getting dates about a young earth

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The following Scripture is about the coming end of this present world:

Heb 12:25-29
25 See that ye refuse not Him That speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused Him That spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from Him That speaketh from heaven:


26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now He hath promised, saying, "Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven."


27 And this word, "Yet once more", signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.


28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
KJV

Verse 27 tells about the level... of shaking God is going to do on this earth in our near future, removing the things of man that can be shaken, so that those things which can't be shaken may remain. So that describes how powerful a destruction He is going to do upon this earth.

Verse 26 with "... I shake not the earth only, but also heaven," that future shaking is to include heaven shaking also.
But what is that "Yet once more" in that 26th verse? That's pointing to a another previous... time when God shook the earth.

That "Yet once more" verse 27 tells us that previous time also included a shaking of this earth to remove things made (man's works), but that one happened at sometime in the past history of the earth.

When... was that previous shaking of the earth by God to that same level that's also going to happen in our future?

Most will be led to say that previous shaking took place at the days of Noah with the flood. Then I ask, where's Scripture proof for that previous time of God shaking the earth in Noah's days?


And it's important to note per that above Hebrews Scripture, the level of shaking the earth that happened once before was the same level of the coming future shaking of the earth.

The first shaking took place at the cross and resurrection. The things that are not shaken are spiritual things. The material will be destroyed,,
 
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Science is only about discovery and every so many years they discover something new and change their assumed facts over and over. The bible is fact and a better study. So why do people waste their precious time digging bones.
 
Science is only about discovery and every so many years they discover something new and change their assumed facts over and over. The bible is fact and a better study. So why do people waste their precious time digging bones.

I'm all for science as a means of further understanding God's General Revelation.

General and Special Revelation must agree, if they are both true and from the Creator of the Universe.

To that end, we need people who are unbelievers and who are looking for only a naturalistic answer to the things that they discover. This way, we cannot say that theology clouded their worldview....and when their discoveries end up promoting Special Revelation, then we can be assured that it was done in an unbiased manner...
 
yes, its possible, after Adam saw all the animals with a mate and himself without one. However, IMO, I believe Adam had to name all the species of birds and land beast, an eagle is not an ostrich nor did an eagle come an ostrich. Also some species might have had derived from the same kind species (microevolution I think its called). A giraffe, elephant, rhino, alligator, hippo, buffalo, etc. etc . are all separate kinds and I don't came from the same gene pool.

It's still a lot of naming to do, and God told Adam to name them. Did Adam know right off the bat what to call them, or did he have to observe them? Did Adam have anything else to do besides naming them that day is another thing to consider. There are a lot of unanswered questions that simple can't be answered by scripture.

as I read the story, God and adam are looking among the animals to find a suitable helper for adam.

not finding any, God makes eve.
 
I smell a follower if islam...
Tell ya what cowboy, had a whole lot of response to your comment but cancelled it. Have noticed you seem to believe many on this site are not followers of Christ because of their beliefs or comments they make and tell them they are wrong, but you do not know them or myself. Only God knows their heart and mine, and you took an innocent response of mine and turned it into something you know nothing about. Do not accuse me of being something I am not...you are not God. How do you get "a follower of islam" out of that? Me thinks your sniffer is stopped up......
 
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The MT was probably the texts taken from the Temple. We know how carefully they were preserved. Jesus only acknowledged the books preserved in the MT (He may well only have known them).

The Jews of the time used pre-MT. The LXX varied widely. It was the product of typical Egyptian 'freedom', often a loose paraphrase. The Greek Christians use it for want of something better,
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are there any books in the mt that Jesus didn't acknowlege?


Luke has Jesus quoting the lxx.
did Luke consider the lxx an inferior work, and hope that something better would come along? if so, why not ask Paul to help him out with the original hebrew when writing his gospel account?



the best explanations I can think of are

Jesus actually read from the lxx.

Luke figured, "close enough", which says to me that putting lots of effort into learning the original hebrew probably isn't worth it.
 
Tell ya what cowboy, had a whole lot of response to your comment but cancelled it. Have noticed you seem to believe many on this site are not followers of Christ because of their beliefs or comments they make and tell them they are wrong, but you do not know them or myself. Only God knows their heart and mine, and you took an innocent response of mine and turned it into something you know nothing about. Do not accuse me of being something I am not...you are not God. How do you get "a follower of islam" out of that? Me thinks your sniffer is stopped up......

Don't bother, mate. He's the one who's always going on about the awesomeness of the Koran.
 
as I read the story, God and adam are looking among the animals to find a suitable helper for adam.

not finding any, God makes eve.


YEC's make Adam out to be superman.

How many things did he supposedly do in 24hrs?
 
The first shaking took place at the cross and resurrection. The things that are not shaken are spiritual things. The material will be destroyed,,

Not even close. That Heb.12 Scripture is about the shaking of this earth God is going to do on "the day of the Lord" when His consuming fire will burn all of man's works off this earth.
 
Tell ya what cowboy, had a whole lot of response to your comment but cancelled it. Have noticed you seem to believe many on this site are not followers of Christ because of their beliefs or comments they make and tell them they are wrong, but you do not know them or myself. Only God knows their heart and mine, and you took an innocent response of mine and turned it into something you know nothing about. Do not accuse me of being something I am not...you are not God. How do you get "a follower of islam" out of that? Me thinks your sniffer is stopped up......

