Women should not be allowed to preach in church

[Meggido]

No one's ever suggested such a thing so the statement above is dishonest.

You simply make things up and this is why people don't want to engage your posts because they are based in dishonest comments, and of course, straw man arguments.

Hello Mr. Kettle meet Mr. Pot

 

[wolfwint]

Likewise not one of you have proved that only a man can be a pastor. Let me be real clear, where is the actual word PASTOR used at anywhere besides Ephesians 4 and how does this prove that only men can be pastors, or for that matter that men can only be 5 fold gifts to the body?

I must not proof, Bible and the churchhistory do it already! You have to proof that woman can be Pastor! And you cant, because it is a man made view not older then 150? Years!

 

[AllenW]

I must not proof, Bible and the churchhistory do it already! You have to proof that woman can be Pastor! And you cant, because it is a man made view not older then 150? Years!

You state you are 54 years old.
Therefore you need to read and interpret everything prior to that and prove that it is true.
Your rebuttal above is very weak.
Please try again.

 

[Meggido]

I must not proof, Bible and the churchhistory do it already! You have to proof that woman can be Pastor! And you cant, because it is a man made view not older then 150? Years!

The burden is on you sir.

 

[preacher4truth]

Hello Mr. Kettle meet Mr. Pot

Go show me a post, any post of mine where I've been dishonest. Or, have you taken up being dishonest as well as your constant hashing out your Biblical errors?

I'll wait for proof of your accusation.

I recall last time we asked you to verify your mistruths and accusations on MacArthur you disappeared and refused to give documentation because you simply made them up. They were and are untrue statements on a man of God, and that, my friend is what the Bible calls slandering others.

And now you're at it again? Go fetch some proof. Thanks.

 

[preacher4truth]

I must not proof, Bible and the churchhistory do it already! You have to proof that woman can be Pastor! And you cant, because it is a man made view not older then 150? Years!

The burden is on you sir.

wolfwint, IOW he has no proof. In fact Scripture shows he is in error.

 

[wolfwint]

Not all preachers are pastors.
This thread has been derailed.

Yes, you are right. Was I am the one who came up with the Pastor thing? Sorry!

 

[sevenseas]

No one's ever suggested such a thing so the statement above is dishonest.

You simply make things up and this is why people don't want to engage your posts because they are based in dishonest comments, and of course, straw man arguments.

well, silly you are engaging me right now

however, you have 1, 415 posts and I only have 923 yet we have the same number of rep points

and so as not to embarrass you, I won't point out the generous time difference in my favor

somebody sure is engaging me

you are just so transparent in your dislike of me

 

[wolfwint]

The burden is on
No man
And as AllenW says we should go back to the OP. There is another thread with the Pastor woman question

 

[sevenseas]

I am putting you back on ignore p4t because you are not an honest person

this is twice in 2 days you make a remark to me with no bearing on anything I actually stated, but with the intention to create a false impression to others of who I am and what I say

you know I do not care for your posting style and I do not respect how you interact so I think it best I ignore you completely

you have an agenda. you are a cessationist and not only that, quite hateful in how you address those who are not, those who have a better understanding of the Bible than you do

those 2 things alone are your motivation. oh, you can say it's love but I think if we were to take a poll? you would not be smelling like channel #5

so go to town and let 'er rip. just white noise

 

[stonesoffire]

When the fullness is manifested in our lives...we are in the place of neither male nor female...and any office we can step into as God chooses to use us.

The emphasis now is on the fullness.

 

[stonesoffire]

oh..and now the devil flings his arrows..

Oh well. they bounce off...

 

[ForthAngel]

well, silly you are engaging me right now

however, you have 1, 415 posts and I only have 923 yet we have the same number of rep points

and so as not to embarrass you, I won't point out the generous time difference in my favor

somebody sure is engaging me

you are just so transparent in your dislike of me

Did you really just use rep as a justification for what you say? LOL. Plenty of heretics and people pleasers around here too with high rep. Rep means nothing.

