Not By Works

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SovereignGrace said:
For the way they proclaim it, they even helped when they were naturally birthed.

Same concept of the physical and spirituall applies to both. We had no say in either birth.
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Wait. I had no say in my physical birth? Is that why the Dr. slapped me when he pulled me out? :D
 
loveme1 said:


Christ is the author of eternal salvation to all that obey Him.

Which affirms to everything in the Bible...



Ephesians 2

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved 6And hath raised usup together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in hiskindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them
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all who are saved do obey him

they are not saved because they obey him (except for obedience to the gospel, which is believe on the name of Jesus and you will be saved)

As Paul said to the Corinthian church, when he spoke of sins, and who people were and that hey would not enter,

he he told them, and such were som of you, but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified,

he never said they stiped thise sins, some still struggle with those sins, he said those sins were not who they were anymore, the were new creatures

 
loveme1 said:


Christ is the author of eternal salvation to all that obey Him.

Which affirms to everything in the Bible...



Ephesians 2

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved 6And hath raised usup together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in hiskindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them
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Author and Perfecter.... don't forget He's the Perfecter (Finsher) of faith, too.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
all who are saved do obey him

they are not saved because they obey him (except for obedience to the gospel, which is believe on the name of Jesus and you will be saved)

As Paul said to the Corinthian church, when he spoke of sins, and who people were and that hey would not enter,

he he told them, and such were som of you, but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified,

he never said they stiped thise sins, some still struggle with those sins, he said those sins were not who they were anymore, the were new creatures

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Saved by Grace through Faith unto good works..
 
PrynceNY said:
nah he probably did that outta annoyance :D
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Grace777x70 said:
A couple of people got spanked in the face because the Doctor couldn't tell the difference on what end to slap. The same thing happened to me too....:)
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The fact that you look the same coming or going probably could be used to your advantage on the pickleball court...
 
Stunnedbygrace said:
The fact that you look the same coming or going probably could be used to your advantage on the pickleball court...
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LOL...and it also might mean that one end acts like the other end sometimes...selah.

Actually I am going to play pickleball again in 2 hours. Great fun!
 
loveme1 said:
I have yet to meet a person that boasts his own good works saves him.. all condemned and are to Believe.
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I have, they State they can lose salvation. The s they are boasting of their works being better than other people works. They consistently judge others, the continue to talk about sin, and not God and his Great Salvation
 
SovereignGrace said:
Nope. This 'god' you're describing is foreign to the bible. When He said He'd never leave us or forsake us, He meant it. When Paul said NOTHING can separate us from the love of Christ, He meant it.

This losing salvation is foolish talk.

If we could lose it, we would. We are not that smart or strong to keep it by ourselves.

We are kept by the power of God, not power of self.
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yet its easy for you to say this, because like preacher4truth, you claim you are one of predestined elect

Please show us how love=salvation...Paul used the word Salvation about 4-5 times in Romans before and after Romans 8...I think you and others greatly err and have to twist love to make it mean salvation
 
eternally-gratefull said:
all who are saved do obey him

they are not saved because they obey him (except for obedience to the gospel, which is believe on the name of Jesus and you will be saved)

As Paul said to the Corinthian church, when he spoke of sins, and who people were and that hey would not enter,

he he told them, and such were som of you, but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified,

he never said they stiped thise sins, some still struggle with those sins, he said those sins were not who they were anymore, the were new creatures

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Here words can have two meanings.
Obedience here is not obedience just belief, so Jesus's meaning is lost, though the words
appear to agree.

This is why the conversations are on purpose miss-leading, and where agreement seems to
have been reached, it just has not happened.

Once you take a sentence, redefine it and then agree with it, I call this deception.

It is like a child saying to a parent, you told me not to climb that wall, but I know you
meant to accept you are my parent and climbing the wall did not matter, so I went and
did it, and it is ok.

Nope, that is rebellion and inventing an excuse to continue in rebellion while appearing
to still keep the relationship going, while undermining it and ignoring it all the while.
 
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