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Sorry brother, I didn't ignore your answers, I just disagree about the interpretation of the passages.
I gave you reasons why I understand them the way I do, but you are not responding to my opinions as to why your reasoning cannot be correct.
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Zech 14
Why do the people of Jerusalem flee through the valley when Jesus comes to set up the mill kingdom? (Your time line) They should be running towards Him. v 4-5
How can they be taken away as slaves with Jesus there? v 2
What are living waters? v 8
If the Law of Moses is ended, How is it that people will be required to keep the feast of the tabernacles? v 19
I gave you reasons why I understand them the way I do, but you are not responding to my opinions as to why your reasoning cannot be correct.
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Zech 14
Why do the people of Jerusalem flee through the valley when Jesus comes to set up the mill kingdom? (Your time line) They should be running towards Him. v 4-5
How can they be taken away as slaves with Jesus there? v 2
What are living waters? v 8
If the Law of Moses is ended, How is it that people will be required to keep the feast of the tabernacles? v 19
Hello abcdef,
The simple answer is that it is not under man's control. Do you know why after the six day war that Moshe Dayan relinquished control of the temple mount to Islam? Because it was God's way of making sure that Israel did not build her temple before the appointed time. It is the One who is restraining, who after He is taken out of the way, then that man of lawlessness will be revealed, establishing that seven year agreement and allowing Israel to build her temple. Neither Satan nor mankind is not going to be able to stop anything that is according to God's plan.
The simple answer is that it is not under man's control. Do you know why after the six day war that Moshe Dayan relinquished control of the temple mount to Islam? Because it was God's way of making sure that Israel did not build her temple before the appointed time. It is the One who is restraining, who after He is taken out of the way, then that man of lawlessness will be revealed, establishing that seven year agreement and allowing Israel to build her temple. Neither Satan nor mankind is not going to be able to stop anything that is according to God's plan.
The antichrists (plural)as many, were already there when the new testament had its start. The time of the first century reformation had come therefore restoring the govemnent of God to a previous time period before there were Kings in Isreal .(the time of the Judges). This is somethng which it seems you must avoid....it had come signaled by the renting of the veil the awited glory the first ressurection .
The stones that remained intact were made to no effect when the veil was rent.... an indication Christ had come in the flesh for one outward demonstration of pouring out His Spirit as that not seen . Today the unbeliving Jew worship the stone called the wailing wall as idols in a hpoe that Chrsit would come in the flesh and destroy the gentile nations of the world.
The unbelieving Jew (no faith, the froward generation ) that you use as an example of the six day war has nothing to do with the faith that comes from hearing God. We walk by His work of faith and not after the flesh of a Jew that is no longer used as types and patterns in various parables.
The account spoken of in Dan 4 below was fulfilled in Mathews 21. God is no respecter of person…. purifying the heart of a Jew is acomplished by the same Spirit of fath according as it is written that he purifies the heart of any nation.
Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great. The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth: The leaves thereof were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all: the beasts of the field had shadow under it, and the fowls of the heaven dwelt in the boughs thereof, and all flesh was fed of it. I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven; He cried aloud, and said thus, “Hew down the tree, and cut off his branches, shake off his leaves, and scatter his fruit”: let the beasts get away from under it, and the fowls from his branches: Nevertheless leave the stump of his roots in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts in the grass of the earth: Dan 4
And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away. And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away! Matthew 21:19
The stones that remained intact were made to no effect when the veil was rent.... an indication Christ had come in the flesh for one outward demonstration of pouring out His Spirit as that not seen . Today the unbeliving Jew worship the stone called the wailing wall as idols in a hpoe that Chrsit would come in the flesh and destroy the gentile nations of the world.
The unbelieving Jew (no faith, the froward generation ) that you use as an example of the six day war has nothing to do with the faith that comes from hearing God. We walk by His work of faith and not after the flesh of a Jew that is no longer used as types and patterns in various parables.
The account spoken of in Dan 4 below was fulfilled in Mathews 21. God is no respecter of person…. purifying the heart of a Jew is acomplished by the same Spirit of fath according as it is written that he purifies the heart of any nation.
Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great. The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth: The leaves thereof were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all: the beasts of the field had shadow under it, and the fowls of the heaven dwelt in the boughs thereof, and all flesh was fed of it. I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven; He cried aloud, and said thus, “Hew down the tree, and cut off his branches, shake off his leaves, and scatter his fruit”: let the beasts get away from under it, and the fowls from his branches: Nevertheless leave the stump of his roots in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts in the grass of the earth: Dan 4
And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away. And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away! Matthew 21:19
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"And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but [the one] who now holds it back will continue to do so [till he] is taken out of the way. And then [the lawless one] will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming."
