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Synteleia aion, Mt 13:40, is the end of the World. (Christ's 2nd coming)
Telos aion is the end of the age (end of Old Covenant age)
Telos aion is the end of the age (end of Old Covenant age)
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Last 2 pages of this thread is solid ignore.
Indicating there is no posting of the rapture,heaven,Jesus.
Way off topic. Historicists have totally hijacked this thread.
Indicating there is no posting of the rapture,heaven,Jesus.
Way off topic. Historicists have totally hijacked this thread.
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heartofdavid
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What are you talking about?
They don't even believe in such things.
They,like you are here to teach doctrine.
Look at what you tell people" one day you will be like me"
Got a news flash for you. I've been in the word for nearly 40 years.
I am not fooled by those that bend verses to cram fit "it already happened man,the AC came and went,it's all over man".
How do you come to that conclusion? Aion is age - ye olde version of the English bible have used "world" in translating aion - but that doesn't mean it's right.
What does Matt 13:40 say in a Spanish bible?:
40 De manera que como es cogida la cizaña, y quemada al fuego, así será en el fin de este siglo.
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37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
This is clearly the end of the World. Note it occurs in the Kingdom of Christ (not earthly Israel) which then becomes the Kingdom of the Father.
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
This is clearly the end of the World. Note it occurs in the Kingdom of Christ (not earthly Israel) which then becomes the Kingdom of the Father.
Both happened at the same time. Actually, the words used are identical in each passage, Mt 13 and Heb 9.
4930 sunteleia, from 4931, entire completion, i.e. consummation (of a dispensation) - end.
Cognate: 4930 syntéleia (from 4862 /sýn, "close together with" and 5055 /teléō, "complete, consummate") – culmination (completion), i.e. when the parts come together into a whole ("consummation") – "an end involving many parts" (B. F. Westcott). See 4931 (synteléō).
4930 /syntéleia ("culminating end, finish") is not strictly "termination" but rather "consummation" (completion) that ushers in a new time-era/age (Mt 13:39,40,49,24:3, 28:20).
[The KJV is misleading by rendering 4930 (syntéleia) as "the end of the world" (i.e. when it occurs with aiōn, "age/epoch"). This expression actually means "at the "consummation of the age," i.e. when it reaches its intended climax (consummated conclusion).]
165 aion,
aión: a space of time, an age
Original Word: αἰών, ῶνος, ὁPart of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aión
Phonetic Spelling: (ahee-ohn')
Short Definition: an age, a cycle of time
Definition: an age, a cycle (of time), especially of the present age as contrasted with the future age, and of one of a series of ages stretching to infinity.
165 aiṓn (see also the cognate adjective, 166 /aiṓnios, "age-long") – properly, an age (era, "time-span"), characterized by a specific quality (type of existence).
Example: Christians today live in the newer age (165 /aiṓn) of the covenant – the time-period called the NT. It is characterized by Christ baptizing all believers in the Holy Spirit, i.e. engrafting all believers (OT, NT) into His mystical body (1 Cor 12:13) with all the marvelous privileges that go with that (Gal 3:23-25; 1 Pet 2:5,9).
Not my example above. I've concluded the age ended in 70 AD for all the reasons I've cited previously. The disciples were still looking for that blessed hope.
You are trying to draw a distinction when there is none. I'm not happy about it but Christ's presence returned (Second Coming). Maybe He'll be back. Maybe we have to wait until we die to see Him, which has been the case for 2,000 years.
Why do you always feign stupidity when you have no answer?
It is unbecoming of a clever person
It is unbecoming of a clever person
Do you mean these dart throwing machines that the Romans used in their siege? They called them scorpion batteries. They tormented the Jews in the city for 5 months with these things but they didn't do any real harm. They stung like heck if they hit you but killed few people.
You insist on looking in a mirror and then describing what you see. Your post describes YOUR THEOLOGY.
Your THEOLOGY is plum full of MALARKY!
LOOK HOW FAR YOU HAVE TO TWIST THE SCRIPTURES, and even BEND your imagination to make it FIT your MADE UP INTERPRETATION!
Revelation 9:6-11 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them.
