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Sure there are women who don’t want to be political activists in any way but that doesn’t discount their feminism. As far as I’m concerned, you’re a feminist if you are a woman. That’s enough. Before you an American, Australian, a mother, sister or anything else, you’re a woman. It’s very important that feminism is not defined, that it’s allowed to grow and be organic. Feminism is a movement. It’s ongoing. It’s a social justice movement to end oppressive social systems.
It's a shortsighted and confused claim, the notion "I don't like what they believe but I do want what they've done" or just sad ignorance "we've got it all covered now, thanks, go kick up a fuss elsewhere, you're in the way of traditional values." So you can profess to believe in equality but it’s a separate matter if you actually do something to get yourself and others there, that's the truest test of all.
There were no references or names pointed specified previously to illustrate the op's point, apart from the one child china policy which was phased out officially in 2015 but, rather, generalizations and false anecdotes. I've found a few simple references that illustrate two of the issues that women face not only in the west exclusively but on American soil in particular, of which I have both lived and worked on, independent of this I have formal education in gender studies so a dismissal as a misunderstood international isn't warranted.
http://https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/10/global-gender-gap-2016-usa-saadia-zahidi/
Gender Inequality and Women in the US Labor Force
For U.S. Women, Inequality Takes Many Forms | HuffPost
There's so many fundamental challenges that feminism faces today. Primarily including economic, reproductive freedom and bodily autonomy and we have to resist being complacent about it. The ignorance in the op's thread and ongoing posts is a frightening illustration of this. Girls were and still are in many societies traditionally brought up to be domesticated and to strike out in power in a very harnessed way, there's only been limited progress in this. Liberation is on the way and we've only just begun.
It’s ironic how an audience can listen to a singer’s song and romanticize the song and the singer. The audience imagines that the singer must have been this type of person and have a particular set of values, as if they knew the celebrity personally.
Tammy Wynette had 5 husbands and multiple divorces during her short lifetime. To my knowledge, Hillary Clinton has only had 1 husband, and she’s still married to him.
Tammy Wynette: 5 Husbands - Much-married celebs - Pictures - CBS News
In many ways, Tammy’s life was very tragic. Some of her husbands were physically and mentally abusive to her. It’s even been suggested that she was sexually abused as a child because she was made to sleep in the same bed with her grandfather until she was 11 yrs old. Those who love her song Stand By Me often hold her up as some paragon of anti-feminism, yet they probably aren’t aware of her other hit songs: Divorce and Till I Can Make It On My Own ( a song about life after divorce).
Based on her biography ( 5 husbands), Tammy Wynette was probably more like the woman at the well (John 4:1-30) who desperately needed the living water that Jesus offered. I sure hope Tammy Wynette got that living water before she died at the middle age of 55.
Anthem to a life destroyed: Country singer Tammy Wynette's tragic life laid bare in new biography | Daily Mail Online
Tammy Wynette had 5 husbands and multiple divorces during her short lifetime. To my knowledge, Hillary Clinton has only had 1 husband, and she’s still married to him.
Tammy Wynette: 5 Husbands - Much-married celebs - Pictures - CBS News
In many ways, Tammy’s life was very tragic. Some of her husbands were physically and mentally abusive to her. It’s even been suggested that she was sexually abused as a child because she was made to sleep in the same bed with her grandfather until she was 11 yrs old. Those who love her song Stand By Me often hold her up as some paragon of anti-feminism, yet they probably aren’t aware of her other hit songs: Divorce and Till I Can Make It On My Own ( a song about life after divorce).
Based on her biography ( 5 husbands), Tammy Wynette was probably more like the woman at the well (John 4:1-30) who desperately needed the living water that Jesus offered. I sure hope Tammy Wynette got that living water before she died at the middle age of 55.
Anthem to a life destroyed: Country singer Tammy Wynette's tragic life laid bare in new biography | Daily Mail Online
Bollocks. Just because you are an object doesn't mean you have to ascribe to a political or social movement seeking to improve the lot of said object.
Ex) I'm a man, therefore I should be an MRA.
I'm not. Though I'm sympathetic to what they say about divorce law.
Ex) I'm white therefore I should be an Alt-Righter
I'm not. Though I think they are right in there interpretation of some socioeconomic factors.
Ex) I'm Jewish therefore I should be a Zionist
This could almost continue ad infinitum, People reject movements based on this rationale because they are often ineffective, over-reactive, exclusionary, evil, etc. They deliver something completely different than the promise, something worse than the promise, or the promise at too great a cost.
The hope that something will be expressed socially, not political is a hallmark of these ideologies. Particularly in the Modern Era.
Often they are stumped by the question of how. Communism was supposed to have an expression in every industrialist society. Spontaneously. But they were stumped by practical considerations.
How do you herd cats? It's why you have Leninists, Trotskyists, Stalinists, etc.
This is true of laudable enterprises as well. The Reformation had a broad goal (maybe speaking too broadly)- a Church with an authority structure and view of salvation closer to the authoritative attempt of God via his writers. We all know what happened there.