Your statements just happen to follow those of muslims....i.e. God had to 'rest'....only God is 'good' - so how can Jesus be God, etc, etc...
 
Don't bother, mate. He's the one who's always going on about the awesomeness of the Koran.

The Koran is not awesome, as you state.

The Koran is merely a knock-off of the Holy Bible.

Once you are cognizant of this fact, then you can better deal with muslims.

As it is, you have fallen for the Islamic lie that the Koran is superior to the Holy Bible.
 
Hi Bowman
My only question would be then, if You and I both believe the bible, then why are You digging bones and I don't need to? Could it be you are helping the unbeliever to believe and I am not?
 
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Hi Bowman
My only question would be then, if You and I both believe the bible, then why are You digging bones and I don't need to? Could it be you are helping the unbeliever to believe and I am not?

I think we all contribute in our own ways....so, no issue with your methods, over mine...

I shifted my theological contribution, over the years, to now allowing the 'evidences' to speak for themselves, after witnessing, time and again, that they point back to the God of the Bible, anyway.

We've all heard that experience is the best teacher, and, for many these days, they simply will not believe in the Holy Bible until they try to refute its sayings, first.

So...I say, have at it to those people...!

And when they have put a life-time of denying, into their endeavors, and they dig up some nuggets for us believers to use...then that's a win-win scenario.....as they saved us the investigation time!
 
Brother, here's a brief but helpful article that I found regarding this very topic.

How could Adam have named all the animals in a single day? - creation.com


Pretty bogus, brother.

Your worldview of Adam, as superman, was created as a full-grown adult, already knew how to speak, named all animals on the planet, tilled the garden, and realized that he was lonely...all in 24hrs!

Little wonder that seekers are turning away from Christianity when they see this type of belief system.....for them, sci-fi is more believable than the YEC interpretation...
 
Your statements just happen to follow those of muslims....i.e. God had to 'rest'....only God is 'good' - so how can Jesus be God, etc, etc...
Where did I say God "had" to rest? I just quoted scripture. And when did I say "only God is good?" You might want to reread my post there fella. You have taken my post and done what you accuse others of doing with scripture...twisted it to fit your agenda (whatever that may be). Don't put words into my mouth. As stated in earlier post...you don't know me. God does. Thank you.
 
Where did I say God "had" to rest? I just quoted scripture. And when did I say "only God is good?" You might want to reread my post there fella. You have taken my post and done what you accuse others of doing with scripture...twisted it to fit your agenda (whatever that may be). Don't put words into my mouth. As stated in earlier post...you don't know me. God does. Thank you.

Your comments, and highlighting of scripture, are still the same as followers of islam...if you are not one, then great!
 
Jesus' miracles on earth where done to prove that He was the Christ and to draw people to Himself, not to demonstrate all of God's holy attributes.

Are you sure what people thought or lack there of about the earths age in Paul's day? Do you have any source(s)? BTW interesting point.

They probably didn't have atheistic universities spending billions over many decades to prop up evolution "theory", which "theory" didn't exist according to known record.

Now they are spending fortunes trying to explain how soft skin tissue and veins holding blood cells and elastic tissues in dinosaur fossils believed to be tens of millions of years old, are showing heavy evidence of age no more than a few thousand years.

All of their old age dating methods exist on the grace of circular reasoning as how to calibrate their methods. Assumptions that rock layers (strata) are currently accomplished very slowly gives them comfort to assume billions of years in the making, allowing for beliefs of very old ages. Fossils in those strata are aged according to those assumptions. Nevermind that recent volcanic eruptions in our time are being dated as millions of years past.
 
if the lxx is an inspired translation (as some christians believe),

and if the masoretic is not an inspired textual tradition,

then the greek of the lxx is the original language of the inspired version of the old testament.


Sorry Dan, this is just not right. The OT was originally written in Hebrew and Aramaic in a few places. When Alexander the Great came along, he decided to "Hellenized" the known world. That meant Greek language and culture took over. It also meant many of the Jews who were dispersed had lost their Hebrew language.

So one of the Ptolomies in Egypt got together a group of Jewish Scholars, supposedly 70, whch is why the Septuagint is named the way it is. They translated the Old Testament into Greek. There are stories about it being "inspired" but since there are a lot of differences between the Hebrew Text and the LXX, I would say not.

The Hebrew text was inspired for the OT. The Greek text was inspired for the NT. We only have copies of those. And there are many little changes, which don't affect theology, but it shows they are definitely are copies of copies.

As for the actual Masoretic text, it was the Masoretes that added the vowel pointing system to the OT, because it was being lost. The vowels are very important in determining the verb tenses and aspect, so that really was a God inspired idea, in my opinion. These vowel points were added somewhere in the 7th to 10th centuries.

I read Greek very well, but I have lost a lot of my Hebrew over the last couple of years. I am thinking about getting an LXX when I finish my Greek course I am taking. I will continue my studies of NT Greek, too.

It is good to have the LXX because a lot can be learned about the ancient Hebrew words by comparing the NT use of these words with the LXX. I did a couple of papers on word studies, and read quite a few more. One step in a word study of Hebrew is to compare it to the NT Greek word and the LXX.

But no, the LXX is not the inspired text of the OT. This fits in with the same nonsense as saying God inspired the KJV, rather than faithful men translated it, so England would have a Bible in their own language.