a civil conversation about what the Scripture and the warnings of Christ mean.
Given all these warnings about satan disguising itself into Christians and "Ministers of Righteousness" I personally think it not wise to place my Faith and doctrine on the foundation of "Dialogue with Trypho 110".
Your scorn is miss-placed TT. I welcome it of course, but might we both be better served in addressing the actual scriptures, all of them.
I'm game if you are.
AND yet Abraham was justified by FAITH.....not the law keeping!
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law
Romans 44 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
[SUP]17 [/SUP](As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
[SUP]24 [/SUP]But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law
Romans 44 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
[SUP]17 [/SUP](As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
[SUP]24 [/SUP]But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Matthew 10:22, “And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”
Matt 24:12-13, “And because of the increase in lawlessness, the love of many shall become cold. But he who shall have endured to the end shall be saved.”
Hebrews 10:36, “For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of Yah you may receive what is promised.”
Hebrews 3:14, “For we have become partakers of Messiah if we hold fast the beginning of our trust firm to the end.”
James 1:12, "Blessed is the man who does endure trial, for when he has been proved, he shall receive the crown of life which the Master has promised to those who love Him."
Matt 24:12-13, “And because of the increase in lawlessness, the love of many shall become cold. But he who shall have endured to the end shall be saved.”
Hebrews 10:36, “For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of Yah you may receive what is promised.”
Hebrews 3:14, “For we have become partakers of Messiah if we hold fast the beginning of our trust firm to the end.”
James 1:12, "Blessed is the man who does endure trial, for when he has been proved, he shall receive the crown of life which the Master has promised to those who love Him."
Two Points to show you how far OFF CENTER your theology is:
POINT #1. The SANHEDRIN were the ones in charge of Stephen's TRIAL. THEY WERE THE JEWISH SUPREME COURT. So your theory is either a total LIE, or a made up story by someone who does not know dittlely about who and what the Sanhedrin is.
Acts 6:8-15 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Stephen, full of grace and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Then some from what is called the Freedmen’s Synagogue, composed of both Cyrenians and Alexandrians, and some from Cilicia and Asia, came forward and disputed with Stephen.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] But they were unable to stand up against his wisdom and the Spirit by whom he was speaking.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Then they persuaded ⌊some⌋ men to say, “We heard him speaking blasphemous words against Moses and God!”
[SUP]12 [/SUP] They stirred up the people, the elders, and the scribes; so they came, dragged him off, and took him to the Sanhedrin.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] They also presented false witnesses who said, “This man does not stop speaking blasphemous words against this holy place and the law.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For we heard him say that Jesus, this Nazarene, will destroy this place and change the customs that Moses handed down to us.”
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And all who were sitting in the Sanhedrin looked intently at him and saw that his face was like the face of an angel.
Acts 7:1 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] “Is this true?” the high priest asked.
Acts 7:51-60 (HCSB)
[SUP]51 [/SUP] “You stiff-necked people with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You are always resisting the Holy Spirit; as your ancestors did, so do you.
[SUP]52 [/SUP] Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They even killed those who announced beforehand the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become.
[SUP]53 [/SUP] You received the law under the direction of angels and yet have not kept it.”
[SUP]54 [/SUP] When they heard these things, they were enraged in their hearts and gnashed their teeth at him.
[SUP]55 [/SUP] But Stephen, filled by the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven. He saw God’s glory, with Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and he said,
[SUP]56 [/SUP] “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”
[SUP]57 [/SUP] Then they screamed at the top of their voices, covered their ears, and together rushed against him.
[SUP]58 [/SUP] They threw him out of the city and began to stone him. And the witnesses laid their robes at the feet of a young man named Saul.
[SUP]59 [/SUP] They were stoning Stephen as he called out: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!”
[SUP]60 [/SUP] Then he knelt down and cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not charge them with this sin!” And saying this, he fell asleep.
POINT #2. The word CHURCH DID NOT EXIST AT THE TIME OF CHRIST. The word ekklêsiadid not take on the meaning "the Church" until some time in the 300's. THEREFORE, Jesus did not say: "I will build my Church" HE SAID:
Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;
CHURCH was a substitution for what JESUS REALLY SAID, only because by the 300's that was the POPULAR term an ASSEMBLY of CHRISTIANS were calling themselves.
THEREFORE at the time of CHRIST the term CHURCH DID NOT EXIST.
POINT #1. The SANHEDRIN were the ones in charge of Stephen's TRIAL. THEY WERE THE JEWISH SUPREME COURT. So your theory is either a total LIE, or a made up story by someone who does not know dittlely about who and what the Sanhedrin is.
