THE RAPTURE

[Quasar92]

That is quite a long list of false prophets when it comes to eschatology. Many good men on that list. Those that have died I'm sure got an earful when they got to heaven about some of their teachings. As I said, most of the Bible experts in Christ day got a few things wrong too. This is what happens when you put man's agenda ahead of God's and man's words ahead of God's Words.

Yeah, I'm not happy to be in the minority when you look at this long list of esteemed men. But isn't that how God works? Didn't Paul predict this?

1 Corinthians 1:27

But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty.

1 Corinthians 3:18
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

I don't know why I am among the minority chosen to be shown the truth about the end times scenario. But I do know that I've been given a mission to speak out against this pre-trib rapture lie for the glory of the Kingdom.

The listings of esteemed theologians I posted in 993, have each forgotten more eschtology than you will ever know. You are the false prophet, while they are outstanding teachers of the Word of God in every walk of Christianity! The opinions you are so free with, are both meaningless as well as worthless.


Quasar92

 

[miknik5]

Dan 9:27 tells us that the "temple" will remain desolate until the wrath is poured out. This means there will be no third man-made temple. If there was, God would certainly not recognize it. This is why the Dome of the Rock has stood there for 1,400 years and survived the Crusades because God does not want there to be another Temple until Christ returns.

Is thr Dome of the rock another name for the the temple and the altar that the craftsmen will measure to distinguish between the inner and outer courts?


regerence revelation 11

 

[Ahwatukee]

HERE WILL BE TWO MORE TEMPLES BUILT IN ISRAEL

The tribulation temple:

Mat.24:15 and in Mk.13:14 - When you see the “abomination of desolation,” spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place…in Dan.8:27.

2 Thess. 2:4 - "...so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God"

Rev. 11:1 - "...Go and measure the temple of God and the alter..."

The Millennial temple:

Ezekiel 43:7 - "...this is the place of my throne...This is where I will live among the Israelites forever."

Zech. 6:12 - Here is the Man whose name is the Branch, and he will…build the temple of the Lord. Described in Ez.40-47.

At the present time there is no temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem,
the location of both the first and second Jewish Temples. Instead, two
Muslim shrines, The Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque, stand on
the Temple Mount. Meantime, the Jewish people to consider the Temple
Mount to be the most sacred place for Jews in all the world. No wonder
the Temple Mount is a political powder keg and must be part of any
formula for peace in the Middle East!

According to the Bible, a temple will once again stand on the Temple
Mount. How and when the Temple Mount will be available for a future
temple remains to be seen. Biblical prophecy “buffs” have proposed all
kinds of potential scenarios for how all of this could take
place—everything from earthquakes to explosives to the collapse of the
Temple Mount platform!

Some well-meaning Christians have felt that the biblical predictions of a
future Temple should be spiritualized, saying that these prophecies
refer to the Church or to the individual Christian. Indeed, 1
Corinthians 3:16 makes it quite clear that the Church, as the body of
Christ, is the spiritual temple of the Holy Spirit. And in 1 Corinthians
6:19 we are taught that the physical body of every individual believer
is to be honored and kept clean, because it is the temple of the Holy
Spirit. But these wonderful New Testament truths do not alter the
biblical predictions of a literal future Temple in Jerusalem.

The question of a future Temple gets more complicated when we realize
that the Bible teaches that two temples are yet to stand on the Temple
Mount in the future. First will come a Tribulation Temple, followed by a
Millennium Temple which will be built when the Lord returns and sets up
His kingdom on this earth. Let's look at the Scriptures dealing with
these two future temples.

Here: Israel's Third and Fourth Temples [TABLE="width: 90%"]
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[TD="colspan: 2"] ISRAEL'S FUTURE THIRD AND FOURTH TEMPLES - Temple Mount
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Here: Millennial Temple Model of Ezekiel's vision, Third 3rd temples, 40-48 Jesus Israeli Land Holy Portion Jewish Messiah Yahshua [No tribulation temple shown] [TABLE="width: 90%"]
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[TD="colspan: 2"] Millennial Temple Model of Ezekiel's vision, Third 3rd ...
sonstoglory.com
Chapter 7. The Millennial Temple "Describe the temple to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities; and let them measure the pattern.






