Not By Works

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NoNameMcgee

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He didn't get drunk ON the ark. It was later. :)

I have always thought that the real problem in the story was that the one son pointed his nakedness out instead of seeking to cover it...so the other sons seemed to be not wanting to embarrass him and the other son seemed to want to call everyone to look and laugh...
whoa

that didnt happen on the ark?

hahaha

welp thank you for pointing that out to me
x'D
 
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NoNameMcgee

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stunned

im trying to rep people so i can rep you again
 

loveme1

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on another note
he got drunk on the ark


i wonder why....

and how would he know WHAT his younger son did, also whatever was done how would he know THAT it was his younger son


did he figure if he was covered it was obviously his older sons that would do it?

and why would they do it?
well of the youngest decided to look


or was it something more sinister


i dunno...

many things about noah make me wonder

The drunken state was after they left the Ark... now some speculate there was more to the story but I personally care not to know..eyes covered... because it is not important but just one of those like you say moments of wonder we have about things from time to time.

We know the world is promoting sinister things as good and any who oppose are hateful beings that don't want love and peace for all mankind... which is not true.. but we know the end and peace and safety according to man is not happening...

Only GOD's peace is Everlasting and True.

Anyhow, you will see the rainbow movement growing around the world and I believe they want a Covenant of do as thou will... which is not on the horizon...

Which then makes me consider that much is about to come to pass.. and may we all be Spiritually ready Keeping watch.

As wise as serpents and as gentle as doves.
 
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Yes i I have free will and I have true faith in God, so I would never take it, knowing it would be worshiping a man who is a fraud and son is of Satan, so a mute question.
Hows it mute? There are pastors today preaching to people they can still be saved after receiving the mark, was seeing where the OSAS crowd falls under.
 

loveme1

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Hows it mute? There are pastors today preaching to people they can still be saved after receiving the mark, was seeing where the OSAS crowd falls under.

Well we we know who they minister for then.... thanks for sharing.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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The drunken state was after they left the Ark... now some speculate there was more to the story but I personally care not to know..eyes covered... because it is not important but just one of those like you say moments of wonder we have about things from time to time.

We know the world is promoting sinister things as good and any who oppose are hateful beings that don't want love and peace for all mankind... which is not true.. but we know the end and peace and safety according to man is not happening...

Only GOD's peace is Everlasting and True.

Anyhow, you will see the rainbow movement growing around the world and I believe they want a Covenant of do as thou will... which is not on the horizon...

Which then makes me consider that much is about to come to pass.. and may we all be Spiritually ready Keeping watch.

As wise as serpents and as gentle as doves.
you get a rep too

lol

its crazy how i never noticed this before

i just went back over it after stunned pointed that out to me

thank you ladies
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Hows it mute? There are pastors today preaching to people they can still be saved after receiving the mark, was seeing where the OSAS crowd falls under.
That would not mean they are true,

again, who after placing faith in the one true God, and after all the warning would take a mark?

Did h NT believers give up their faith to spare their lives? Why would they? Yeah had a better place to go,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Being born again is the act of being made alive in Christ, God calls this life eternal, not conditional,

eternal life is forever, otherwise, it is not eternal.
 

loveme1

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you get a rep too

lol

its crazy how i never noticed this before

i just went back over it after stunned pointed that out to me

thank you ladies
I had been reading through not so long ago and Noah became a husbandsman and drunk his own wine.. they were dwelling in tents..

Anyhow, all is well.

GOD Bless you.
 
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You just continue to fabricate your own definitions. Belief doesn't secure salvation, Christ did this. Faith is evidence of conversion, not the cause nor the sustainer, and it is God's gift, we believe by His power; Ephesians 1:19. Your efforts are to incessantly supplant Christ with man.



More fabrications. OSAS hase never taught that a person must __________ to maintain salvation. You're being dishonest.