Leaders and how they seek to define and implement ideas are indispensable. You have them whether you like it or not. And those who think they don't are sometimes the most subservient.
This leaves no room for the virtues of proportionality. It's both possible and likely that going too far to stop one problem will start a few others. Or that the act of stopping the problem is outweighed by the cost of doing so.
Some social reforms are sufficient. Clearly one woman's "short-sighted" is another woman's prudent.
I'm not going to read these mostly because I do not have the time today. Alas.
What I can tell you is referenced above in my ideology list- it's possible to have a right set of data points and be utterly wrong as to what they mean and what one should do about them. If there is a political movement that coincides with the interpretation, one must be extra careful because members are incentivized to miss factors and cook the books.
Ex) Richard Spencer is right that the white demographic in the United States is getting smaller. He's right that areas for the very white midwest experienced economic decline.
But is he right about the nature of the problem? Is he right in his proposed solutions? Nope.
It seems you assume Galatea doesn't know the facts and figures. Maybe she does, but she doesn't arrive at the same conclusion.
Nope, feminism's biggest challenge is feminism itself. I do not know how Third Wave feminism is sold in other countries, but here it's an atrocious freak show, complete with parade floats displaying sexual organs, slut walks, 'healthy at any size' nonsense, the occasional Sharia advocate, a parade of pieces written by the clinically insane (see Everyday Feminism and this gem), "patriarchy" blaming that leads to man-hating, and absolutist ties to abortion and extreme political Leftism.
Galatea is a smart, savvy woman who is probably better read than you are. She probably would've been on board with feminism in an earlier time But this kind of talking-down to combined with the lunacy I just described is exactly what draws them away from feminism and makes them more likely to entertain traditionalist arguments.
It sets you back.
Again, any good and successful movement understands the importance of leaders, proportionality, and the state of political discourse. They know how to weed and prune their movement into being more attractive and better at what it does.
But if you want to live in a fantasy world of spontaneous revolution and burn a few heretics like Galy (my new nickname for her), then by all means.
Ex) I'm a man, therefore I should be an MRA.
I'm not. Though I'm sympathetic to what they say about divorce law.
Ex) I'm white therefore I should be an Alt-Righter
I'm not. Though I think they are right in there interpretation of some socioeconomic factors.
Ex) I'm Jewish therefore I should be a Zionist
This could almost continue ad infinitum, People reject movements based on this rationale because they are often ineffective, over-reactive, exclusionary, evil, etc. They deliver something completely different than the promise, something worse than the promise, or the promise at too great a cost.
The hope that something will be expressed socially, not political is a hallmark of these ideologies. Particularly in the Modern Era.
Often they are stumped by the question of how. Communism was supposed to have an expression in every industrialist society. Spontaneously. But they were stumped by practical considerations.
How do you herd cats? It's why you have Leninists, Trotskyists, Stalinists, etc.
This is true of laudable enterprises as well. The Reformation had a broad goal (maybe speaking too broadly)- a Church with an authority structure and view of salvation closer to the authoritative attempt of God via his writers. We all know what happened there.
Leaders and how they seek to define and implement ideas are indispensable. You have them whether you like it or not. And those who think they don't are sometimes the most subservient.
This leaves no room for the virtues of proportionality. It's both possible and likely that going too far to stop one problem will start a few others. Or that the act of stopping the problem is outweighed by the cost of doing so.
Some social reforms are sufficient. Clearly one woman's "short-sighted" is another woman's prudent.
I'm not going to read these mostly because I do not have the time today. Alas.
What I can tell you is referenced above in my ideology list- it's possible to have a right set of data points and be utterly wrong as to what they mean and what one should do about them. If there is a political movement that coincides with the interpretation, one must be extra careful because members are incentivized to miss factors and cook the books.
Ex) Richard Spencer is right that the white demographic in the United States is getting smaller. He's right that areas for the very white midwest experienced economic decline.
But is he right about the nature of the problem? Is he right in his proposed solutions? Nope.
It seems you assume Galatea doesn't know the facts and figures. Maybe she does, but she doesn't arrive at the same conclusion.
Nope, feminism's biggest challenge is feminism itself. I do not know how Third Wave feminism is sold in other countries, but here it's an atrocious freak show, complete with parade floats displaying sexual organs, slut walks, 'healthy at any size' nonsense, the occasional Sharia advocate, a parade of pieces written by the clinically insane (see Everyday Feminism and this gem), "patriarchy" blaming that leads to man-hating, and absolutist ties to abortion and extreme political Leftism.
Galatea is a smart, savvy woman who is probably better read than you are. She probably would've been on board with feminism in an earlier time But this kind of talking-down to combined with the lunacy I just described is exactly what draws them away from feminism and makes them more likely to entertain traditionalist arguments.
It sets you back.
Again, any good and successful movement understands the importance of leaders, proportionality, and the state of political discourse. They know how to weed and prune their movement into being more attractive and better at what it does.