{NEVER HAS HAPPENED YET, BUT IT WILL!}
[SUP]7 [/SUP] The shape of the locusts was like horses prepared for battle. {THESE ARE DEMONS} On their heads were crowns of something like gold, and their faces were like the faces of men.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] They had hair like women's hair,
{THE ROMAN SOLDIER WAS REQUIRED TO KEEP HIS HAIR MUCH SHORTER THAN A WOMAN'S}
FIRST CENTURY STATUE OF A ROMAN SOLDIER
and their teeth were like lions' teeth.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And they had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the sound of chariots with many horses running into battle.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] They had tails like scorpions, and there were stings in their tails. {THESE ARE DEMONS} Their power was to hurt men five months.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.
{AND THEY HAVE A DEMON COMMANDER.}
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And yet Jesus spoke of the age to come, commonly called the Church Age
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Still with the NoooKJV:
Matt 13:38 “The field is the world (Greek - kosmos), the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.
Matt 24:14 “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."
World = oikoumene
G3625 oikoumene oy-kou-men'-ay
feminine participle present passive of G3611 (as noun, by implication, of G1093);
land, i.e. the (terrene part of the) globe; specially, the Roman empire.
KJV: earth, world.
Paul stated the gospel had been preached in all the "world"
(Col 1:23 NKJV) if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.
And that the word had gone out to all the earth:
Rom 10:18 But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed: “Their sound has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world.
The conditions for the end of the "world" had been met during and through Paul's ministry.
Matt 13:38 “The field is the world (Greek - kosmos), the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.
Matt 24:14 “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."
World = oikoumene
G3625 oikoumene oy-kou-men'-ay
feminine participle present passive of G3611 (as noun, by implication, of G1093);
land, i.e. the (terrene part of the) globe; specially, the Roman empire.
KJV: earth, world.
Paul stated the gospel had been preached in all the "world"
(Col 1:23 NKJV) if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.
And that the word had gone out to all the earth:
Rom 10:18 But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed: “Their sound has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world.
The conditions for the end of the "world" had been met during and through Paul's ministry.
VCO,
I applaud your diligence to your false interpretations. I'll give you a big hug and kiss when I see you in heaven. God bless you!! But you have to learn how to read apocalyptic language my friend.
Locusts frequently are used in the OT to describe a swarming foreign army. But this one was Rome.
The shape of the locusts was like horses prepared for battle.
This is because they were horses, LOL.
and the sound of their wings was like the sound of chariots with many horses running into battle. [SUP]10 [/SUP]They had tails like scorpions, and there were stings in their tails.
They sounded like chariots because they were carts carrying the scorpion dart machine which they hauled backwards, making the firing end "in their tails" when towed. See?
The shape of the locusts was like horses prepared for battle. On their heads were crowns of something like gold, and their faces were like the faces of men. [SUP]8 [/SUP]They had hair like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth.
This might not be the exact picture but hopefully you get the idea.
Now this may be totally unfamiliar to you but anyone living back then would know exactly what John saw because they all saw it and knew it all too well.
Titus arrived and began the siege on Apr 10, 70 AD and the temple fell on Aug 30, 70 AD. A period of just under 5 months. Then it took a month to mop up the rest of the city. Capisce?
I applaud your diligence to your false interpretations. I'll give you a big hug and kiss when I see you in heaven. God bless you!! But you have to learn how to read apocalyptic language my friend.
Locusts frequently are used in the OT to describe a swarming foreign army. But this one was Rome.
The shape of the locusts was like horses prepared for battle.
This is because they were horses, LOL.
and the sound of their wings was like the sound of chariots with many horses running into battle. [SUP]10 [/SUP]They had tails like scorpions, and there were stings in their tails.
They sounded like chariots because they were carts carrying the scorpion dart machine which they hauled backwards, making the firing end "in their tails" when towed. See?
The shape of the locusts was like horses prepared for battle. On their heads were crowns of something like gold, and their faces were like the faces of men. [SUP]8 [/SUP]They had hair like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth.
This might not be the exact picture but hopefully you get the idea.
Now this may be totally unfamiliar to you but anyone living back then would know exactly what John saw because they all saw it and knew it all too well.
Titus arrived and began the siege on Apr 10, 70 AD and the temple fell on Aug 30, 70 AD. A period of just under 5 months. Then it took a month to mop up the rest of the city. Capisce?
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