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Quasar92

In the six day war, when Israel was victorious, Moshe Dyan relinquished control of the temple mound to Islam, which was God's doing so that Israel would not build the temple before the appointed time. It is not until that ruler, the antichrist is revealed and establishes his seven year covenant with Israel that he will make it possible for her to built her temple.

The fact that none of Dan.9:27 has been fulfilled and that all that is written in scripture must be fulfilled, guarantees that there will be a coming temple. God is going to pick up right where He left off with Israel in fulfillment of that last seven years in order to completed the seventy sevens that were decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem. Jesus IS NOT the "He" spoken of in Dan.9:27.

 

[PlainWord]

The listings of esteemed theologians I posted in 993, have each forgotten more eschtology than you will ever know. You are the false prophet, while they are outstanding teachers of the Word of God in every walk of Christianity! The opinions you are so free with, are both meaningless as well as worthless.


Quasar92

I'm so hurt and offended....NOT!!

 

[PlainWord]

2 Thess.2:1-8: The precise timing of the rapture of the Church:
"Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the Day of the Lord [The 70th and final Week/seven year tribulation of Dan.9:27] has already come." 2 Thes.2:1-2. Which is a direct reference to 1 Thes.4:17 and the theme of Paul's entire pre-trib rapture message in 2 Thes.2:1-8. When we will be CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. [Parenthetics mine].

The timing of this relative to the Great Tribulation is not directly stated but we can line it up with Dan 11. Dan 9 has been over for nearly 2,000 years. But you don't want to hear that.

THIS: 2 Thes 2: ...the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Ties to this. Same event!!

Dan 11:36 ...he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done...

With all your scholarly insight, do you dispute that these two passages describe the same event? You see, this event precedes Christ return. We know this because both Paul and Jesus tell us this.

You cite all these passages and none of them support your view. It's like you read, "The ball is blue" then tell us that it said, "the dog ate the cat." It's like basic reading comprehension went out the window if the "rapture" is involved. I've never seen anything like it. Paul says, "that DAY (Day Christ returns) will not come" until the Man of Sin is revealed. You say, "Christ returns before the Man of Sin is revealed. Mind blowing!!!

 

[PlainWord]

The tribulation temple:

Mat.24:15 and in Mk.13:14 - When you see the “abomination of desolation,” spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place…in Dan.8:27.

2 Thess. 2:4 - "...so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God"

Rev. 11:1 - "...Go and measure the temple of God and the alter..."

These three verses are completely unrelated. Dan 9:27 specifically tells us that the Temple will remain desolate until the wrath is poured out.

The Abomination of Desolation is set up in the "holy place," the "Sanctuary Fortress" which is wall that used to go around the temple complex. Today, only a small section of the original remains and it's called the "Wailing Wall." It's here that they pray.

The Man of Sin does not appear at the Wailing Wall, it says clearly that he will "Sit in the Temple of God" showing himself that he is God. Since there is no earthly "temple of God" where/what can this temple be?

1 Corinthians 3:16

Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

1 Corinthians 3:17

If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

2 Thessalonians 2:4
who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Paul authored all three of these passages. Therefore the meaning is consistent. Thus, out of a Christian church will come the Man of Sin. This man's father had a different religion or faith. The Man of Sin is filthy rich and not married. He leads a country to the North of Israel and is friends with Islamic nations and their leaders.

You see, I am about 90% sure that I know who the Man of Sin is. He fits everything we know about him. But, I'm not telling any of you haters on here.

 

[Quasar92]

You propagate the Great Pre-Tribulation Lie and I will rebut the lies you are attempting to spread throughout the Church anywhere and everywhere I see them.

Christ makes it clear, HE COMES AFTER the great tribulation and not before it. Paul makes it clear, "THAT DAY (day Christ returns) WILL NOT COME UNTIL..." Paul says to do not be deceived by any means. That any means includes YOU. The sad thing is you don't even realize you are doing it.

You will do no such thing as refute the eschatology I post directly and literally from the Bible, as I have been! You have an oversized ego trying to rebut the views of others with your allegorical spiritualizing of the Scriptures, propagated on the RCC by Augustine and Origen, church fathers, in the 4th century, deceiving people wih it to his day, which cannot be supported from the prophetic Scriptures! Capiche!


