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As Christians we are all trying to be Christ like even though we fail miserably. A Christian forum should be a place Christians can get together and enjoy the company of each other and give God praise for what He is doing in our lives. I would run fast and furious if I was a non believe looking for answers and seeing these threads.
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Those who pull the Christ-like card have carte blanche to say anything and call others anything they want. But if you do it, one who disagrees with them, you're not being Christ-like. Such stark hypocrisy, all sorts of venom coming out of people who accuse others of not being Christ-like. In other words, if it's you who call somebody a twit, you're not Christ-like. It's actually just a form of attacking the messenger, when they can't answer with truth, happens all the time when deceivers are called out.
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Holy imagination is used to bring about peace? Please show me that in the bible.
And please, if you're going to attempt to counter my proof then i'd like to see you acknowledge All of my post, not just the parts that you feel are easy to refute. How do you account for the obvious new age connection in his teaching and even some of his wording?
Key points in what he says
-'unlock the power of your imagination' - Please show me contextual scriptural evidence for this concept. I am already quite familiar with the new age aspect of this sort of teaching, though.
-That we have to 'meditate' to 'active the power of Gods word' - Again, show me contextual scriptural evidence for this. And again, i'm familiar with the new age school of this thought.
-'You have to see it on the inside before you can see it on the outside' - I, once more, would like to see contextual scriptural evidence for this. And, as before, i am aware of this method among new age teachings. Though, there, it is referred to as 'visualization'.
I also would like you to point me to the chapter where God tells Abraham to use his imagination.
So that is 4 requests for scripture. If you are not able to provide them then all of your defense of these new age teachings given under the guise of Christianity are invalid as you will have proven yourself to defend something that you have no foundation with which to defend it. Though, given what i've seen of your responses on this site, i expect a snide response and a refusal to provide what is required to maintain any sense of credibility for yourself.
Also on the Wommack table is his connection to Oral Roberts. And since you are quick to defend WoF cult teachers, we can also connect Oral Roberts to Rodney Howard-Browne, who was largely responsible for the blasphemous 'holy laughter' revivals.
[video=youtube;xCeVZ6e2T0E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCeVZ6e2T0E[/video]
And please, if you're going to attempt to counter my proof then i'd like to see you acknowledge All of my post, not just the parts that you feel are easy to refute. How do you account for the obvious new age connection in his teaching and even some of his wording?
Key points in what he says
-'unlock the power of your imagination' - Please show me contextual scriptural evidence for this concept. I am already quite familiar with the new age aspect of this sort of teaching, though.
-That we have to 'meditate' to 'active the power of Gods word' - Again, show me contextual scriptural evidence for this. And again, i'm familiar with the new age school of this thought.
-'You have to see it on the inside before you can see it on the outside' - I, once more, would like to see contextual scriptural evidence for this. And, as before, i am aware of this method among new age teachings. Though, there, it is referred to as 'visualization'.
I also would like you to point me to the chapter where God tells Abraham to use his imagination.
So that is 4 requests for scripture. If you are not able to provide them then all of your defense of these new age teachings given under the guise of Christianity are invalid as you will have proven yourself to defend something that you have no foundation with which to defend it. Though, given what i've seen of your responses on this site, i expect a snide response and a refusal to provide what is required to maintain any sense of credibility for yourself.
Also on the Wommack table is his connection to Oral Roberts. And since you are quick to defend WoF cult teachers, we can also connect Oral Roberts to Rodney Howard-Browne, who was largely responsible for the blasphemous 'holy laughter' revivals.
[video=youtube;xCeVZ6e2T0E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCeVZ6e2T0E[/video]
What he was saying was butchered. Even a moron can see that. Giving anyone your power and your authority is in effect making him what he becomes with it.
Correct, Satan thinks he killed Jesus, because he manipulated the masses and the rulers to create a mockery of justice and got him there, but Jesus went willingly to the cross for love's sake.
Wommack was making the point that evil spirits manifest their power when they appropriate a body in order to wield influence.
