Tithe!

[Dan_473]

He pointed out that they tithe herbs but ignore God. Of course the Pharisees had to tithe to look good, whether having an agri business or not. Jesus even paid the temple tax, too.

Enough of this dodging the heart of the matter!

I see you won't touch Hebrews 7. Too bad.

Maybe this will ring a bell. I've been posting it for years, but none dare answer it if hating the concept of tithing, and detesting the supporting of a local congregation and all it takes to accommodate them.

This is the word of God through the apostle Paul to the Church:

1 Corinthians 9:3-14 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Mine answer to them that do examine me is this,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Have we not power to eat and to drink?
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
[SUP]12 [/SUP] If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

"Even so" means "no less". In like manner, nothing lacking between the two.

How did Israel, of which Paul was, support the mortal priesthood? By tithes and offerings. Even so, the Christian ministry ought not suffer lack due to less than the old manner of support.

Men that died received tithes and offerings of the people. Now Jesus, High Priest of the eternal order, receives tithes "in the spirit", by the hands of his ministers just like the mortal High Priest of the earthly priesthood (of Aaron). The high principle is not how Jesus does that from Heaven, but whether the Church supports or neglects it's ministers at the altar.

Thinking an uncertain "freewill" offering for maintenance of the Church ministry will be sufficient is folly. Offerings are "icing on the cake", not expected as far as how much at year's end. A solid accountable support base based on a system at least as reliable as the tithe bring honor to God. Want to give more than 10% of gain? Commit it to the pastor. In writing. Apply a little faith, be blessed.

What we are seeing now is an ever growing long line of beggars of money to pay their bills, all of them steadfastly refusing to commit a living for their church ministers they enjoy services of. They are the ones that have been self deceived to be happy over putting two dollars in the weekly collection bag. None admit tithing. They are against that, yet persistently in financial peril. All. They are the ones asking "Why" this is happening to them. Why is my home being repossessed"? Why have I been laid off due to two plant closings in 2015? Why, why, why.....

The Jews returning from Babylonian captivity asked such questions of Malachi 3. God allowed Israel to dribble the ball right past him, going off into slavery. Is America doing the same?

If you can't commit to support a local church, it's doubtful you have yielded to serve Jesus. Hate me for saying that, or thank me. Do that before the Lord.

I believe I did talk about Heb 7... maybe it's in a later post.

to me, the thrust of Heb 7 is that Jesus is a priest of a different order than levi or aaron. a higher order, since Melchizedek blesses Abraham. and levi pays tithes to Mel, showing that Mel's priesthood was of a higher order. imo...


about 1 Cor 9. I believe it is good to give money... just not in response to a possible mosaic rule of 10%. I do support local congregations, though I tend to see them as members of the single universal body of Christ.

 

[Grace777x70]

The Holy Spirit inside of us will show us what to do with resources. I used to tithe because my religious upbringing told me to. I for a few years now do not "tithe" as before. I follow my heart as Corinthians says and give. When I look back at my giving..some years it was 30% ..others less...it's never about the money.

Sometimes I had the Holy Spirit within me witness that I was not to give even though the "pressure" to give was enormous. I tell you..it took faith to NOT give in that case...lol

Sometimes people are manipulated into giving...especially using the "Malachi 3 Manipulation Method" in order to threaten people into giving into the offering.

It's should be never be about the money but about trust. Who do you trust.

Are you giving in faith?..people can give 10% in faith and that is fine.

Romans 14:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.


Let each person do as they have purposed in their heart. God loves a cheerful loving giver......because it is His nature coming out of us!

just some of my thoughts on the subject...

 

[Word_Swordsman]

imo, the issue was about ancient israel.

Hebrews 7 was written to the church during the first few decades of the Church using Israel for an example. The two were contrasted for a better understanding of both.

 

[Dan_473]

Hebrews 7 was written to the church during the first few decades of the Church using Israel for an example. The two were contrasted for a better understanding of both.

imo, if one clicks the "view post" button, imo one arrives here

It is a false teaching that none of ancient Israel had to tithe unless a farmer. All "gain" was subject to the tithe. A silver mine owner was to tithe. So was a miner employee to tithe. A rocking chair maker was to tithe. An ancient real estate merchant was to tithe. A merchant marine shipper was to tithe. None were excluded.

so, imo, this is an interesting issue... I haven't yet found support for it in the ot...

 

[fredoheaven]

All "gain" was subject to the tithe.

Amen. Proverbs3:9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thineincrease:[FONT=&quot][/FONT]

 

[mpaper345]

I do not see why the debate over tithes,or not,for there is no personal money for our self.

In the New Testament our money is for the kingdom of God,to supply our needs,and the needs of others to the best of our ability.