Quasar92

 

[Quasar92]

I'm so hurt and offended....NOT!!

he proof of your defensive attitude is observed in everything you post, consisting of allegorical fiction, you cannot support by Scripue without completely misinterpreting it!


Qiasar92

 

[Quasar92]

Is thr Dome of the rock another name for the the temple and the altar that the craftsmen will measure to distinguish between the inner and outer courts?


regerence revelation 11

By no means is the "Dome of the Rock" the Israeli temple. It is the Muslim temple of Islam. Israel has not ad a temple of God, since the destruction of their second temple in 70 .D., by the Roman Army, under general Titus.

See my post 999 for coming events on the temples in Jerusalem.


Quasar92

 

[Quasar92]

These three verses are completely unrelated. Dan 9:27 specifically tells us that the Temple will remain desolate until the wrath is poured out.

The Abomination of Desolation is set up in the "holy place," the "Sanctuary Fortress" which is wall that used to go around the temple complex. Today, only a small section of the original remains and it's called the "Wailing Wall." It's here that they pray.

The Man of Sin does not appear at the Wailing Wall, it says clearly that he will "Sit in the Temple of God" showing himself that he is God. Since there is no earthly "temple of God" where/what can this temple be?

1 Corinthians 3:16

Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

1 Corinthians 3:17

If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

2 Thessalonians 2:4
who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Paul authored all three of these passages. Therefore the meaning is consistent. Thus, out of a Christian church will come the Man of Sin. This man's father had a different religion or faith. The Man of Sin is filthy rich and not married. He leads a country to the North of Israel and is friends with Islamic nations and their leaders.

You see, I am about 90% sure that I know who the Man of Sin is. He fits everything we know about him. But, I'm not telling any of you haters on here.

Another allegorical fabrication of yours that comes straight out of la la land! All of the verses I posted previously pertain to the tribulation temple, yet to be built, which is referred to in: Dan.9:27; Mt.24:15; Mk.13:14; 2 Thess.2:4 and in Rev.11:1-2! A thorough review of the coming two temples that will be built in Jerusalem, according to the Scriptures is in my post 999! The Millennial temple will be built by Jesus, according to Zech.6:12-13, that is described in Ez.40-47! Reference here is to STONE buildings, not the Spiritual temple of God you have alluded to!

The Antichrist will not come out of the Church. According to Rev.17:8 and 11, he has been dead, in the Abyss, since Revelation was written, before the church ever existed!


Quasar92

 

[Quasar92]

The timing of this relative to the Great Tribulation is not directly stated but we can line it up with Dan 11. Dan 9 has been over for nearly 2,000 years. But you don't want to hear that.

THIS: 2 Thes 2: ...the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Ties to this. Same event!!

Dan 11:36 ...he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done...

With all your scholarly insight, do you dispute that these two passages describe the same event? You see, this event precedes Christ return. We know this because both Paul and Jesus tell us this.

You cite all these passages and none of them support your view. It's like you read, "The ball is blue" then tell us that it said, "the dog ate the cat." It's like basic reading comprehension went out the window if the "rapture" is involved. I've never seen anything like it. Paul says, "that DAY (Day Christ returns) will not come" until the Man of Sin is revealed. You say, "Christ returns before the Man of Sin is revealed. Mind blowing!!!

Your abrasive slander is more example of what kind of behavior you call Christianity! The following is the proper end times order of events, for your edification:

End Times Chronology and the Rapture of the Church

1. The very next prophetic event to take place will be the rapture of the Church, consisting of everyone who believes in Jesus Christ as Lord, regardless of denomination, or no denomination at all, as taught by both Jesus as well as the apostle Paul. In Jn.14:2-4, 28; 1 Thes.4:13-18; 2 Thes.2:1-8; Rev.3:10 and 4:1-2. All those who died in Christ, to all those who are still alive at His coming in the clouds of the sky, for His Church, where we will all meet Jesus, from where He will take us to our Father in heaven, as He promised us in Jn.14:2-4 and 28.

2. The rapture of the Christian Church of Jesus Christ preceeds the revealing of the man of lawlessness/beast/antichrist, according to 2 Thes.2:3-4 and 7-8. Which then immediately sets off the seven years of tribulation, as recorded in Mt.24:4-31, Jesus amplification of Dan.9:27. Where the person who is all three of the "he's" in that verse, and the rider of the white horse in Rev.6:2, is revealed. All of whom are the antichrist. It is at this stage of end times chronology the 70th Week of Dan.9:27 will begin.