In the scripture above, the One who is holding back i.e. restraining the full power of sin and the man of sin so that he will not be revealed until his appointed time, is the Holy Spirit through the indwelling of the church. Once the Holy Spirit is taken out of the way and the church with Him, then that lawless one will be revealed, the antichrist.
In the scripture above, the One who is holding back i.e. restraining the full power of sin and the man of sin so that he will not be revealed until his appointed time, is the Holy Spirit through the indwelling of the church. Once the Holy Spirit is taken out of the way and the church with Him, then that lawless one will be revealed, the antichrist.
By the way, the abomination did not happen in 70 AD. The abomination was not fulfilled by Roman soldier standing in the temple as PW would have you believe. There was a pig slaughtered on the altar in I believe it was 216 BC or there about by Antiochus Epiphanes, but that was about 300 years prior to the destruction of the temple.
The setting up of the abomination spoken of in Dan.9:27 is a future event that will take place in the middle of that seven years. It is at this time also when that man of lawlessness/antichrist will stand in the temple proclaiming himself to be God or anything that is called God or worshiped (2 Thes.2:4)
The setting up of the abomination spoken of in Dan.9:27 is a future event that will take place in the middle of that seven years. It is at this time also when that man of lawlessness/antichrist will stand in the temple proclaiming himself to be God or anything that is called God or worshiped (2 Thes.2:4)
NO, the Third Temple is part of GOD's plans for the End Times.
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The spirit of Christ is in me and I am in Him, the Holy Spirit is in me and Teaching me and giving me understanding, and I was born again nearly 40 years ago. My FAITH is unshakable, so all of your fine sounding arguments and worldly wisdom is meaningless to me. I see no evidence that you were ever born again. Your spirit does not minister to my spirit, like those of other born again believers do.
When the Holy Spirit gives you understanding, all the worldly arguments anyone can present, holds even less water as this bucket.
Colossians 2:2-4 (NIV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] My purpose is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] I tell you this so that no one may deceive you by fine-sounding arguments.
1 Corinthians 2:9-16 (NIV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him"--
[SUP]10 [/SUP] but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.
Yes garee, the spirit of the antichrist has already been here. I am quite aware of that. But do not use that to confuse the fact there is coming a specific person as the antichrist (singular).
"And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works."
"But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur."
Though John speaks about types of antichrists already being in the world, he also makes clear that there will be an individual who will be thee antichrist.
"Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour."
In the scripture above, notice that John mentions "the antichrist is coming" and then he makes mention of many types of antichrist's already in the world. By the way, that "antichrist" that is coming, is in the singular. Therefore John mentions that specific man as the antichrist who is coming and that there are currently types of antichrists in the world.
I don't have to debate with you garee, just keep watching and you will continue to see everything unfold just as I and others have been proclaiming to you. And it will start with the Lord's appearing to gather the church, followed by the revealing of that man of lawlessness, the antichrist, who will make his seven year agreement with Israel allowing them to build their temple. Just keep watching!
You obviously don't read or comprehend well. I spoke of the six day war demonstrating that Moshe Dayan left the control of the temple mount in the hands of Islam so that Israel would not build her temple before the appointed time and has nothing to do with "faith that comes from hearing God." For I did not mention anything regarding this. It was specifically for the reason of way the control of the temple mount was given over to Islam.
All of the above that you wrote is just misapplied scripture.
You, PlainWord and others, have no idea what is about to take place on this planet!
"And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works."
"But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur."
Though John speaks about types of antichrists already being in the world, he also makes clear that there will be an individual who will be thee antichrist.
"Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour."
In the scripture above, notice that John mentions "the antichrist is coming" and then he makes mention of many types of antichrist's already in the world. By the way, that "antichrist" that is coming, is in the singular. Therefore John mentions that specific man as the antichrist who is coming and that there are currently types of antichrists in the world.
I don't have to debate with you garee, just keep watching and you will continue to see everything unfold just as I and others have been proclaiming to you. And it will start with the Lord's appearing to gather the church, followed by the revealing of that man of lawlessness, the antichrist, who will make his seven year agreement with Israel allowing them to build their temple. Just keep watching!
You obviously don't read or comprehend well. I spoke of the six day war demonstrating that Moshe Dayan left the control of the temple mount in the hands of Islam so that Israel would not build her temple before the appointed time and has nothing to do with "faith that comes from hearing God." For I did not mention anything regarding this. It was specifically for the reason of way the control of the temple mount was given over to Islam.