Acts 6:8-15 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Stephen, full of grace and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Then some from what is called the Freedmen’s Synagogue, composed of both Cyrenians and Alexandrians, and some from Cilicia and Asia, came forward and disputed with Stephen.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] But they were unable to stand up against his wisdom and the Spirit by whom he was speaking.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Then they persuaded ⌊some⌋ men to say, “We heard him speaking blasphemous words against Moses and God!”
[SUP]12 [/SUP] They stirred up the people, the elders, and the scribes; so they came, dragged him off, and took him to the Sanhedrin.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] They also presented false witnesses who said, “This man does not stop speaking blasphemous words against this holy place and the law.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For we heard him say that Jesus, this Nazarene, will destroy this place and change the customs that Moses handed down to us.”
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And all who were sitting in the Sanhedrin looked intently at him and saw that his face was like the face of an angel.
Acts 7:1 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] “Is this true?” the high priest asked.
Acts 7:51-60 (HCSB)
[SUP]51 [/SUP] “You stiff-necked people with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You are always resisting the Holy Spirit; as your ancestors did, so do you.
[SUP]52 [/SUP] Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They even killed those who announced beforehand the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become.
[SUP]53 [/SUP] You received the law under the direction of angels and yet have not kept it.”
[SUP]54 [/SUP] When they heard these things, they were enraged in their hearts and gnashed their teeth at him.
[SUP]55 [/SUP] But Stephen, filled by the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven. He saw God’s glory, with Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and he said,
[SUP]56 [/SUP] “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”
[SUP]57 [/SUP] Then they screamed at the top of their voices, covered their ears, and together rushed against him.
[SUP]58 [/SUP] They threw him out of the city and began to stone him. And the witnesses laid their robes at the feet of a young man named Saul.
[SUP]59 [/SUP] They were stoning Stephen as he called out: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!”
[SUP]60 [/SUP] Then he knelt down and cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not charge them with this sin!” And saying this, he fell asleep.
POINT #2. The word CHURCH DID NOT EXIST AT THE TIME OF CHRIST. The word ekklêsiadid not take on the meaning "the Church" until some time in the 300's. THEREFORE, Jesus did not say: "I will build my Church" HE SAID:
Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;
Greek Strong's Number: 1577
Greek Word: ἐκκλησία
Transliteration: ekklēsia
Phonetic Pronunciation:
ek-klay-see'-ah
Root: from a compound of <G1537> and a derivative of <G2564>
Cross Reference: TDNT - 3:501,394
Part of Speech: n f
Vine's Words: Assembly, Congregation
Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.
Greek Word: ἐκκλησία
Transliteration: ekklēsia
Phonetic Pronunciation:
Root: from a compound of <G1537> and a derivative of <G2564>
Cross Reference: TDNT - 3:501,394
Part of Speech: n f
Vine's Words: Assembly, Congregation
Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.
CHURCH was a substitution for what JESUS REALLY SAID, only because by the 300's that was the POPULAR term an ASSEMBLY of CHRISTIANS were calling themselves.
THEREFORE at the time of CHRIST the term CHURCH DID NOT EXIST.
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James 2:10 (CSBBible)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the entire law, and yet stumbles at one point, is guilty of breaking it all.
1 Peter 2:13-15 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
THEREFORE THAT LITTLE INFRACTION,
MAKES YOU GUILTY OF BREAKING ALL OF GOD'S LAWS.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the entire law, and yet stumbles at one point, is guilty of breaking it all.
1 Peter 2:13-15 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
THEREFORE THAT LITTLE INFRACTION,
MAKES YOU GUILTY OF BREAKING ALL OF GOD'S LAWS.
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THEREFORE THAT LITTLE INFRACTION,
MAKES YOU GUILTY OF BREAKING ALL OF GOD'S LAWS.
And when they go 25 in the 25 mph zone it's them trying to save themselves, but when it's you going 25 in the 25 mph zone it's Christ doing it in you for you. Question: Why doesn't Christ do that in you all the time?
How does the grace of God make it so you can go over the speed limit but not for them?
Grace according to the spirit of the word the unseen is the licence for forgiveness. The letter of the law as it is written demands justice. His grace teaches us to say no to speeding or life will pass you by..
Its like the Simon and Garfunkel ...get in the grace groove, slow down you're moving too fast. Feeling groovy
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;Tit 2:11
Its like the Simon and Garfunkel ...get in the grace groove, slow down you're moving too fast. Feeling groovy
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;Tit 2:11