Some can pay more than others,but our money is only for the needs of people,and to further the kingdom of God.

There is no personal money for our self.

God said if any person loves the world,or the things in the world,the love of God is not in them,and if any person has this world's goods but do not help people who are in need,then the love of God is not in them.

The early Church sold all they had and gave to the poor as each person had need.

Some can pay 1 percent,some can pay 50 percent.

What do tithes mean when there is no personal money for our self to enjoy this world's things,and our wants,but only for the needs of our self,and others.

Are some people not liking tithes because then they cannot get the game console they wanted,or get that 4 wheeler they been dreaming about.

There is no personal money for our self,but money only goes for needs,and to further the kingdom,so what do tithes mean,and we should supply the needs of the preacher,and anything else that furthers God's kingdom.

People pay whatever they can pay,and there is no personal money for our self,for God loves people,more than us enjoying our wants,and the things of the world.

 

[Dan_473]

Amen. Proverbs3:9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thineincrease:[FONT="][/FONT]

ok, I can see that... though it may not be talking about tithing...

for a christian, I don't think it would just the firstfruits of the increase... imo it would be everything...

 

[Dan_473]

I do not see why the debate over tithes,or not,for there is no personal money for our self.

In the New Testament our money is for the kingdom of God,to supply our needs,and the needs of others to the best of our ability.

Some can pay more than others,but our money is only for the needs of people,and to further the kingdom of God.

There is no personal money for our self.

God said if any person loves the world,or the things in the world,the love of God is not in them,and if any person has this world's goods but do not help people who are in need,then the love of God is not in them.

The early Church sold all they had and gave to the poor as each person had need.

Some can pay 1 percent,some can pay 50 percent.

What do tithes mean when there is no personal money for our self to enjoy this world's things,and our wants,but only for the needs of our self,and others.

Are some people not liking tithes because then they cannot get the game console they wanted,or get that 4 wheeler they been dreaming about.

There is no personal money for our self,but money only goes for needs,and to further the kingdom,so what do tithes mean,and we should supply the needs of the preacher,and anything else that furthers God's kingdom.

People pay whatever they can pay,and there is no personal money for our self,for God loves people,more than us enjoying our wants,and the things of the world.

very true! to me, it looks like

ot 10%
nt 100%

 

[fredoheaven]

ok, I can see that... though it may not be talking about tithing...

for a christian, I don't think it would just the firstfruits of the increase... imo it would be everything...

Hi,

Here are scriptures for you:

Luke 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

1 Corinthians 4:2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful

Here’s more about grace giving

2 Corinthians
Chapter 8
1Moreover, brethren, we do you to wit of the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia;
2How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.
3For to their power, I bear record, yea, and beyond theirpower they were willing of themselves;
4Praying us with much intreaty that we would receive the gift, and take upon us the fellowship of the ministering to the saints.
5And this they did, not as we hoped, but first gave their own selves to the Lord, and unto us by the will of God.
6Insomuch that we desired Titus, that as he had begun, so he would also finish in you the same grace also.
7Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also.
8I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.
9For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
10And herein I give my advice: for this is expedient for you, who have begun before, not only to do, but also to be forward a year ago.
11Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness to will, so there may be a performance also out of that which ye have.
12For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.
13For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened:
14But by an equality, that now at this time your abundancemay be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality:
15As it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.
16But thanks be to God, which put the same earnest care into the heart of Titus for you.
17For indeed he accepted the exhortation; but being more forward, of his own accord he went unto you.
18And we have sent with him the brother, whose praise is in the gospel throughout all the churches;
19And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:
20Avoiding this, that no man should blame us in this abundance which is administered by us:
21Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord, but also in the sight of men.
22And we have sent with them our brother, whom we have oftentimes proved diligent in many things, but now much more diligent, upon the great confidence which I have in you.
23Whether any do enquire of Titus, he is my partner and fellowhelper concerning you: or our brethren be enquired of, they are the messengers of the churches, and the glory of Christ.
24Wherefore shew ye to them, and before the churches, the proof of your love, and of our boasting on your behalf.

God bless!

 

[Yet]

Luke 6 is talking about mercy and care for others. Could be money here and there but the jist is showing forgiveness.

With same measure you use, it will be used with you. But here's the deal. Don't look to man to do unto you as you would do unto them. Your reward will be from heaven. God will not let you down, man however will. Let this mind be in you and He'll reward His own with good measure. I report. You Decide!