And you're incorrect about h-grace saying you do not have to continue to believe, that error was brought in via Lewis Sperry Chafer, and Zane Hodges, popularized in Free Grace Theology well prior to hg. And they are both as wrong as you are - only a true convert will persevere in belief unto the end. You continue to misunderstand and misapply 1 Corinthians 15:1-2. You're stuck on that passage, like a cultist one-verse gotcha. To believe in vain is to not truly have believed:

Here is Gill on this, predecessor to Surgeon. Note, as being a proponent of osas, he doesn't believe the "traditional osas" lie that Phart is attempting to push on everyone. What Phart is saying then is untrue, unsubstantiated error:

unless ye have believed in vain: not that true faith can be in vain; for that is the faith of God's elect, the gift of his grace, the operation of his Spirit; Christ is the author and finisher of it, and will never suffer it to fail; it will certainly issue in everlasting salvation: but then as the word may be heard in vain, as it is by such who are compared to the wayside, and to the thorny and rocky ground; and as the Gospel of the grace of God may be received in vain; so a mere historical faith may be in vain; this a man may have, and not the grace of God, and so be nothing; with this he may believe for a while, and then drop it: and since each of these might possibly be the case of some in this church, the apostle puts in these exceptions, in order to awaken the attention of them all to this important doctrine he was reminding them of.

H. A. Ironside: (Phart will concentrate only on the last statement and take it out of context, like he does with Scripture)

Through this gospel the Corinthians had been saved-if their faith was genuine. If their faith was not real, Paul said, they had “believed in vain.” He was not intimating that some who had believed the gospel might be lost at last; rather he was saying that continuance in the faith was the evidence of the genuineness of their faith. This is important. Christ said, “He that endureth to the end shall be saved”

Pulpit Commentary: (read the entire thing, get yourself past the "If ye" part and get to the understanding part. Many know what Scripture says, but miss what it means, thus Phart's errors)

(4) by means of which they were now in a state of safety, they were of the class of sozomenoi (Act_2:47). If ye keep in memory what I preached unto you. The order, which is peculiar, is, "In what words I preached to you, if ye hold [it] fast." Possibly the "in what discourse" depends on "I make known to you." The duty of "holding fast" what they had heard is often impressed on the early converts (1Co_11:2; 2Co_6:10; 1Th_5:21; Heb_10:23). Ye have believed; rather, ye believed; i.e. ye became believers. In vain. The word may either mean "rashly," "without evidence," as in classical Greek; or "to no purpose," "without effect," as in Rom_13:4; Gal_3:4; Gal_4:11. In this case they would have received the seed in stony places (Mat_13:21).
Bumping this because PHart may have not seen this. Its on page 1675 if he wants to respond to it.

Man, those bags under their eyes are getting bigger every day. When you work hard, you wear yourself out.
 
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jesUs used the example of a sheep thus we can use it, and we can not even do pair these two!

jesus never used an example of a pill, and as I showed, the pill example does not fit what the word of God says,

So it would be wise to see it for what it is,

It's okay. You can't see it as a useful comparison. I can. No big deal.
I happen to be able to compare looking at a serpent raised on a pole as looking on Jesus, even though He's nothing like a serpent.
And I happen to be able to compare eat my flesh and drink my blood as to taking a pill.
No big deal. If a comparison is okay or useful to you, use it to help your understanding. If it isn't, discard it. :)
 

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Bumping this because PHart may have not seen this. Its on page 1675 if he wants to respond to it.

Man, those bags under their eyes are getting bigger every day. When you work hard, you wear yourself out.
...Someone just tried to bump the Not By Works thread?!

Welp, now I've seen everything, lol.
 

loveme1

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Being born again is the act of being made alive in Christ, God calls this life eternal, not conditional,

eternal life is forever, otherwise, it is not eternal.
Christ is the author of eternal salvation to all that obey Him.

Which affirms to everything in the Bible...



Ephesians 2

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved 6And hath raised usup together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in hiskindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them






 
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By the very wording Zi uses it causes the being born again into something a person does.
For the way they proclaim it, they even helped when they were naturally birthed.

Same concept of the physical and spiritual applies to both. We had no say in either birth.
 
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