The Rapture

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It should really be bothering you futurists how much your future fits the past when you have it properly explained.
 
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J7 said:
And yet Jesus spoke of the age to come, commonly called the Church Age


32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
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You are tending to jump around here and doing a bit of mix and match

The Greek has "the age to come" as mellonti - which means impending, i.e not far off.

So it would read "neither in this age (the old covenant age) or the one impending".

The church was born during the transition of the ages, that of the old covenant and that of the new - there is no end to the "new" age.
 
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Let me know if this is a decent translation of the Spanish:


Matt 13:40 De manera que como es cogida la cizaña, y quemada al fuego, así será en el fin de este siglo.

"In a way so as it is picked up the tares, and burned a fire, will be at the end of this century."
 
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Nah. If this all happened AD70, then there would be nothing causing offence left in the Kingdom.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;



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Still with the NoooKJV:

Matt 13:38 “The field is the world (Greek - kosmos), the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.

Matt 24:14 “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."


World = oikoumene

G3625 oikoumene oy-kou-men'-ay

feminine participle present passive of G3611 (as noun, by implication, of G1093);

land, i.e. the (terrene part of the) globe; specially, the Roman empire.

KJV: earth, world.

Paul stated the gospel had been preached in all the "world"

(Col 1:23 NKJV) if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.

And that the word had gone out to all the earth:

Rom 10:18 But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed: “Their sound has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world.

The conditions for the end of the "world" had been met during and through Paul's ministry.
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J7 said:
And yet Jesus spoke of the age to come, commonly called the Church Age


32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
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That would mean that Revelation 13:8 says the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world (church age).... not from the begining of time or eternity past or whatever people thinks that verse means lol. Nice J7!

Revelation 13:8 KJV
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
 
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How is this in Canuck?

stop being a jerk.
 
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KJV1611 said:
That would mean that Revelation 13:8 says the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world (church age).... not from the begining of time or eternity past or whatever people thinks that verse means lol. Nice J7!

Revelation 13:8 KJV
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
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No, because World here is Kosmos. In Matthew it is aion, meaning age.
 
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Nah. If this all happened AD70, then there would be nothing causing offence left in the Kingdom.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
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There is nothing in his kingdom that "offends" - if you are "offensive" it's a sure sign you ain't in it...:p
 
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How is this in Canuck?

stop being a jerk.
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I'm being serious - the Spanish bible has it "at the end of the century" - how do you explain this?

I think that's a pretty good version?
 
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No, because World here is Kosmos. In Matthew it is aion, meaning age.
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We are English speakers though lol. Kosmos and aion in a least one occasion in the bible were used in interchangeable ways. Anyway, it helped me understand it because Jesus was slain at the foundation of the new aion - world - church age.
 
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Another frustrated bible expert bites the dust...:cool:
 
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Locutus said:
There is nothing in his kingdom that "offends" - if you are "offensive" it's a sure sign you ain't in it...:p
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I'm in his kingdom and I can assure you that I offend people on a regular basis... all I have to do is say KJV and inerrant in the same sentence and people get offended lol.
 
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KJV1611 said:
We are English speakers though lol. Kosmos and aion in a least one occasion in the bible were used in interchangeable ways. Anyway, it helped me understand it because Jesus was slain at the foundation of the new aion - world - church age.
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Lol. I think God had planned the redemption of mankind from the very start...God being omniscient and all that
 
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Lol. I think God had planned the redemption of mankind from the very start...God being omniscient and all that
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I'm sure he did but the Lamb only had to be slain ONCE.
 
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No need for us to get frustrated, these are hard things to understand for sure. We do very well when we just agree to disagree.... PW's errors (I love you PW) have helped me to see many many things that I didn't see before. He's like unlocking scriptures that I never understood before.
 
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KJV1611 said:
I'm in his kingdom and I can assure you that I offend people on a regular basis... all I have to do is say KJV and inerrant in the same sentence and people get offended lol.
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So do I - but that doesn't mean I committed a bible offence.

The Greek for "offend" in the passage in question is skandalon

I used to be a bit of a likeable scandal years ago...:p
 
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Locutus said:
So do I - but that doesn't mean I committed a bible offence.

The Greek for "offend" in the passage in question is skandalon

I used to be a bit of a likeable scandal years ago...:p
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Trust me, you and me and all of us here still commit bible offences. This kingdom right now is NOT perfect because we are in it.
 
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So are you saying you are a worker of iniquity then?

Rev 22:15 and without are the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie.
 
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KJV1611 said:
No need for us to get frustrated, these are hard things to understand for sure. We do very well when we just agree to disagree.... PW's errors (I love you PW) have helped me to see many many things that I didn't see before. He's like unlocking scriptures that I never understood before.
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You've got to understand the "end of the world" is looked forward to by many. Refuting that is a major frustration for them.

John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world (Greek - kosmos).

 
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