Tongues???

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CS1

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we're called to distinguish between true and false.
so that we can determine with whom we ought to fellowship.
since the supernatural gifts ceased exactly as foretold, we can easily conclude the 5-fold ministry (etc) ppl are in error (I am being kind), and stop having any fellowship with them.
that is your opinion. The gifts of the Holy Spirit have not ceased. we are not called to distinguish between truth and false. The Holy Spirit leads us and guides us into ALL "truth" John 14, 16. We are to know the Truth. when one says I know it could be seen as " I know solely" and everyone else is in error. That is not very humble ( I'm being kind too). Biblical context with authorial intent. with the Spirit of God and studying. we are in the truth and the truth has made us free....
 

zone

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where in the word of God (scripture) did it say the gifts ceased. .
you know the passages. you reject them.

and people are still healed, heck people are still brought back from the dead.
do you have proof or once again must I take your word for it?
proof please that someone has been raised from the dead - NYT? People Magazine? Time?
 

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really? who are these ppl?

Matthew 7
22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’
yes and that is because relationship and love when using the gifts context . Jesus never all those who speak in tongues or Prophesy in His name did HE? No. He said many. So that means there will be those who have used these gifts and HE Jesus will say enter in ....
 

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that is your opinion. The gifts of the Holy Spirit have not ceased. we are not called to distinguish between truth and false. The Holy Spirit leads us and guides us into ALL "truth" John 14, 16. We are to know the Truth. when one says I know it could be seen as " I know solely" and everyone else is in error. That is not very humble ( I'm being kind too). Biblical context with authorial intent. with the Spirit of God and studying. we are in the truth and the truth has made us free....
if you were walking in the truth, the Spirit would be convicting you of the sin of taking the Lord's Name in vain (at the very least), as the Pentes do daily when they googoo gaga and attribute it to God
 

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if you were walking in the truth, the Spirit would be convicting you of the sin of taking the Lord's Name in vain (at the very least), as the Pentes do daily when they googoo gaga and attribute it to God
OOOH k

I can see this conversation has come to a close. Zone you have a nice day sir .
 

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really? who are these ppl?

Matthew 7
22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’
LOL those are the people who are Christians in name only with no relationship with him. that's the context of that verse, not hey if you do those things your going to hell... come on read your bible...
 

zone

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yes and that is because relationship and love when using the gifts context . Jesus never all those who speak in tongues or Prophesy in His name did HE? No. He said many. So that means there will be those who have used these gifts and HE Jesus will say enter in ....
nah....you can do gymnastics all day long, it won't make your practices anything like the biblical gifts.
they ended, and no one alive today experiences what the disciples experienced.
how dreadful to drag down their experience (power from on high) to match the pitiful displays of today
 

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nah....you can do gymnastics all day long, it won't make your practices anything like the biblical gifts.
they ended, and no one alive today experiences what the disciples experienced.
how dreadful to drag down their experience (power from on high) to match the pitiful displays of today
well ZONE you and I are done thank you for your opinion I have respect for it but I am done

thank you :)
 

zone

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LOL those are the people who are Christians in name only with no relationship with him. that's the context of that verse, not hey if you do those things your going to hell... come on read your bible...
that passage is very clear that there are people who actually did all those things:

Matthew 7
22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’

He doesn't say they didn't do those things, He said they did.
 

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lol yes bye bye :)
 

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I do believe that those who believe in the 'miraculous' gifts are sincere..however, I have to add.... sincerely wrong.
 

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I do believe that those who believe in the 'miraculous' gifts are sincere..however, I have to add.... sincerely wrong.
that too is your opinion and is respected enjoy
 

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you know the passages. you reject them.
try me, lets see what you got.... i think your full of hot air...


do you have proof or once again must I take your word for it?
proof please that someone has been raised from the dead - NYT? People Magazine? Time?
[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]i have mt own experiances as a EMT i have seen and heard from otheres in my proffesion of things, a little kid waking up after 45 mins of being dead, not life, no circulation of blood, no air.

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/02/04/inspiration-nation-mom-prays-son-back-to-life/22883985/
 

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that passage is very clear that there are people who actually did all those things:

Matthew 7
22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’

He doesn't say they didn't do those things, He said they did.
that's not why He rejected them, he rejected them for valuing a gift over the giver. not coming to know Him on a deep personal level....
 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azusa_Street_Revival

Matthew 24:24

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect
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[FONT=&quot]thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that."

8Anyone,then, who rejects this command does not reject man but God, the very One who gives you His Holy Spirit. [/FONT]
 

zone

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try me, lets see what you got.... i think your full of hot air...
1 Corinthians 13
8Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. 11When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.

13So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]i have mt own experiances as a EMT i have seen and heard from otheres in my proffesion of things, a little kid waking up after 45 mins of being dead, not life, no circulation of blood, no air.

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/02/04/inspiration-nation-mom-prays-son-back-to-life/22883985/
that's Providence, nothing to do with the supernatural gifts of the NT
 

zone

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that's not why He rejected them, he rejected them for valuing a gift over the giver. not coming to know Him on a deep personal level....
cough
where did you get that from?