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ResidentAlien

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You think her healing is of the devil?
I don't know what role the devil had in it, or none at all. All I know is there's a lot about this story we don't know.

Great claims require great substantiation. People like this rely on people being gullible or not requiring much accountability from them. If they were held to account we'd see a whole lot less of this kind of con.

I do know the "Christianity" she's preaching in this video is inspired by Satan or demons.
 

TabinRivCA

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Here's a video of Dodie Osteen's testimony. From the things she says it's clear she's mixed New Age hocus-pocus with her Christianity. At one point (starts around 26:30) she says she visualized pictures of herself when she was younger riding horses and in her wedding dress. She says when things "came against her" she'd remember the pictures.

She also uses Romans 14:7 to say we have the same authority as God to call things into existence from nothing: "(as it is written, 'I have made you a father of many nations' ) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did;" This passage is talking about Yahweh, not humans. A typical example of Word Faith scripture twisting.

At 26:35 she talks about a "contract" she made between herself, her husband and Jesus. Of course Jesus couldn't sign His name so she signed for Him. It was a "long list of things she wanted." This too is little more than positive affirmations put in writing, a very common practice for New Agers and practitioners of magic.

In all fairness she does talk a lot about prayer and scriptures, but as we've seen her understanding of scripture seem influenced by her New Thought and New Age beliefs. Did James say we should say positive affirmations or do creative visualization? Not hardly: "And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up."

All we have to go on is John and Dodie Osteen's word. This, coupled with the fact she's clearly a false teacher, makes it plain to me she's not to be believed.

"Jesus is still on the throne and is still a prayer answering God' she says. Again, healed of stage 4 cancer having a tumor the size of an orange on her liver, by taking the Word as her truth. She is giving hope to countless people with infirmities esp that Drs give no hope to.
I see her as a overcomer, and she still quotes healing verses every day and sits in the front row of church.
You see her as a false teacher using New Age doctrines.
All faith is believing what God has promised.
All these people you condemn are doing what Jesus said, 'You will be doing even greater works than me". Do you call these people heretics who 'lay hands on the sick and they recovered'?
I don't have to defend these blessed people so I will end this discussion here. Their results speak for themselves and btw if you are against them, then you are against the Scriptures they stand on.
 
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Hyper grace preacher = Wommack
He is not a hyper grace preacher. Probably nothing said or shown will change your mind since you made such a dogmatic statement :rolleyes:

Being grace centric rather than sin centric does not mean someone is a proponent of hyper grace.

There are enough untrue statements being made here by cessationists without adding more.
 
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Here is an excerpt from Womack regarding what he teaches about sin. This is not hyper-grace. I highlighted a portion in red that many Christians need to comprehend and stop thinking they need to confess their inability to be sinless constantly. Please note that Womack does not gloss over sin either, but shows from scripture that the focus should be on Christ and not our sin.

Redemption
I’m going to begin this by dropping a bomb: Sin is no longer an issue with God; we are redeemed! With that statement, you are either rejoicing, shocked, or confused. That is one radical statement, but one I believe I can back up by the Word of God.
The message most people hear says that sin breaks your relationship or fellowship with God. The strictest message says that you lose your salvation (“backslide”) every time you sin, until it’s confessed. Others believe your eternal salvation is still secure, but you lose fellowship, can’t get your prayers answered, or can’t be used of God if you sin. That’s not good news, since all of us sin (Rom. 3:23 and 1 John 1:8).
Christians usually cope by trying to keep every sin confessed. Let me just put this bluntly: That’s impossible! The Bible says that whatever is not of faith is sin (Rom. 14:23). Do we always walk in faith? James 4:17 reveals that sin isn’t only doing things that are wrong, but it’s not doing what we know is right. Would any claim they are loving God and others as they know they should?
By these definitions, we all sin through the weakness of our flesh. It’s impossible to keep every sin confessed. Even if it were possible, that puts the burden of salvation on our backs. There wouldn’t be any peace or rest in our relationship with the Lord if that’s the way it worked (Rom. 5:1).
Most people, including Christians, see the forgiveness of sins as something that God can do, and continues to do, but not as something He has completed. From that comes the false concept that we must constantly confess our sins, which makes and keeps us sin conscious.
The New Testament presents the forgiveness of sins as something that is already accomplished and that the effect of this redemption is that we are not even to be conscious of sin (Heb. 10:1-2).
Ask yourself, what produced the forgiveness of sins and when did that happen? Jesus was the Lamb of God that took away the sins of the world (John 1:29). It was through the shedding of Jesus’ blood that you received redemption, which is the forgiveness of your sins (Eph. 1:7 and Col. 1:14).`
When did Jesus die and shed His blood for our sins? About 2,000 years ago. He will never die again (Rom. 6:9-10). He dealt with the sins of the whole human race once, for all time (Heb. 9:25-28 and 10:10-14). Jesus’ sacrifice for our sins is already an accomplished work.
We don’t have to ask Jesus to forgive our sins; He’s already done it. Paul didn’t tell the Philippian jailor to ask Jesus to forgive him; Paul told him to believe on what Jesus had already done and he would be saved (Acts 16:31). We confess the Lord Jesus, not our sins, to receive this gift of salvation (Rom. 10:9).