 

[Dan_473]

Hi,

Here are scriptures for you:

Luke 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

1 Corinthians 4:2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful

Here’s more about grace giving

2 Corinthians
Chapter 8
1Moreover, brethren, we do you to wit of the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia;
2How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.
3For to their power, I bear record, yea, and beyond theirpower they were willing of themselves;
4Praying us with much intreaty that we would receive the gift, and take upon us the fellowship of the ministering to the saints.
5And this they did, not as we hoped, but first gave their own selves to the Lord, and unto us by the will of God.
6Insomuch that we desired Titus, that as he had begun, so he would also finish in you the same grace also.
7Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also.
8I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.
9For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
10And herein I give my advice: for this is expedient for you, who have begun before, not only to do, but also to be forward a year ago.
11Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness to will, so there may be a performance also out of that which ye have.
12For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.
13For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened:
14But by an equality, that now at this time your abundancemay be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality:
15As it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.
16But thanks be to God, which put the same earnest care into the heart of Titus for you.
17For indeed he accepted the exhortation; but being more forward, of his own accord he went unto you.
18And we have sent with him the brother, whose praise is in the gospel throughout all the churches;
19And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:
20Avoiding this, that no man should blame us in this abundance which is administered by us:
21Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord, but also in the sight of men.
22And we have sent with them our brother, whom we have oftentimes proved diligent in many things, but now much more diligent, upon the great confidence which I have in you.
23Whether any do enquire of Titus, he is my partner and fellowhelper concerning you: or our brethren be enquired of, they are the messengers of the churches, and the glory of Christ.
24Wherefore shew ye to them, and before the churches, the proof of your love, and of our boasting on your behalf.

God bless!

good scriptures!

and don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of giving.

I think there's a scripture that goes something like, "you have been bought with a price, you are not your own."

since 100% of a christian already belongs to God, imo the idea is that we grow in following God's direction of where to channel it... since it all belongs to him already...

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

Hi guys! Am anew member, Ihave aquestion please just help! Iam born and believe in Tithing and It's apractice Ifollow, Iwas attending acertain meeting in another church where the preacher was talking about giving and he said, a) Jesus never talked about Tithe but Jesus taught about sacrificial giving! b) The apostles never taught about Tithing but they taught early belivers to give towards the extension of the gospel and also to the needy in Jerusalem! c) he said Tithe is alegalistic way of giving and the Apostles in Acts 15:22-30! Please help me know, could Ihave practised this in vain!

Of all the sermons I've heard on tithing, I don't recall ever hearing about the 3 tithes that were paid in the O.T. by certain Israelites.

What three? Levitical, Festival, and Poor tithe.

If tithing is required, there are 3, not just one.

I was pleasantly surprised to read, in one of my NIV translations, a text note on Lev 27:30 admitting that there were 3 tithes required of certain Israelites in O.T. times.

Our rule for giving is to listen and seek God's direction...

Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. -2 Cor 9:7

 

[fredoheaven]

Philippians 4: 15 Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.
Philippians 4:16 For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity.
17Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account.
18But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God.
19But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

 

[roaringkitten]

Amen. Proverbs3:9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thineincrease:

But we know that Mosaic tithing was under the Mosaic law. What does the Bible say about things under the law?

"And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me." Luke 24:44

So we see the law was a shadow of Jesus Christ, not meant to always be a set of commandments! Keeping Luke 24:44 in mind we see what the firstfruits represented in the following verse:

"But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." 1 Cor 15:23

This text of 1 Cor 15:23 in context, is in the chapter that speaks about the gospel of Jesus and especially the resurrection!

Tithing the way it is taught in many churches today is plain heresy and lying against God's Word!

 

[fredoheaven]

But we know that Mosaic tithing was under the Mosaic law. What does the Bible say about things under the law?

"And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me." Luke 24:44

So we see the law was a shadow of Jesus Christ, not meant to always be a set of commandments! Keeping Luke 24:44 in mind we see what the firstfruits represented in the following verse:

"But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." 1 Cor 15:23

This text of 1 Cor 15:23 in context, is in the chapter that speaks about the gospel of Jesus and especially the resurrection!

Tithing the way it is taught in many churches today is plain heresy and lying against God's Word!

Yap, talking about the Law, as I see it NO tithing is found in the 10 Commandments! You are discussing what Moses taught and why not faith of Abraham? or what the scriptures teaches in its entirety. I think put your topic on Law vs Grace.

Thanks,

 

[Dan_473]

Yap, talking about the Law, as I see it NO tithing is found in the 10 Commandments! You are discussing what Moses taught and why not faith of Abraham? or what the scriptures teaches in its entirety. I think put your topic on Law vs Grace.

Thanks,

yes, no tithing is found in the ten commandments... it's from other parts of the law, imo...

true, abram tithed... though, abraham did lots of things I don't think are a good idea...