Jesus has always been with the Father. He was not the flesh and blood man until He was produced in the womb of Mary by the Holy Spirit's work. The entire gospel message concerning the Son of God is a solid thing that is spoken into existence since before the beginning of time.
All you armchair critics have it in your blood to mow down anyone who dares to be used of God in any real way, and who has more spiritual fruit in their lives than you can shake a stick at.
If a lousy YouTube video can cause you to turn against the brethren so easily, then I should think that you have a problem with pride, thinking you know it all. You have an addiction to disdain, not cocaine. Your It's the sign of the end times as well. You all remind me of:
2 Timothy 4:1-9
And know this: in the last days, times will be hard. [SUP]2 [/SUP]You see, the world will be filled with narcissistic, money-grubbing, pretentious, arrogant, and abusive people. They will rebel against their parents and will be ungrateful, unholy, [SUP]3 [/SUP]uncaring, coldhearted, accusing, without restraint, savage, and haters of anything good. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Expect them to be treacherous, reckless, swollen with self-importance, and given to loving pleasure more than they love God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Even though they may look or act like godly people, they’re not. They deny His power. I tell you: Stay away from the likes of these. [SUP]6 [/SUP]They’re snakes slithering into the houses of vulnerable women, women gaudy with sin, to seduce them. These reptiles can capture them because these women are weak and easily swayed by their desires. [SUP]7 [/SUP]They seem always to be learning, but they never seem to gain the full measure of the truth. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And, just as Jannes and Jambres rose up against Moses,[SUP][a][/SUP] these ungodly people defy the truth. Their minds are corrupt, and their faith is absolutely worthless. [SUP]9 [/SUP]But they won’t get too far because their stupidity will be noticed by everyone, just as it was with Jannes and Jambres.
Correct, Satan thinks he killed Jesus, because he manipulated the masses and the rulers to create a mockery of justice and got him there, but Jesus went willingly to the cross for love's sake.
Wommack was making the point that evil spirits manifest their power when they appropriate a body in order to wield influence.
Jesus has always been with the Father. He was not the flesh and blood man until He was produced in the womb of Mary by the Holy Spirit's work. The entire gospel message concerning the Son of God is a solid thing that is spoken into existence since before the beginning of time.
All you armchair critics have it in your blood to mow down anyone who dares to be used of God in any real way, and who has more spiritual fruit in their lives than you can shake a stick at.
If a lousy YouTube video can cause you to turn against the brethren so easily, then I should think that you have a problem with pride, thinking you know it all. You have an addiction to disdain, not cocaine. Your It's the sign of the end times as well. You all remind me of:
2 Timothy 4:1-9
And know this: in the last days, times will be hard. [SUP]2 [/SUP]You see, the world will be filled with narcissistic, money-grubbing, pretentious, arrogant, and abusive people. They will rebel against their parents and will be ungrateful, unholy, [SUP]3 [/SUP]uncaring, coldhearted, accusing, without restraint, savage, and haters of anything good. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Expect them to be treacherous, reckless, swollen with self-importance, and given to loving pleasure more than they love God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Even though they may look or act like godly people, they’re not. They deny His power. I tell you: Stay away from the likes of these. [SUP]6 [/SUP]They’re snakes slithering into the houses of vulnerable women, women gaudy with sin, to seduce them. These reptiles can capture them because these women are weak and easily swayed by their desires. [SUP]7 [/SUP]They seem always to be learning, but they never seem to gain the full measure of the truth. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And, just as Jannes and Jambres rose up against Moses,[SUP][a][/SUP] these ungodly people defy the truth. Their minds are corrupt, and their faith is absolutely worthless. [SUP]9 [/SUP]But they won’t get too far because their stupidity will be noticed by everyone, just as it was with Jannes and Jambres.
Duh, the place where He went was Hades, but the compartment of Hades where the righteous awaited their Messiah---also referred to in scripture as Abraham's Bosom. The bible still calls Hades hell. It is not the place of judgment, as that particular place is not open for business, yet.