3. The tribulation is revealed in Jer.30:4-7, referred to as "Jacob's Trouble," and in Dan.9:27, the 70th and final week of God's decree upon the destiny of Israel. In God's revelation to the prophet Daniel, through the angel Gabriel, the 70 "Weeks" [7 years each] of years He has decreed upon the entire destiny of Israel. From the end of their 70 year exile, through the coming seven year tribulation. The person who will set it of is the antichrist, the "he" who will establish a seven year covenant/agreement with them. Dan.9:27.

Jesus amplified and confirmed Daniel's 70th and final "Week," consisting of the abomination that causes desolation, in Mt.24:15 and 21, and in the counterparts of Mk.13 and in Lk.21.

4. The fig trees have sprouted leaves, we can see for ourselves and know that summer is near. Lk.21:29. Which began with the new nation of Israel, when it was reestablished on May 14, 1948.

5. The Christian Church of Jesus Christ is called up into heaven, symbolically illustrated by the apostle John in Rev.4:1-2, confirming 2 Thes.2:3 and 7-8. As prophecied in Jn.14:2-4, 28 and 1 Thes.4:16-17, while Israel and all non-believers will go through the seven year tribulation. The Church is seen again at their marriage of the Lamb [Jesus Christ] to His Bride [The Church] in heaven, recorded in Rev.19:7-9, while the tribulation is taking place on earth.

6. Jesus will return, seven ears later, with His Church, following Him on white horses, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, which stands for the righteous acts of the saints [Verse 8 NIV]. In His Second Coming to the earth, with His angels, in His armies from heaven, in Zech.14:4-5, Mt.24:31, Jude 14, and Rev.19:14.

7. Jesus will fight the battle of Armageddon, with His armies from heaven and end it, recorded in Rev.19:11-21. And save the remnant of Israel, who then recognize Him as their Messiah, recorded in Zech.12:10, and "all Israel will be saved," recorded in Rom.11:26...

8. The antichrist and the false prophet will be thrown into the lake of fire, and the armies of the ten horns [nations] are destroyed. Rev19:17-21. Jesus prophecy in Jn.10:16 will then be fulfilled, when there will be one fold [Israel and His Church] and one Shepherd. It is at this stage of end times chronology the 70 Weeks prophecy in Dan.9:27 will end.
9..Satan is caught and thrown into the Abyss for the same 1,000 years that Jesus will reign, in His kingdom here on the earth. Rev.20:6, confirming Mt.6:9-13; Zech.6:12-13, described in Ez.40-47; Acts 1:6; 2:29-30 and 15:16.

10. The first resurrection takes place which consists of all those brought to the Lord during the tribulation by the 144,000 Israelite evangelists. They will be martyred during the tribulation, by the two beasts, the antichrist, the false prophet and the ten horns [nations] allied to them. Those who are brought to Christ by the 144,000 Israelite evangelists, in the absence of the departed Church during the tribulation, do not belong to the Christian Church [who will be raptured before the seven year tribulation begins, as addressed above]. They will be made priests of God and of Christ, and rule with Him for 1,000 years, after their resurrection, according to Rev.20:4 and 6. They will be beheaded and pay with their lives for their testimony of Jesus, by the two beasts, the antichrist, the false prophet and the ten horns [nations] allied to them..

11. The Millennial Kingdom of Christ will consist of the one body of Christ, His Church, all those who survived the tribulation, besides the resurrected martyrs, and the remnant of Israel. In numbers alone, from an estimated original 7 billion people, there will only be 2.3 billion remaining , of those who had to go through the tribulation, recorded in Zech.13:8. Life expectancy will be greatly increased. Isa.65:20 and 11:6-9.

12. Jesus 1,000 year kingdom will begin at this point, according to Rev.20:6, here on the earth, on the throne of David, in the restored kingdom of Israel, confirming Acts 1:6; 2:29-30 and 15:16. At the same time the 1,000 years Satan will be in the Abyss, according to Rev.20:1-3. Jesus prophecy in Jn.10:16 will then be fulfilled, when there will be one fold, Israel and the Church, with one Shepherd. When Jesus Millennial kingdom has ended, 1,000 years later, at the Great White Throne judgment, recorded in Rev.20:11-15. Satan will be released and go out to deceive the people and nations again in his last rebellion against God and gather a huge army who come against God's people, surrounding Jerusalem. But God will send fire and sulfur down from heaven, as He did at Sodom and Gomorrah, destroying them all, and throwing Satan into the lake of fire, forever, in Rev.20:7-10.