I think abram's tithing to melchezidek is a good idea... any other examples of abraham tithing? or does he just do it that once?

 

[Dino246]

any other examples of abraham tithing? or does he just do it that once?

Just the once, and not on his "increase". Only on the spoils of war, only one time.

On a related note, many people like to quote Genesis 28, wherein Jacob promised to give God one tenth of everything, as evidence for tithing today. The problem is that there is no record of Jacob ever fulfilling that vow, and it was made on his own initiative, not on God's command.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

Of all the sermons I've heard on tithing, I don't recall ever hearing about the 3 tithes that were paid in the O.T. by certain Israelites.

What three? Levitical, Festival, and Poor tithe.

If tithing is required, there are 3, not just one.

I was pleasantly surprised to read, in one of my NIV translations, a text note on Lev 27:30 admitting that there were 3 tithes required of certain Israelites in O.T. times.

Our rule for giving is to listen and seek God's direction...

Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. -2 Cor 9:7

[/QUOTETH, Hebrews 7:11-13Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

If we want to be productive and fruitful for our Lord, then we should repent, and follow the Lord. What should we do next?

First...ACCEPT THAT THE HIGH PRIESTHOOD (CHRISTIANS WITH DIRECT ACCESS TO THE HOLIEST OF ALL) DO NOT HAVE INHERITANCE IN THE LAND, and there is absolutely not one example of a High Priest giving a percentage of inheritance in the land in The Bible. If you do not want to be a Christian...then keep giving a percentage and being alienated from the Commonwealth...which includes healing by living according to the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. We are not under the curse if we are not of the realm of death and corruption. If we believe we will die...then your faith has made you die, because trust is directed towards the expectation of death.

YESHUA HAMASHIACH...JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH IS ALIVE, AND WE SHOULD BE TOO.
1 Corinthians 15:52-56Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

The High Priesthood gives a measure of God...not corruption.

Seriously...I say again....
Christians with access to the Holiest of all within the veil own a measure of God, and are stewards of His property while on earth. When the High Priesthood uses the property of God for His work on earth...the high priesthood will be held accountable for how they use that property.
Yes, mercy rejoices against judgment.
2 Corinthians 8:5-12Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

5 And this they did, not as we hoped, but first gave their own selves to the Lord, and unto us by the will of God. 6 Insomuch that we desired Titus, that as he had begun, so he would also finish in you the same grace also. 7 Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also. 8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love. 9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

10 And herein I give my advice: for this is expedient for you, who have begun before, not only to do, but also to be forward a year ago. 11 Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness to will, so there may be a performance also out of that which ye have. 12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

[/QUOTETH, Hebrews 7:11-13Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

If we want to be productive and fruitful for our Lord, then we should repent, and follow the Lord. What should we do next?

First...ACCEPT THAT THE HIGH PRIESTHOOD (CHRISTIANS WITH DIRECT ACCESS TO THE HOLIEST OF ALL) DO NOT HAVE INHERITANCE IN THE LAND, and there is absolutely not one example of a High Priest giving a percentage of inheritance in the land in The Bible. If you do not want to be a Christian...then keep giving a percentage and being alienated from the Commonwealth...which includes healing by living according to the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. We are not under the curse if we are not of the realm of death and corruption. If we believe we will die...then your faith has made you die, because trust is directed towards the expectation of death.

YESHUA HAMASHIACH...JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH IS ALIVE, AND WE SHOULD BE TOO.
1 Corinthians 15:52-56Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

The High Priesthood gives a measure of God...not corruption.

Seriously...I say again....
Christians with access to the Holiest of all within the veil own a measure of God, and are stewards of His property while on earth. When the High Priesthood uses the property of God for His work on earth...the high priesthood will be held accountable for how they use that property.
Yes, mercy rejoices against judgment.
2 Corinthians 8:5-12Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

5 And this they did, not as we hoped, but first gave their own selves to the Lord, and unto us by the will of God. 6 Insomuch that we desired Titus, that as he had begun, so he would also finish in you the same grace also. 7 Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also. 8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love. 9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

10 And herein I give my advice: for this is expedient for you, who have begun before, not only to do, but also to be forward a year ago. 11 Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness to will, so there may be a performance also out of that which ye have. 12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.

How about a 10 words or less(plus or minus a few words) version to summarize whatever-on-earth you're trying to write.

Seriously, I say.

 

[fredoheaven]

yes, no tithing is found in the ten commandments... it's from other parts of the law, imo...

true, abram tithed... though, abraham did lots of things I don't think are a good idea...

I think abram's tithing to melchezidek is a good idea... any other examples of abraham tithing? or does he just do it that once?

Hi

Thank you for your opinion on this matter and "true, abram tithed" as the scriptures says

God bless