Ephesians 4:9
[But He ascended?] Now what can this, He ascended, mean but that He had previously descended from [the heights of] heaven into [the depths], the lower parts of the earth?
Ephesians 4:9
[But He ascended?] Now what can this, He ascended, mean but that He had previously descended from [the heights of] heaven into [the depths], the lower parts of the earth?
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and again, you refuse to chasten your own people but judge others. this is hypicrocy. If your going to judge one, you better start judging the others, or your judgment is invalid.
It Gives God a bad name when we yell at people who do not agree with us for something, yet when our own people do the same thing (or worse) we do not say a word to them.
It Gives God a bad name when we yell at people who do not agree with us for something, yet when our own people do the same thing (or worse) we do not say a word to them.
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Then bring out the full sermon.
As I see it, no context will redeem his blasphemous statements such as...
At one minute 30 sec into the clip..
"God spoke Jesus into existence through a dozen possibly hundreds of people over a 4000 year period".
And while your at it answer Ugly please, he has asked twice.
As I see it, no context will redeem his blasphemous statements such as...
At one minute 30 sec into the clip..
"God spoke Jesus into existence through a dozen possibly hundreds of people over a 4000 year period".
And while your at it answer Ugly please, he has asked twice.
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Your arrogance is not lady like. A moron can listen to his words, and get what he said, it does not take a doctorates degree to see he said what he said.
And as I said, some of the stuff he said could not be taken out of context. but if it was. show us,
He did not say that, He said Satan killed him and took him to hell" next.
sorry, but no one in their right mind would get what you just said in the words mr womack said. so can you please give us the whole context to show us how he meant to say that?
Again, this is not what he said. Do you have the whole tape to get context. or are you just assuming you know what he said.?
Again, prove your assirtions with his words. not your assumptions. I even said unless you could prove he was taken out of context. I see no proof here, i see someone trying to defend and claiming she knows what he said, even though nothing he said even sounds like what yuo said he meant.
And as I said, some of the stuff he said could not be taken out of context. but if it was. show us,
He did not say that, He said Satan killed him and took him to hell" next.
sorry, but no one in their right mind would get what you just said in the words mr womack said. so can you please give us the whole context to show us how he meant to say that?
Again, this is not what he said. Do you have the whole tape to get context. or are you just assuming you know what he said.?
Again, prove your assirtions with his words. not your assumptions. I even said unless you could prove he was taken out of context. I see no proof here, i see someone trying to defend and claiming she knows what he said, even though nothing he said even sounds like what yuo said he meant.
If the shoe fits...
If only you'd have researched the word of God.
Jesus wasn't nice. He despised puffed up pride among religious folk.
Your judgment is duly noted.
I am, and I pray that you are.
Correct, so why all the disdain and malice at this site against sisters and brothers in Christ? We are to be accepting of those who have yet to plug in to many truths that come with spiritual growth. If you (in general) can't agree on the simple truths of the word, how are any of you to be able to accept the meat?
I have heard only one thing in a few years that he has said that I disagree with, but that doesn't make him a false teacher or a heretic. It makes him a man who loves God and may be wrong in a certain area. I take in the spiritual food that is in accordance with God's word, and I spit out any bones. That should be everyone's attitude.
If only you'd have researched the word of God.
Jesus wasn't nice. He despised puffed up pride among religious folk.
Your judgment is duly noted.
I am, and I pray that you are.
Correct, so why all the disdain and malice at this site against sisters and brothers in Christ? We are to be accepting of those who have yet to plug in to many truths that come with spiritual growth. If you (in general) can't agree on the simple truths of the word, how are any of you to be able to accept the meat?
I have heard only one thing in a few years that he has said that I disagree with, but that doesn't make him a false teacher or a heretic. It makes him a man who loves God and may be wrong in a certain area. I take in the spiritual food that is in accordance with God's word, and I spit out any bones. That should be everyone's attitude.