Does that mean everyone in the whole world is saved? Certainly not. We have to receive forgiveness by faith (Acts 26:18). The Lord has already forgiven everyone’s sins (1 John 2:2). That’s grace. But we have to put faith in what God has already accomplished by grace to be saved (Eph. 2:8).
Therefore, it’s not a person’s many sins that sends them to hell; sin has already been paid for and forgiven. It’s the singular sin of not believing on Jesus that sends a person to hell. It’s their failure to accept what Jesus did for them that puts them into that place of eternal torment.
John 16:8-9 says,
“And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me.”
The singular sin the Holy Spirit reproves us of is the sin of not believing on Jesus. That’s it. That’s not to say that the Holy Spirit will not show us that things we do are wrong. But He uses them to illustrate that we don’t believe on Jesus. The Holy Spirit isn’t nailing us every time we sin; He loves us back into faith and trust in Jesus. That’s the whole issue with God.
What difference does it make in our lives if we accept forgiveness as something that has already been accomplished or not? There is a huge difference! It gives us security and peace, knowing that God isn’t mad at us and won’t be mad at us. Our sins are already forgiven—and not just the past sins we committed before we were born again. All of our sins—past, present, and even future ones—are already forgiven.
Someone will say, “How can God forgive our sins before we commit them?” Well, you better pray that He can do that, because Jesus only died for our sins once; 2,000 years ago; before you committed any sin. If He can’t forgive sins before you commit them, then you can’t be saved.
It says in Hebrews 10:10-12 and 14,
“By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified” (emphasis mine).
 

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He is not a hyper grace preacher. Probably nothing said or shown will change your mind since you made such a dogmatic statement :rolleyes:

Being grace centric rather than sin centric does not mean someone is a proponent of hyper grace.

There are enough untrue statements being made here by cessationists without adding more.
Perhaps Wommack has changed since 2015, but what sparked CCs rule about hyper grace preaching was Wommack and Prince.
I didn't make the rules. Perhaps they took down the old threads, otherwise you can go back and read them yourself.
 
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Perhaps Wommack has changed since 2015, but what sparked CCs rule about hyper grace preaching was Wommack and Prince.
I didn't make the rules. Perhaps they took down the old threads, otherwise you can go back and read them yourself.
Did you read my post # 448? If you do read it and still think it is hyper-grace, I would understand you have a loose idea of hyper-grace. I have not read anything from Womack from 2015 so I don't know if he has changed or not, but basing your understanding on grace with scripture as my post 448 shows, certainly does not indicate a loose understanding of the grace of God.

I think some people label certain teachers as hyper-grace without actually reading what they have to say concerning grace. I'm not saying you are doing that, but that was your contribution to this thread.
 

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but basing your understanding on grace with scripture as my post 448 shows,
I think some people label certain teachers as hyper-grace without actually reading what they have to say concerning grace.
Based upon your claimed understanding of my position on grace, I'd say you fall into your last category mentioned above.
 
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Based upon your claimed understanding of my position on grace, I'd say you fall into your last category mentioned above.
You did not deal with my actual post but seem to prefer mud-slinging and false accusations. Thanks for letting me know. I shall take it that is your preferred method of communicating and avoid you in the future.

I have no idea of your so called position on grace, but as for me, I prefer the biblical one. Calling someone you really have no clue about, as you admitted, a false teacher, speaks to your admission that you are quick to judge (as you did with me also) and slow to check the facts.
 

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You did not deal with my actual post but seem to prefer mud-slinging and false accusations. Thanks for letting me know. I shall take it that is your preferred method of communicating and avoid you in the future.

I have no idea of your so called position on grace, but as for me, I prefer the biblical one. Calling someone you really have no clue about, as you admitted, a false teacher, speaks to your admission that you are quick to judge (as you did with me also) and slow to check the facts.
And your post #451 wasn’t assumptive and judgmental?