 

[sevenseas]

Did you really just use rep as a justification for what you say? LOL. Plenty of heretics and people pleasers around here too with high rep. Rep means nothing.

you are not that dumb

don't play p4t's hand

I thought you were your own man

the dude tried to say no one bothers with my posts so I offered physical evidence to show otherwise

I think you might need to get back to the op instead of playing the game of p4t which is to personally insult, twist and mock

one of him is enough for any forum

 

[wolfwint]

When the fullness is manifested in our lives...we are in the place of neither male nor female...and any office we can step into as God chooses to use us.

The emphasis now is on the fullness.

No Stonesoffire, till the fullness will be revealed will takes some time. Should we now just ignore what the scripture says? You can do so, but dont expect this from others.

 

[trofimus]

So, if a married woman become a leader of the local church and her husband is in the same church, who is the leader of whom?

 

[wolfwint]

According to 1Tim 2 v 12 , saying women should not be allowed to lead . why is the scripture saying this? but this days we have great women of God.Can we now say they are working against the scripture ?

Hi Titilope, you find no one mindet answers. What do you think now?

 

[preacher4truth]

Did you really just use rep as a justification for what you say? LOL. Plenty of heretics and people pleasers around here too with high rep. Rep means nothing.

It only shows the majority is wrong and believes false doctrine. I'm in no danger of having a higher rep, and if it were skyrocketing it would mean being on the wrong track.

 

[preacher4truth]

When the fullness is manifested in our lives...we are in the place of neither male nor female...and any office we can step into as God chooses to use us.

The emphasis now is on the fullness.

It is amazing how you render things from the text of Scripture that aren't there. More "biblical abracadabra."

I wonder if the WoF heretics play this song when they practice "preaching?"

[video=youtube;7QyoRzZrF00]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QyoRzZrF00[/video]

 

[Jimbone]

If Eve was deceived, (yes she was!) at least she was not blatantly disobedient like Adam.

In fact, Eve was not even created when God gave Adam the command in the garden, not to eat of the Tree of Good and Evil.

"The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it.16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden,17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for[e] him.”19 Now out of the ground the Lord God had formed[f] every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. And whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name.20 The man gave names to all livestock and to the birds of the heavens and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper fit for him. 21 So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh.22 And the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man." Gen. 2:14-22

Note, that God commanded the man in verse 17 to NOT to eat of the Tree, and Eve was not made until verse 22. There is your real order of creation. Man, totally responsible for communicating the command not to eat, and making sure that she understood how serious it was. But, not only did he not do his job, but he also went ahead and ate, in DIRECT disobedience to God's only command.

In fact, people love to blather on about this order of creation nonsense, but what does Paul actually say about sin entering the world?

"Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— 13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come." Romans 5:12-14

So, how did sin come into the world? Through ONE MAN! And his name was Adam! Now, I will concede Paul uses anthropos rather than aner, but it is pretty obvious his is talking about ONE, enos anthropou ἑνὸς ἀνθρώπου, and his name is Adam.

I just really annoys me how even women can say, "I believe the Bible" and yet they have never taken the time to read it, just listen to authoritarian complimentarian men twist Scriptures.

No, Adam, the man is the cause of the entire Fall, and thank goodness for Jesus, or what a mess we would be in, because of the man.

However, in light of Adam being the cause of the Fall, I will have to say men are not stable enough nor obedient enough to God to be preachers. My conclusion is that women do a better job of running things, and especially when you look at all the heretical preachers there are out there that are men, from John MacArthur and John Piper, to Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen and Joseph Prince, they are all preaching something wrong, somewhere.

Therefore, women need to be the ones preaching, and in "authority." And if that sounds dumb, well then just read all the stupid comments in this thread written by both men and women who have no knowledge of what the Bible really says at all.

"sin came into the world through one man" Romans 5:12 and his name was ADAM!

I rest my case!

To be honest, and this is no more than my own personal thought on the situation, but I think Adam was horrified when he learned Eve had been deceived. I see Adam eating too knowing full well what he was doing, but doing so because he couldn't live knowing she would die alone. I think it was more than likely out of love that he ate. He couldn't let her face it alone, and may well be why God didn't just wipe the slate clean when we fell, because Adam ate out of love for his other half. That's the way I like to look at it anyway, but admittedly it's 100% romantic conjecture on my part.