All of the above that you wrote is just misapplied scripture.
You, PlainWord and others, have no idea what is about to take place on this planet!
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[FONT="]Matthew 2421 [/FONT][FONT="]For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.[/FONT][FONT="]Revelation 713 [/FONT][FONT="]And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?[/FONT][FONT="]14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.[/FONT]
Fantastic video , thanks.
Rabbi Richman
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Just a few little clues for the unwary
Rabbi Richman
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Just a few little clues for the unwary
They are waiting for a Peace Covenant with the Palestinians and other Muslims, which will give them permission to build the Third Temple. For years and years they thought the Dome of the Rock was built partially on the location of the Second Temple, and many thought the Temple Mount was defiled as long as the Dome of the Rock was on the Temple Mount, but after surveying and drawing up the Temple blue prints, they are convinced that the Dome of the Rock sits ENTIRELY in the Court of the Gentiles. PLUS, over the past couple decades the Jewish leaders have been softening their position, and most are now of the opinion, "Who cares what building is in the Court of the Gentiles." Therefore there is now a majority that now are in favor of building the Third Temple even with the Dome of the Rock in the Court of the Gentiles; as long as it can be done without starting a major war. What they do not realize is that the multi-nation Dictator that will give them that permission, is the Antichrist himself, planning a betrayal, and then setting up his own throne in the Holy of Holies.
Daniel 9:27 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will make a firm covenant [Peace Treaty]with many for one week [of years], but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”
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Most of Revelation indeed dealt with the end of the Jewish nation. The God of the Jews divinely gave the words to a Jewish disciple telling him what was going to happen in their generation to the Jewish people. A warning to 7 churches that had no relevance to them (if events were to be thousands of years later) is no warning at all.
Six times in Revelation Jesus states that He is coming quickly. Are thousands of years considered "quickly?" The evidence is overwhelming that Christ returned in the Clouds ~ 70 AD to execute judgment wrath (vengeance) upon those wicked just as we are told in Luke 21 "For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled."
Keep in mind, that the process of His glorification was not completed until Christ ascended back to heaven following His resurrection. In other words, He appeared to His disciples as flesh and blood where they could touch Him and examine the wounds of the Cross. But after He returned to heaven and was seen by Paul on the road to Damascus He was revealed as a bright light. In Rev 1, John describes Christ as "and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength."
My contention therefore is that when Christ returned ~ 70 AD, He was seen as a bright light. Remember when Christ died, darkness fell over the earth for 3 hours. "Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land." From 3 PM to 6 PM, during normal broad day-light!! Why???? Because the presence (parousia) of Christ left. Josephus records that during the Feast of Passover, a bright light surrounded the temple and lit up the night sky so that it appeared to be day time. This lasted 1/2 hour and everyone saw it. Can you explain this?
Christ said He was coming back and some standing there would not taste death. He told the Sanhedrin, "I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven."
Six times in Revelation Jesus states that He is coming quickly. Are thousands of years considered "quickly?" The evidence is overwhelming that Christ returned in the Clouds ~ 70 AD to execute judgment wrath (vengeance) upon those wicked just as we are told in Luke 21 "For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled."
Keep in mind, that the process of His glorification was not completed until Christ ascended back to heaven following His resurrection. In other words, He appeared to His disciples as flesh and blood where they could touch Him and examine the wounds of the Cross. But after He returned to heaven and was seen by Paul on the road to Damascus He was revealed as a bright light. In Rev 1, John describes Christ as "and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength."
My contention therefore is that when Christ returned ~ 70 AD, He was seen as a bright light. Remember when Christ died, darkness fell over the earth for 3 hours. "Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land." From 3 PM to 6 PM, during normal broad day-light!! Why???? Because the presence (parousia) of Christ left. Josephus records that during the Feast of Passover, a bright light surrounded the temple and lit up the night sky so that it appeared to be day time. This lasted 1/2 hour and everyone saw it. Can you explain this?
Christ said He was coming back and some standing there would not taste death. He told the Sanhedrin, "I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven."
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Oh, I understand your position. I grew up in the same teachings. It wasn't easy as I really studied the Word to accept that most of what I was taught about eschatology was wrong. I am now a partial preterist and can back up everything I say not only with scripture but also with historical records. You, on the other hand, refuse to even read any historical accounts and are blinded by your lack of understanding. Said with utmost brotherly love, of course
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