Women should not be allowed to preach in church
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Is that REALLY what those verses say? I think you will find it says something just a little different than what you feel you quoted.
Yeah, women shouldn't preach or be elders at a church, but they still have roles in the church, you'll find women can give their testimony of their lives to edify others, and you'll also find in the bible there have been women who were profetesses, so the way I see it they shouldn't teach doctrine or have positions of power but can still do other things.
If you go back to the beginning in the book of Acts when
the church was just beginning, you'll find several women
who preached the gospel and even to men. If a women
is as capable of teaching just as any man is, there is no
reason why they shouldn't preach. And in fact many
women do today. As to timothy I add this quote:
Both Jesus and Paul knew that rules and requirements
were just to get you seriously engaged with the need
for grace and mercy; they were never an end in themselves.
Learn and preach if you feel that is your calling
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the church was just beginning, you'll find several women
who preached the gospel and even to men. If a women
is as capable of teaching just as any man is, there is no
reason why they shouldn't preach. And in fact many
women do today. As to timothy I add this quote:
Both Jesus and Paul knew that rules and requirements
were just to get you seriously engaged with the need
for grace and mercy; they were never an end in themselves.
Learn and preach if you feel that is your calling
.
That's right. They shouldn't. Because men are created to be the leaders of the church. God created Adam first, then Eve. Eve was the first to be deceived by the serpent because she relied on her feelings and emotions. Women tend to be deceived easily than men. That's why they are to be submissive to their husbands and remain quiet in the church. Men are supposed to take the leadership roles within the church; pastors, elders, and teachers. That doesn't mean women can't teach. They can teach other women and children but not over men in a congregation, I believe. Read Titus 2:1-5.
To my understanding , it is not wrong for a woman to lead or teach the church .Although there have been controversy on it . This was written Paul to the church , knowing so well there ways and the customs in other to put them to check .He probably may not be speaking to all .Because when Jesus made the promises of his spirit He never said only to the male but to all that believes . so if we all accept n believe we can all be His witness , either male or female .
Deborah was a good example n Joyce Meyer is another , Can we say they are against the scripture ? No .Paul is not generalising that scripture , there is more to it.
Deborah was a good example n Joyce Meyer is another , Can we say they are against the scripture ? No .Paul is not generalising that scripture , there is more to it.
If TO PROPHESY means (in some cases) TO PREACH, then I would say that women can preach. In the first century there were no New Testament books and without doubt preachers had to rely on revelations from God on what to preach. When a preacher acts as God's spokesperson they are actually prophesying and this role can be played by women.
I agree with Marano that women cannot be elders, but I'm not so sure about preaching. My church is very conservative and yet they allow women to preach (very occasionally) provided no male believer is in condition to do that, and provided she has a revelation from God.
I agree with Marano that women cannot be elders, but I'm not so sure about preaching. My church is very conservative and yet they allow women to preach (very occasionally) provided no male believer is in condition to do that, and provided she has a revelation from God.
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Joyce Meyer is a horrible example. Yes, we can say Joyce is against scripture, and in more ways than just the biblical mandate about women preaching. She will fall under the judgment of the false teachers and all who throw in their lot with her unless she and they repent. She is not a good example to plead your case in regards to the OP.
Yes, Eve was deceived and Adam deliberately sinned, that makes him better.
Jesus chose Mary Magdalene to be the first to testify of the risen Lord.
Let us not forget that creation was good until woman
was created, and then God pronounced it very good
Jesus chose Mary Magdalene to be the first to testify of the risen Lord.
Let us not forget that creation was good until woman
was created, and then God pronounced it very good
Scripture doesn't get dismissed just because "this (these) days" and, as you also suggest; "we have great women of God." That said, not one of the women "preachers" heard today is a "great woman of God." They're mostly heretics fleecing the sheep.
Yes, Eve was deceived and Adam deliberately sinned, that makes him better.
Jesus chose Mary Magdalene to be the first to testify of the risen Lord.
Let us not forget that creation was good until woman
was created, and then God pronounced it very good
Nothing against woman, I am married with one!
There are clear scripture which say said woman should not teach and have authority about man, but less unclear scripture which say they can. I follow what is clear in später that the majority today says that it is ok that woman can teach and have authority about man. I believe that the Holy Spirit leads not again scripture. I suppose the OP meant talking about normal church ministrie and not about Mission situations where Woman served the Lord.
Nothing against woman, I am married with one!
There are clear scripture which say said woman should not teach and have authority about man, but less unclear scripture which say they can. I follow what is clear in später that the majority today says that it is ok that woman can teach and have authority about man. I believe that the Holy Spirit leads not again scripture. I suppose the OP meant talking about normal church ministrie and not about Mission situations where Woman served the Lord.
I meant not "in später" but "in spite"
For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. Love fulfils the law and the New Testament is not a book of laws, that's the problem with Christianity..what is written in the New Testament is the example of Jesus that is written for us to grow in the Spirit.Nothing against woman, I am married with one!
There are clear scripture which say said woman should not teach and have authority about man, but less unclear scripture which say they can. I follow what is clear in später that the majority today says that it is ok that woman can teach and have authority about man. I believe that the Holy Spirit leads not again scripture. I suppose the OP meant talking about normal church ministrie and not about Mission situations where Woman served the Lord.
We are free from the condemnation of the law, but not lawless. There are biblical mandates under the New Covenant for those who are in Christ. Antinomianism is addressed by Paul himself in Romans. We are to be obedient to Christ:
Romans 6
Slaves to Righteousness
15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.
20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Well we are responsible in Front of the Lord for what we teach and preach. You for yours and I for mine. So long I follow the word of God, what is his revealed will for us, I cant see anything wrong. And so long the Holy Spirit is telling me not that I am wrong.
Adam stood by and let Eve take the forbidden fruit. That's no different in today's standards than standing and watching someone commit a crime. It was up to Adams to stop it. He didn't. Why do you think God was calling out to him after they went into hiding?
It is a blessing to see a young woman, such as yourself, grounded in Scripture.
Judges 4:4
And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.
I guess someone didn't get the memo that women are not allowed to lead.
I'm not so sure he stood by and let her do this (as if he saw her and let her do it) which seems to be implied in the above. Does Scripture say he stood by in this fashion?
Different circumstances, different era, so that is apples and oranges and isn't a proof text that retros NT theology.
Please show us from divine revelation in NT church instruction that women are called as pastors/elders in the church.
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