But if you want to live in a fantasy world of spontaneous revolution and burn a few heretics like Galy (my new nickname for her), then by all means.
Nnnnope. Can't find it.
It could be because I was raised in a swamp and educated in a cave.
It could be because I was raised in a swamp and educated in a cave.
Well, hmmm, I thought it could be in settings. If you find it, paste it verbatim, and we could all discuss it like good old women (in the 1800s).
Otherwise, I should say the amount of ignorance reflects the kind of conditioning we should expect.
Back to regular anti-feminist spiel.
Otherwise, I should say the amount of ignorance reflects the kind of conditioning we should expect.
Back to regular anti-feminist spiel.
J
Women comes in so many different varieties that even Heinz would lose track of it. Whenever I'm reading what people are writing, it strikes me that women are considered being some uniformed group which is either feminists or not. I don't know any of the other women in this thread, and I can only be speaking for myself now.
There are times when I feel that people calling themselves feminists are attacking me rather viciously, not on here, but in real life, because I have chosen a lifestyle that is an abomination to some of the people referring to themselves as feminists. However, I don't believe real feminists are behaving like that.
I was a stay at home mom and a part time worker for years while the kids were younger. I'm doing all the domestic work in our home, organizing the day, looking after the kids, cooking, cleaning, you name it. I do it because I enjoy doing it. I'm cut out for work like that, even though some people would start moaning and telling me how stupid I am.
The ugly truth is that I couldn't bring home the amount of money he is to save my life. We would be miserable if the roles were switched. Yet there are people, high and mighty knows it all kinda folks, telling me what I'm doing aint no good, and that I should pursue a career and not be wasting my time at home.
Don't get me wrong, I've spent time on the career wagon myself, but I didn't like it, it was not a place where I felt like spending time. I like staying at home, caring for my family, and being the hostess when need be.
There are times when I feel that people calling themselves feminists are attacking me rather viciously, not on here, but in real life, because I have chosen a lifestyle that is an abomination to some of the people referring to themselves as feminists. However, I don't believe real feminists are behaving like that.
I was a stay at home mom and a part time worker for years while the kids were younger. I'm doing all the domestic work in our home, organizing the day, looking after the kids, cooking, cleaning, you name it. I do it because I enjoy doing it. I'm cut out for work like that, even though some people would start moaning and telling me how stupid I am.
The ugly truth is that I couldn't bring home the amount of money he is to save my life. We would be miserable if the roles were switched. Yet there are people, high and mighty knows it all kinda folks, telling me what I'm doing aint no good, and that I should pursue a career and not be wasting my time at home.
Don't get me wrong, I've spent time on the career wagon myself, but I didn't like it, it was not a place where I felt like spending time. I like staying at home, caring for my family, and being the hostess when need be.
Feminism was a good thing and all that, but all this "mansplaining" and "manspreading" nonsense has really ruined the name for them.
As if males sitting with their legs open is in any way oppression. Anyone with a basic knowledge of male anatomy should be able to understand why its more difficult for a male to sit with their legs closed.
Im all for equality, but I certainly dont want anyone to think that I subscribe to current day feminists beliefs and teachings.
As if males sitting with their legs open is in any way oppression. Anyone with a basic knowledge of male anatomy should be able to understand why its more difficult for a male to sit with their legs closed.
Im all for equality, but I certainly dont want anyone to think that I subscribe to current day feminists beliefs and teachings.
well, no. first and foremost, i'm a Christian.
everything else hangs on that. which is why it's just silly to blind ourselves to the needs of males across the world.
frankly, i'm not going to spent time fighting for rights women basically already have in my country when there are little boys and girls in Asia being sex-trafficked. while men in China are thrown in prison because they're believers. while there remains ANY sort of caste system in India, which i assume affects both men and women. i'm sure Rachel can tell us.
and frankly this is another reason i'm not fond of modern feminism... it further divides us, even in the body of Christ, rather than encouraging us to unite and be Jesus' hands and feet and voice close to home and around the world.
if we all spent as much time pursuing the work God has given us to do as we do bickering over which gender is most oppressed, perhaps oppression everywhere would be lessened.
it's tragic. so how about we do God first, and not be so selfish about our own gender?
everything else hangs on that. which is why it's just silly to blind ourselves to the needs of males across the world.
frankly, i'm not going to spent time fighting for rights women basically already have in my country when there are little boys and girls in Asia being sex-trafficked. while men in China are thrown in prison because they're believers. while there remains ANY sort of caste system in India, which i assume affects both men and women. i'm sure Rachel can tell us.
and frankly this is another reason i'm not fond of modern feminism... it further divides us, even in the body of Christ, rather than encouraging us to unite and be Jesus' hands and feet and voice close to home and around the world.
if we all spent as much time pursuing the work God has given us to do as we do bickering over which gender is most oppressed, perhaps oppression everywhere would be lessened.
it's tragic. so how about we do God first, and not be so selfish about our own gender?