13. The second resurrection takes place according to Rev.20:5, that consists of all those who will be saved during the Millennial reign of Jesus here on the earth, as well as the Godless and wicked, at the Great White Throne Judgment, set up to judge them, right here on earth. The sea, death and Hades all give up their dead and will then be thrown into the lake of fire. Meaning, that all who were in the 'temporal holding tanks' of Sheol, Hades and Hell will be removed to face judgment, along with death itself, disposed of forever. For all those who participate in the second resurrection, if their name is not found in the book of life, will be thrown into the lake of fire forever. Rev.20:11-15, and Dan.12:2 and Mt.25:46 will be fulfilled.

14. The old heaven and earth will pass away, recorded in Rev.21:1 [Destroyed by fire according to 2 Pet.3:7] and God will provide an all new heaven and earth, and the new eternal city of Jerusalem will descend from heaven, 1,500 miles long and as wide as it is long and as high as it is wide, Rev.21:1-16.
15. The rest of chapters 21 and 22 allude to a description of the coming eternal city and life of all believers who will be with the Lord forever.


Quasar 92

 

[miknik5]

By no means is the "Dome of the Rock" the Israeli temple. It is the Muslim temple of Islam. Israel has not ad a temple of God, since the destruction of their second temple in 70 .D., by the Roman Army, under general Titus.

See my post 999 for coming events on the temples in Jerusalem.


Quasar92

I just wanted to remind Plain Word that there indeed is a temple. Just as revelation 11 points out

 

[miknik5]

HERE WILL BE TWO MORE TEMPLES BUILT IN ISRAEL

The tribulation temple:

Mat.24:15 and in Mk.13:14 - When you see the “abomination of desolation,” spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place…in Dan.8:27.

2 Thess. 2:4 - "...so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God"

Rev. 11:1 - "...Go and measure the temple of God and the alter..."

The Millennial temple:

Ezekiel 43:7 - "...this is the place of my throne...This is where I will live among the Israelites forever."

Zech. 6:12 - Here is the Man whose name is the Branch, and he will…build the temple of the Lord. Described in Ez.40-47.

At the present time there is no temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem,
the location of both the first and second Jewish Temples. Instead, two
Muslim shrines, The Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque, stand on
the Temple Mount. Meantime, the Jewish people to consider the Temple
Mount to be the most sacred place for Jews in all the world. No wonder
the Temple Mount is a political powder keg and must be part of any
formula for peace in the Middle East!

According to the Bible, a temple will once again stand on the Temple
Mount. How and when the Temple Mount will be available for a future
temple remains to be seen. Biblical prophecy “buffs” have proposed all
kinds of potential scenarios for how all of this could take
place—everything from earthquakes to explosives to the collapse of the
Temple Mount platform!

Some well-meaning Christians have felt that the biblical predictions of a
future Temple should be spiritualized, saying that these prophecies
refer to the Church or to the individual Christian. Indeed, 1
Corinthians 3:16 makes it quite clear that the Church, as the body of
Christ, is the spiritual temple of the Holy Spirit. And in 1 Corinthians
6:19 we are taught that the physical body of every individual believer
is to be honored and kept clean, because it is the temple of the Holy
Spirit. But these wonderful New Testament truths do not alter the
biblical predictions of a literal future Temple in Jerusalem.

The question of a future Temple gets more complicated when we realize
that the Bible teaches that two temples are yet to stand on the Temple
Mount in the future. First will come a Tribulation Temple, followed by a
Millennium Temple which will be built when the Lord returns and sets up
His kingdom on this earth. Let's look at the Scriptures dealing with
these two future temples.

Here: Israel's Third and Fourth Temples [TABLE="width: 90%"]
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[TD="colspan: 2"] ISRAEL'S FUTURE THIRD AND FOURTH TEMPLES - Temple Mount
The Temple Mount in Jerusalem
ISRAEL'S FUTURE THIRD AND FOURTH TEMPLES. by Lambert Dolphin. The Old Testament devotes considerable attention to describing the portable tent, or tabernacle, of the ...[/TD]
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Here: Millennial Temple Model of Ezekiel's vision, Third 3rd temples, 40-48 Jesus Israeli Land Holy Portion Jewish Messiah Yahshua [No tribulation temple shown] [TABLE="width: 90%"]
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[TD="colspan: 2"] Millennial Temple Model of Ezekiel's vision, Third 3rd ...
sonstoglory.com
Chapter 7. The Millennial Temple "Describe the temple to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities; and let them measure the pattern.






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Quasar92

Oh I see you already referenced Revelation 11....

and much more


why do you think he keeps denying that an earthly temple will be rebuilt

 

[miknik5]

And yet Haggai 2 is denied
as well as the requirements which Ezra spent a considerable amount of time in ensuring


i spoke once to a jewush man and asked how one was going to be able to present credentials of a priestly line (not to mention that all the while still ignoring Haggai 2), he assured me that he has these required documents and is himself a Kohen and would therefore be required to offer up the sacrifices

 

[Quasar92]

I just wanted to remind Plain Word that there indeed is a temple. Just as revelation 11 points out

Indeed there will be. Though it has not yet been built. Later, Jesus will build the Millennial temple accroding to Zech.6:12-13.


Quasar92

 

[GaryA]

i see however how he refers to revelation 20:4-6 but leaves out revelation 20:7 forward

Next time you post any scripture, I want to see you post the entire Bible --- even though it will be painfully obvious that it is not necessary in order to make the point you are wanting to make...



( We are not discussing post-1000-years prophecy. Or, at least, I wasn't... )

SMH

 

[miknik5]

Next time you post any scripture, I want to see you post the entire Bible --- even though it will be painfully obvious that it is not necessary in order to make the point you are wanting to make...
y


( We are not discussing post-1000-years prophecy. Or, at least, I wasn't... )

SMH

What was the point I was wanting to make?

was it that there are those who will have a part in the first resurrection and that it won't be until after the 1000 years ends, after Satan is let loose once again to gather "kings of the earth" for the great battle that the rest of the dead (those who died outside faith in CHRIST) will rise to be judged

And whoever's name is not found in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire where the false prophet the beast and Satan had been cast jnto

 

[miknik5]

Or was it that the two witnesses haven't given their testimony of what they have seen in heaven yet

 

[PlainWord]

I just wanted to remind Plain Word that there indeed is a temple. Just as revelation 11 points out

Revelation 11 hardly contains a prediction that a third man-made temple will be built in Jerusalem prior to the return of Christ. It says none of that. There is no other passage which contains a clear prediction of a third temple being built either.

Rev 11 simply mentions "the temple of God," correct. But in what context? Do we know what year John was told to measure the temple? By the time John was taken to heaven, there was no temple on earth. The Book of Revelation is highly figurative. It is written like a big picture or image. It is more figurative than literal. Just look at exactly John was told to measure:

1. the temple of God
2. the Alter
3. those worshiping at the Alter

Do you measure people? The passage shows a comparison, "those worshiping" and "those outside in the courtyard, the Gentiles," right? In other words, those worshiping or "SAVED" and those "UNSAVED," those who "BELIEVE IN GOD" and those "WHO DON'T." This could be the point.

If John were to measure anytime from AD 70 to today, he would find no temple to measure and would find plenty of Gentiles (Muslims) treading the city. We are not given any of the measurements so maybe John wasn't able to measure? We have other passages in Revelation where John sees souls under the alter, in the Temple of God which is clearly in heaven. You see, there are plenty of alternative meanings.

Dan 9:27 makes clear that the temple will remain desolate (after Titus destroys it) until the wrath. Please avoid jumping to conclusions especially using Revelation to trump other clearer passages.

 

[PlainWord]

Another allegorical fabrication of yours that comes straight out of la la land! All of the verses I posted previously pertain to the tribulation temple, yet to be built, which is referred to in: Dan.9:27; Mt.24:15; Mk.13:14; 2 Thess.2:4 and in Rev.11:1-2! A thorough review of the coming two temples that will be built in Jerusalem, according to the Scriptures is in my post 999! The Millennial temple will be built by Jesus, according to Zech.6:12-13, that is described in Ez.40-47! Reference here is to STONE buildings, not the Spiritual temple of God you have alluded to!

The Antichrist will not come out of the Church. According to Rev.17:8 and 11, he has been dead, in the Abyss, since Revelation was written, before the church ever existed!


Quasar92

You sir are the KING OF LA LA LAND. Since you have ZERO ability to "rightly divide" (knowing when to see figurative and literal) you make tons of private interpretations. This is exactly what you do with your pre-trib doctrine. You have no precise teaching that says Christ returns before the GT so you rationalize it. In so doing, you fail to understand future events and what is really prophesied.

In my post #1006, I showed you three passages ALL FROM PAUL that contain the phrase "temple of God." Paul only uses the phrase "temple of God" a total of FOUR TIMES. The correct way to "rightly divide" is to allow the Bible to interpret itself and not interject your own world view. So, let's look at all four times Paul uses the phrase and see if it is a spiritual temple or a literal temple:

1 Corinthians 3:16

Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? SPIRITUAL

1 Corinthians 3:17

If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.
SPIRITUAL

2 Corinthians 6:16

And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people.” SPIRITUAL

2 Thessalonians 2:4

who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. UNKNOWN

So the first three passages Paul is clearly teaching that WE ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD. We have three witness or companion passages where Paul teaches this. When we come to the fourth, you want to throw away Paul's figurative teachings and literalize the fourth one. The default position, if you understood how to rightly divide, is that WE ARE NOW THE TEMPLE OF GOD so if you see the phrase again, you first apply this unless you have evidence that Paul has reverted back to a physical building which is a mistake because Paul has NEVER referred to "the temple of God" the phrase as a building.

Now let's look at John's teachings. How does John use "temple of God." In what context we need to ask ourselves.

Revelation 3:12

He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more... FIGURATIVE (we aren't a literal pillar in a building)

Revelation 11:19

Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. FIGURATIVE (but this temple of God is clearly in heaven which makes it spiritual because we are told later that there is no need for a temple when God is around because He and the Lamb are the Temple)

This brings us to the below. The other two times they are figurative.

Revelation 11:1

Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. UNKNOWN (literal would seem the likely answer if taken by itself)

This is where it gets tough. The verse is figurative because you don't measure people, you count them. It also seems figurative in that was John to actually take a measuring stick and measure the temple's height, length and thickness and report back the results? If so, we have no indication that he did this because no measurements were given. No measurements for the altar were given either and no measurements of the people there were reported.

Given the fact that in the passages where "TEMPLE OF GOD" is used as a phrase by both John and Paul in each instance where it is clear, they are used FIGURATIVELY, we should default to figurative. The two times it is not clear we have to decide if these authors wanted us to switch back to the literal meaning of temple or continue using the new figurative meaning that each taught.

We also have the teaching of Christ whereby He teaches that He will rebuild the Temple in 3 days. This is clearly FIGURATIVE. Would any writer of God's Word refer to a new man-made temple, "the TEMPLE OF GOD" after they killed His Son? Would God honor another temple built by hands?

As you point out, CHRIST builds a new temple. This temple is not built with human hands. You really struggle with the figurative. With all your Biblical education you still CANNOT get out of the physical and into the spiritual. You literalize everything even things which are clearly figurative.

You cite Zec 6 and are correct in that this is a future CHRIST "built" temple. But you see it as a building. You then cite Eze 40 and correctly see it as a future CHRIST "built" temple but again see it as a literal building. The language of Eze 40 is this:

[SUP]2 [/SUP]In the visions of God He took me into the land of Israel and set me on a very high mountain; on it toward the south was something like the structure of a city.

Ezekiel is taken in a SPIRITUAL state and he sees SOMETHING LIKE a city. Any time you see the words "SOMETHING LIKE" that is your trigger to know it is FIGURATIVE. Didn't they teach you that in Bible School??? You ignore John's teaching:

Revelation 21:22

But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

Paul teaches this:

2 Corinthians 5:1

For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

But you sir, mock me because I understand things that you do not. Your schooling is for naught (and all the big Christian names you cite) if you (and they) cannot grasp the deeper spiritual (figurative) meanings throughout the Bible. You remind me of Nicodemus.

THERE IS NO MORE PHYSICAL TEMPLE TO BE BUILT WITH BRICKS AND STONES